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Post by potterburt on Nov 4, 2021 7:24:41 GMT
I still do what?? The irony? 😂 Wtf you on about ere Bayern? Or just trying get your post count up some more? The obsession. Get a grip…..get a life….. Seriously. Like what the actual F are you on about? You need help!!
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Post by Sfance on Nov 4, 2021 7:25:19 GMT
You have to wonder whether other boards have their Bayerns or whether he’s unique - a plague sent to add to all of the rest of Stoke’s woes.
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Post by christhepotter on Nov 4, 2021 7:28:18 GMT
Abysmal? He was many things, he wasn’t abysmal. I think Souttar had more confidence with him nearby. He should never be in the middle of a back 3 for me at the cost of Souttar but I understand why he’s done it, and I’d take him over Chester any day Yes abysmal. The first half was as bad as anything from a CB this season from him. Wasting your time , the 3 pts blinds people to what actually went on , first half was really poor , improved second half
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Post by Sfance on Nov 4, 2021 7:32:38 GMT
Bayern reminds me of one of my 15 month old grandson’s battery-driven toys - the kind where you get anywhere near it and it starts to yammer.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 4, 2021 8:04:39 GMT
So bad that we kept a clean sheet! Wasn't that more to do with how bad Blackpool were? Did Bursik have to make a save? Yet they had plenty of opportunity to shoot - the defence didn't keep them out but agree Bahht was much better second half when he moved left away from the role where he was the linchpin of the passes which is what Souttar usually does so well. Agree, the back 3 looked more comfortable with the second half set up, but still Batth adds so much more steel to the team. When he made a mistake in the first half he made sure he got it right in the end, even leaving their striker flat on the floor of the pitch!
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 4, 2021 8:35:13 GMT
Wasn't that more to do with how bad Blackpool were? Did Bursik have to make a save? Yet they had plenty of opportunity to shoot - the defence didn't keep them out but agree Bahht was much better second half when he moved left away from the role where he was the linchpin of the passes which is what Souttar usually does so well. Agree, the back 3 looked more comfortable with the second half set up, but still Batth adds so much more steel to the team. When he made a mistake in the first half he made sure he got it right in the end, even leaving their striker flat on the floor of the pitch! Isn't that half the problem though? He makes mistakes and yes he then tries to rectify them and last night he was lucky that he did. I would say though that as often as he rectifies them he gives away a free kick in a dangerous place or a penalty which another referee would have given against him last night. If he had the tone on this thread would be totally different - get lost, should never wear the shirt again. I would be interested in the statistics for how often a foul is committed immediately from a miscontrol or mistake. I think it would be quite high which means that a player who can't control the ball and also makes mistakes can be a bit of a liability. Look at Allen's fouls for example and most of them come after he fails to control a pass. Batth in the middle of three didn't work. My guess is that player receives more passes than any other on the pitch. Souttar recycles the ball really well, it's one of his strengths. It won't be many matches before the opposition work out that if they close him down quickly Batth will boot it out, long to no team mate or simply give the ball away. He was a bit of a surprise for Blackpool who would have been expecting Souttar there. I have nothing against Batth on the left where we seem to have an issue but Souttar has to be in the middle.
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 4, 2021 8:43:50 GMT
Wasn't that more to do with how bad Blackpool were? Did Bursik have to make a save? Yet they had plenty of opportunity to shoot - the defence didn't keep them out but agree Bahht was much better second half when he moved left away from the role where he was the linchpin of the passes which is what Souttar usually does so well. They were a better side than Cardiff and they got 3 against us. Cardiff had better strikers though. I rate Kieffer Moore. They wouldn't have missed the chances Blackpool had. Blackpool had clear sight on goal two or three times at least and never worked Bursik. It was a nice match for Bursik to regain confidence after making a mistake and conceding 3.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 4, 2021 9:39:43 GMT
Agree, the back 3 looked more comfortable with the second half set up, but still Batth adds so much more steel to the team. When he made a mistake in the first half he made sure he got it right in the end, even leaving their striker flat on the floor of the pitch! Isn't that half the problem though? He makes mistakes and yes he then tries to rectify them and last night he was lucky that he did. I would say though that as often as he rectifies them he gives away a free kick in a dangerous place or a penalty which another referee would have given against him last night. If he had the tone on this thread would be totally different - get lost, should never wear the shirt again. I would be interested in the statistics for how often a foul is committed immediately from a miscontrol or mistake. I think it would be quite high which means that a player who can't control the ball and also makes mistakes can be a bit of a liability. Look at Allen's fouls for example and most of them come after he fails to control a pass. Batth in the middle of three didn't work. My guess is that player receives more passes than any other on the pitch. Souttar recycles the ball really well, it's one of his strengths. It won't be many matches before the opposition work out that if they close him down quickly Batth will boot it out, long to no team mate or simply give the ball away. He was a bit of a surprise for Blackpool who would have been expecting Souttar there. I have nothing against Batth on the left where we seem to have an issue but Souttar has to be in the middle. I'm not saying Batth is better than Souttar, but we still need him in the team in my opinion. Who was our stand out player in our great escape when MON came to the club? In my opinion, Batth.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Nov 4, 2021 10:19:45 GMT
This bayern is a total prick, Batth won every header and hardly missed a tackle Completely unnecessary to insult someone directly for their opinion about football on a forum about football. I am surprised that none of the admins have been onto this. Although in fairness Bayern has taken it well, and Batth did have an awful first half, decent second half when he reverted to type as they hit it long to him all half for some strange reason.
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 4, 2021 10:37:20 GMT
This bayern is a total prick, Batth won every header and hardly missed a tackle Completely unnecessary to insult someone directly for their opinion about football on a forum about football. I am surprised that none of the admins have been onto this. Although in fairness Bayern has taken it well, and Batth did have an awful first half, decent second half when he reverted to type as they hit it long to him all half for some strange reason. I get fed up of people whether it be football fans or politicians, thinking that their opinion is correct and anyone who disagrees with them is an idiot. There would be no point of a forum like this or a parliament if we all held the same view. The idea of discussion is to listen to what other people think and try to convince them you are right by putting forward evidence rather than trying to bully them. Sometimes you might even find they have a valid point if you listen to them.
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 4, 2021 10:45:25 GMT
Having just watched the highlights I'm surprised no one mentioned the clearance in the first half which another ref could well have sent Batth off for and given a penalty. He definitely slid in with no control taking the player out after clearing the ball. I thought it was a lot worse than the one Smith got sent off for. Not saying I like the rule-in my opinion if you get the ball first it"s not a free kick but this out of control nonsense is interpreted differently by different referees.
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Post by lee1982 on Nov 4, 2021 11:10:11 GMT
This bayern is a total prick, Batth won every header and hardly missed a tackle Completely unnecessary to insult someone directly for their opinion about football on a forum about football. I am surprised that none of the admins have been onto this. Although in fairness Bayern has taken it well, and Batth did have an awful first half, decent second half when he reverted to type as they hit it long to him all half for some strange reason. I think he’s spot on with his views on Bayern 😂
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 11:14:54 GMT
Having just watched the highlights I'm surprised no one mentioned the clearance in the first half which another ref could well have sent Batth off for and given a penalty. He definitely slid in with no control taking the player out after clearing the ball. I thought it was a lot worse than the one Smith got sent off for. Not saying I like the rule-in my opinion if you get the ball first it"s not a free kick but this out of control nonsense is interpreted differently by different referees. Don't agree. Though was a decent last ditch challenge. Was a strong challenge but good one. I think the odd ref may have seen in differently though, yes. I guess in the circumstances he'd have to be 100% certain which would have been a huge call with one look at it
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Post by a on Nov 4, 2021 11:29:17 GMT
This bayern is a total prick, Batth won every header and hardly missed a tackle Completely unnecessary to insult someone directly for their opinion about football on a forum about football. I am surprised that none of the admins have been onto this. Although in fairness Bayern has taken it well, and Batth did have an awful first half, decent second half when he reverted to type as they hit it long to him all half for some strange reason. Was it @christhepotter calling someone a cunt last night? Do Admin actually police the board or just delete offensive posts?
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Nov 4, 2021 11:46:02 GMT
Completely unnecessary to insult someone directly for their opinion about football on a forum about football. I am surprised that none of the admins have been onto this. Although in fairness Bayern has taken it well, and Batth did have an awful first half, decent second half when he reverted to type as they hit it long to him all half for some strange reason. Was it @christhepotter calling someone a cunt last night? Do Admin actually police the board or just delete offensive posts? Didn't see that one, but it's certainly a pathetic way to act. Admins are obviously happy to just let it go on regardless. People being openly abusive should be banned.
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Post by a on Nov 4, 2021 11:48:50 GMT
Was it @christhepotter calling someone a cunt last night? Do Admin actually police the board or just delete offensive posts? Didn't see that one, but it's certainly a pathetic way to act. Admins are obviously happy to just let it go on regardless. People being openly abusive should be banned. Should but aren’t. Therefore given the green light to go around calling people cunts and the like, even though it goes against their own board Rules. Admin forgive me if you are in the process of banning, if you’ve just allowed it to go then that is a different matter.
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Post by hyaduck on Nov 4, 2021 12:13:33 GMT
Oh dear? He was lucky not to have been directly at fault for 3 goals. He was all over the shop. The pass to let them in being the best of the night just ahead of the weak as shit fall. He got very lucky. But this is the oatcake so if doesn’t cost a goal it doesn’t matter despite it abysmal. Very strange. Most on here have probably not played much football so they’re quite in content with a shit performance as long as we grind out results. Either that or they grass you up and try and get you banned for having an opinion.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 4, 2021 12:32:18 GMT
Oh dear? He was lucky not to have been directly at fault for 3 goals. He was all over the shop. The pass to let them in being the best of the night just ahead of the weak as shit fall. He got very lucky. But this is the oatcake so if doesn’t cost a goal it doesn’t matter despite it abysmal. Very strange. Most on here have probably not played much football so they’re quite in content with a shit performance as long as we grind out results. Either that or they grass you up and try and get you banned for having an opinion. Let's see your footballing credentials then.........
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 4, 2021 13:15:33 GMT
Having just watched the highlights I'm surprised no one mentioned the clearance in the first half which another ref could well have sent Batth off for and given a penalty. He definitely slid in with no control taking the player out after clearing the ball. I thought it was a lot worse than the one Smith got sent off for. Not saying I like the rule-in my opinion if you get the ball first it"s not a free kick but this out of control nonsense is interpreted differently by different referees. Don't agree. Though was a decent last ditch challenge. Was a strong challenge but good one. I think the odd ref may have seen in differently though, yes. I guess in the circumstances he'd have to be 100% certain which would have been a huge call with one look at it I agree it was a decent last minute challenge but he definitely took out and hurt the player afterwards. I think VAR would definitely decide that it was with unnecessary force and without due care. That wasn't my point though. He gave a referee a decision to make and he was put in that position through no fault of team mates or good opposition play but by his own poor pass. That's what I mean by he creates as many problems as he solves.
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Post by kjpt140v on Nov 4, 2021 13:24:30 GMT
Seems this thread has gone way off subject.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 13:32:28 GMT
Don't agree. Though was a decent last ditch challenge. Was a strong challenge but good one. I think the odd ref may have seen in differently though, yes. I guess in the circumstances he'd have to be 100% certain which would have been a huge call with one look at it I agree it was a decent last minute challenge but he definitely took out and hurt the player afterwards. I think VAR would definitely decide that it was with unnecessary force and without due care. That wasn't my point though. He gave a referee a decision to make and he was put in that position through no fault of team mates or good opposition play but by his own poor pass. That's what I mean by he creates as many problems as he solves. I think a big problem at the minute is many refs are seeing things very differently under the guidelines. A fine line between a good strong tackle and un- necessary force. Am glad they changed the last man penalty rule as was ruining games. It all comes down to the interpretation of the individual of course, we see it differently as do pundits and refs etc . Too many red cards in the game for me, be nice to see a bit more leniency.
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 4, 2021 13:48:40 GMT
I agree it was a decent last minute challenge but he definitely took out and hurt the player afterwards. I think VAR would definitely decide that it was with unnecessary force and without due care. That wasn't my point though. He gave a referee a decision to make and he was put in that position through no fault of team mates or good opposition play but by his own poor pass. That's what I mean by he creates as many problems as he solves. I think a big problem at the minute is many refs are seeing things very differently under the guidelines. A fine line between a good strong tackle and un- necessary force. Am glad they changed the last man penalty rule as was ruining games. It all comes down to the interpretation of the individual of course, we see it differently as do pundits and refs etc . Too many red cards in the game for me, be nice to see a bit more leniency. As previously suggested, a system to replace cards could be to have players carry different sized animals depending on the offence. Snidey nudge? They have to carry a chicken for the remainder of the game. Mouth off at the ref? It’s a ferret. Full on clatter somebody, you’re holding a pig for the rest of the game my friend. It’s a pretty fool-proof system, I can’t think of any negatives with it, and it would liven games up whilst ensuring it’s always 11v11.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 14:56:10 GMT
I think a big problem at the minute is many refs are seeing things very differently under the guidelines. A fine line between a good strong tackle and un- necessary force. Am glad they changed the last man penalty rule as was ruining games. It all comes down to the interpretation of the individual of course, we see it differently as do pundits and refs etc . Too many red cards in the game for me, be nice to see a bit more leniency. As previously suggested, a system to replace cards could be to have players carry different sized animals depending on the offence. Snidey nudge? They have to carry a chicken for the remainder of the game. Mouth off at the ref? It’s a ferret. Full on clatter somebody, you’re holding a pig for the rest of the game my friend. It’s a pretty fool-proof system, I can’t think of any negatives with it, and it would liven games up whilst ensuring it’s always 11v11. Certainly a plan. Perhaps a Tree Loris for simulation. Am liking it.
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Post by miltonstokienew on Nov 5, 2021 23:59:05 GMT
Batth was abysmal tonight. Much worse than Chester has played all season but he got away with it. Toxic rat
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 6, 2021 10:13:06 GMT
Batth was abysmal tonight. Much worse than Chester has played all season but he got away with it. Played well second half when he just had to head it and clear it…. This is what we've been missing, often we're fannying around trying to play it from the back when it just needs clearing. Batth is very good at that.
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Post by jeycov on Nov 6, 2021 10:17:34 GMT
Played well second half when he just had to head it and clear it…. This is what we've been missing, often we're fannying around trying to play it from the back when it just needs clearing. Batth is very good at that. He takes responsibility, of course he has his limitations(that's why he's with a Championship club) At this moment when the defence has been looking shaky and there is no one available in midfield / further up the pitch, to take the ball away from danger then he is effective
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 11:27:04 GMT
Completely unnecessary to insult someone directly for their opinion about football on a forum about football. I am surprised that none of the admins have been onto this. Although in fairness Bayern has taken it well, and Batth did have an awful first half, decent second half when he reverted to type as they hit it long to him all half for some strange reason. Was it @christhepotter calling someone a cunt last night? Do Admin actually police the board or just delete offensive posts? . Can"t say have ever noticed chispotter but agree, no need for the Bayern insults. Don't agree with most of his stuff but his opinion. As far as I know has never taken to name calling.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 6, 2021 11:47:51 GMT
Was it @christhepotter calling someone a cunt last night? Do Admin actually police the board or just delete offensive posts? . Can"t say have ever noticed chispotter but agree, no need for the Bayern insults. Don't agree with most of his stuff but his opinion. As far as I know has never taken to name calling. He didn’t call me a cunt tbf 😂
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Post by a on Nov 6, 2021 11:51:54 GMT
. Can"t say have ever noticed chispotter but agree, no need for the Bayern insults. Don't agree with most of his stuff but his opinion. As far as I know has never taken to name calling. He didn’t call me a cunt tbf 😂 No he called someone else a cunt. Ridiculous thing to do.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 6, 2021 11:54:40 GMT
Played well second half when he just had to head it and clear it…. This is what we've been missing, often we're fannying around trying to play it from the back when it just needs clearing. Batth is very good at that. He does change the dynamics though, we play through the lines with the other centre halves (admittedly not always successfully), it was noticeable when Batth got the ball first half against Blackpool they didn’t bother pressing him they wanted him to pass the ball out……
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