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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:00:31 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Oct 30, 2021 18:00:31 GMT
Joe’s been the problem since he signed Horseshit....... He has really though hasn't he🤔
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:00:54 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Oct 30, 2021 18:00:54 GMT
Joe’s been the problem since he signed Horseshit....... He has really though hasn't he🤔
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2021 18:01:02 GMT
Joe’s been the problem since he signed Horseshit....... It’s just coincidence then that since he signed our midfield has been a cesspit.
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:02:52 GMT
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Post by onionman on Oct 30, 2021 18:02:52 GMT
Anybody got any idea whether he’s any good as a chicken farmer?
I’ve heard he’s not very good at collecting the eggs, is inconsistent when it comes to feeding them, and can’t be relied upon to shut the door, so they keep escaping from their shed.
Someone will be along now to claim I know nothing about chicken farming because Joe is a class act.
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:04:38 GMT
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 30, 2021 18:04:38 GMT
It’s just coincidence then that since he signed our midfield has been a cesspit. Stop trying to divert attention from the fact O'Neil has delivered nothing but mediocrity despite having been given the benefit of the doubt for 2 seasons - its not on Joe
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:06:46 GMT
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Post by potterburt on Oct 30, 2021 18:06:46 GMT
I’ve wondered if the reason MoN didn’t go looking hard at DMs or overhauling out ever struggling central midfield is because we’ve always been strong armed by Joe’s giant contract. No other club would ever be putting down any transfer fee cash to get him and his next club next year will be either a charity gig from low championship or a newly promoted/top half League 1 who’ll dress it as gaining a quality pro.
Come the summer he is gone, Clucas will hopefully move on or be relegated to back up of back up and the fickle fans having influenced an unjustified and early exit of MoN so that we can see who he brings in and also with an open purse relieved from FFP.
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Post by jzime on Oct 30, 2021 18:07:41 GMT
Joe’s been the problem since he signed Horseshit....... Signed for a club that finished 9th, 9th and 9th. Played 36 league games in the season we finished 12th. Played 36 league games in the season we got relegated. Played every single league games in the season we finished 16th in the Championship. Played 35 league games in the season we finished 15th in the Championship. Only played 18 league games due to injury last season, and we miraculously had a decent run in October and November. But fell apart after December, when Campbell got injured and Allen returned from injury. Is the club captain this season and our playoff race has spontaneously imploded in October. He isn't the singular or definitive problem at the club. But he is not, has never ben, and never will be, the solution.
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:08:29 GMT
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 30, 2021 18:08:29 GMT
I’ve wondered if the reason MoN didn’t go looking hard at DMs or overhauling out ever struggling central midfield is because we’ve always been strong armed by Joe’s giant contract. No other club would ever be putting down any transfer fee cash to get him and his next club next year will be either a charity gig from low championship or a newly promoted/top half League 1 who’ll dress it as gaining a quality pro. Come the summer he is gone, Clucas will hopefully move on or be relegated to back up of back up and the fickle fans having influenced an unjustified and early exit of MoN so that we can see who he brings in and also with an open purse relieved from FFP. Fickle my arse
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:10:03 GMT
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Post by potterburt on Oct 30, 2021 18:10:03 GMT
It’s just coincidence then that since he signed our midfield has been a cesspit. Stop trying to divert attention from the fact O'Neil has delivered nothing but mediocrity despite having been given the benefit of the doubt for 2 seasons - its not on Joe It’s not diverting when that just bollox We were less than even mediocre before MoN took over and he’s got us into the playoff chat without spending anything. Allen has been with us through 5 different managers and a very quick decline from mid table Orem to almost relegated to League 1. Hang on - are you just playing Halloween tricks here, you can’t be real?!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 18:10:59 GMT
How anyone can defend this bloke is beyond me. A curse upon this club. I've defended him a lot in the past, but my patience is wearing a bit thin with him lately. He was utter dogshit today.
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:11:23 GMT
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Post by potterburt on Oct 30, 2021 18:11:23 GMT
I’ve wondered if the reason MoN didn’t go looking hard at DMs or overhauling out ever struggling central midfield is because we’ve always been strong armed by Joe’s giant contract. No other club would ever be putting down any transfer fee cash to get him and his next club next year will be either a charity gig from low championship or a newly promoted/top half League 1 who’ll dress it as gaining a quality pro. Come the summer he is gone, Clucas will hopefully move on or be relegated to back up of back up and the fickle fans having influenced an unjustified and early exit of MoN so that we can see who he brings in and also with an open purse relieved from FFP. Fickle my arse Ahaa. So you’re the Halloween troll who’s crept up from under the bridge 👏🏼 Enjoy!
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Post by houstonsteve on Oct 30, 2021 18:12:09 GMT
I’ve wondered if the reason MoN didn’t go looking hard at DMs or overhauling out ever struggling central midfield is because we’ve always been strong armed by Joe’s giant contract. No other club would ever be putting down any transfer fee cash to get him and his next club next year will be either a charity gig from low championship or a newly promoted/top half League 1 who’ll dress it as gaining a quality pro. Come the summer he is gone, Clucas will hopefully move on or be relegated to back up of back up and the fickle fans having influenced an unjustified and early exit of MoN so that we can see who he brings in and also with an open purse relieved from FFP. MON is on record saying his view of modern football doesn't need a DM. I would love to know the back story on Clucas. Doing everything to get rid of him. No takers. Then re-sign him?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 30, 2021 18:12:21 GMT
The player I associate most with our rapid decline.
I fucking can’t stand him, my least favourite Stoke player of all time.
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Post by redwhite on Oct 30, 2021 18:14:36 GMT
He has been consistently terrible since signing for us.
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:14:44 GMT
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 30, 2021 18:14:44 GMT
Ahaa. So you’re the Halloween troll who’s crept up from under the bridge 👏🏼 Enjoy! Ah so you want to cancel me - the last refuge .....
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:16:10 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2021 18:16:10 GMT
It’s just coincidence then that since he signed our midfield has been a cesspit. Stop trying to divert attention from the fact O'Neil has delivered nothing but mediocrity despite having been given the benefit of the doubt for 2 seasons - its not on Joe Ah yeah I love diverting things away from MoN 😂 He’s just another sap that’s bought into this myth around Joe Allen being decent. And then he made him captain. Why anyone would think this shirker should be captain is beyond me.
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:16:25 GMT
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Post by potterburt on Oct 30, 2021 18:16:25 GMT
I’ve wondered if the reason MoN didn’t go looking hard at DMs or overhauling out ever struggling central midfield is because we’ve always been strong armed by Joe’s giant contract. No other club would ever be putting down any transfer fee cash to get him and his next club next year will be either a charity gig from low championship or a newly promoted/top half League 1 who’ll dress it as gaining a quality pro. Come the summer he is gone, Clucas will hopefully move on or be relegated to back up of back up and the fickle fans having influenced an unjustified and early exit of MoN so that we can see who he brings in and also with an open purse relieved from FFP. MON is on record saying his view of modern football doesn't need a DM. I would love to know the back story on Clucas. Doing everything to get rid of him. No takers. Then re-sign him? Well we can’t say he isn’t wrong on the no DM front but we do need to be aware that he’s never had the chance to fully shape the central midfield due to Allen. I swear he has some sorta, ‘has to play if fit’ agreement/arrangement in place. From our transfer window it seemed he set up to start that overhaul but the bids/movements didn’t happen and so it was easier to resign Clucas on cheap to focus on bringing in other areas.
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Post by potterburt on Oct 30, 2021 18:17:37 GMT
Ahaa. So you’re the Halloween troll who’s crept up from under the bridge 👏🏼 Enjoy! Ah so you want to cancel me - the last refuge ..... What the fickle are you on about?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 30, 2021 18:22:11 GMT
MON is on record saying his view of modern football doesn't need a DM. I would love to know the back story on Clucas. Doing everything to get rid of him. No takers. Then re-sign him? Well we can’t say he isn’t wrong on the no DM front but we do need to be aware that he’s never had the chance to fully shape the central midfield due to Allen. I swear he has some sorta, ‘has to play if fit’ agreement/arrangement in place. From our transfer window it seemed he set up to start that overhaul but the bids/movements didn’t happen and so it was easier to resign Clucas on cheap to focus on bringing in other areas. He’s been dropped a couple of times. Now where near enough but those arrangements are exceptionally rare and only exist for absolute megastars.
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:28:42 GMT
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Post by potterburt on Oct 30, 2021 18:28:42 GMT
Well we can’t say he isn’t wrong on the no DM front but we do need to be aware that he’s never had the chance to fully shape the central midfield due to Allen. I swear he has some sorta, ‘has to play if fit’ agreement/arrangement in place. From our transfer window it seemed he set up to start that overhaul but the bids/movements didn’t happen and so it was easier to resign Clucas on cheap to focus on bringing in other areas. He’s been dropped a couple of times. Now where near enough but those arrangements are exceptionally rare and only exist for absolute megastars. I dunno if we know really where or how those arrangements are set within footballing contracts. I can only remember in a small handful of instances where he’s been fully fit and dropped. When he signed and the person who signed him - I wouldn’t blink an eye if it was on the basis of ‘megastar’ anyways. He would have signed on a £50-60k a week basis, that may have dropped some now but that’s a lot of financial clout against one player, especially considering compared to a Jordan Thompson who is likely on £10-15k
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 30, 2021 18:36:18 GMT
He’s been dropped a couple of times. Now where near enough but those arrangements are exceptionally rare and only exist for absolute megastars. I dunno if we know really where or how those arrangements are set within footballing contracts. I can only remember in a small handful of instances where he’s been fully fit and dropped. When he signed and the person who signed him - I wouldn’t blink an eye if it was on the basis of ‘megastar’ anyways. He would have signed on a £50-60k a week basis, that may have dropped some now but that’s a lot of financial clout against one player, especially considering compared to a Jordan Thompson who is likely on £10-15k I don’t think for a second Hughes is the kind of bloke for all his faults to accede to that kind of request and I don’t think Allen for all his is the kind of bloke to demand it. I’m sure he’s on a big wage but if he had that kind of clause Jones wouldn’t have been able to drop him for that game or two that he did, rare though it was.
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Post by songthrush01 on Oct 30, 2021 18:40:13 GMT
I'm sure he's a nice chap, and every manager he's worked with always says he's a decent professional who works hard. But the need to fit him into the squad has made us totally unbalanced. Not physical enough to be a proper defensive midfielder, doesn't have a positional-discipline to be a box-to-box player, isn't technical enough to be a creative influence on games. So he plays every week and the rest of the team has to try (and fail) to work around him. He's genuinely been one of our worst ever signings, sorry but it's true. Not on the level of Imbula or Wimmer bad. But, for £12m, he joined a club who finished 9th three years in a row and has has been a mainstay in a side that has only got worse and worse. I'm not trying to suggest that it's entirely and exclusively his fault we've got worse. But even if you like him you have to accept that he certainly hasn't improved us, and clubs like Stoke City can't afford to spend over £10m on players who don't improve the squad. It's absolutely impossible to justify the contract he received after we got relegated, too. All the troubles we've had to comply with FFP while we've got a player on the books earning PL wages who (like him or not) simply hasn't delivered PL-level performances. If we was as 'class' as the people who love him think he is, how come no PL clubs have tried to sign him over the last four seasons? The simple answer is that he is not worth the money he earns. spot on.
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:41:45 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 30, 2021 18:41:45 GMT
How many constantly slagged off whelan probably our best ever pound for pound signing. Allen is class . Too many who don’t understand the game to see it To get to the supposed next level yes he needed to be upgraded. He was no Nzonzi. Bit look where we are now. We should have had 5 players lined up as replacements that could handle this league minimum, all on loan at age 18 or so. This league is shit and our supposed 'next gen' of prem players look absolutely woeful.
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 18:46:18 GMT
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Post by tejstokie on Oct 30, 2021 18:46:18 GMT
I'm sure he's a nice chap, and every manager he's worked with always says he's a decent professional who works hard. But the need to fit him into the squad has made us totally unbalanced. Not physical enough to be a proper defensive midfielder, doesn't have a positional-discipline to be a box-to-box player, isn't technical enough to be a creative influence on games. So he plays every week and the rest of the team has to try (and fail) to work around him. He's genuinely been one of our worst ever signings, sorry but it's true. Not on the level of Imbula or Wimmer bad. But, for £12m, he joined a club who finished 9th three years in a row and has has been a mainstay in a side that has only got worse and worse. I'm not trying to suggest that it's entirely and exclusively his fault we've got worse. But even if you like him you have to accept that he certainly hasn't improved us, and clubs like Stoke City can't afford to spend over £10m on players who don't improve the squad. It's absolutely impossible to justify the contract he received after we got relegated, too. All the troubles we've had to comply with FFP while we've got a player on the books earning PL wages who (like him or not) simply hasn't delivered PL-level performances. If we was as 'class' as the people who love him think he is, how come no PL clubs have tried to sign him over the last four seasons? The simple answer is that he is not worth the money he earns. spot on. People always say Tottenham shags us with player signings, I'd present this evidence to the court. Liverpool did us for a decade with Allen. He still is overpaid, underperforming and lynchpin to a demise.
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Post by werrington on Oct 30, 2021 18:47:45 GMT
Cut and paste Glenn Whelan and look how that ended Whelan was class. Joe is rubbish. He wasn’t on here He was a pariah so let’s not rewrite history
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Post by kustokie on Oct 30, 2021 18:56:14 GMT
I have been posting for several weeks now that MON needs to wake up, smell the coffee and realize Allen is neither a good player nor a strong leader on the pitch. Vrancic offers a lot more than Allen going forward and leaving him out today was a big mistake. The role of the captain on the pitch is often dismissed as inconsequential. Good captains lead by example or by acting as a the coach on the pitch. Great captains, like Shawcross, do both. Allen does neither. After the first sloppy goal, Allen should have been in every players’ face and given them a good bollocking. But he’s too introverted for that. He’s not a great footballer either. He’s built a career around a few performances playing for Wales. However, let’s face it, anyone can play well alongside Bale and Ramsey. He’s a fraud and the sooner MON realizes it the better. Souttar is the captain of the future (if we can keep him) and MON needs to make the change now. He’ll never get “the midfield balance right” until he understands it cannot be built around Allen because he’s just not good enough.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 30, 2021 18:57:20 GMT
I have been posting for several weeks now that MON needs to wake up, smell the coffee and realize Allen is neither a good player nor a strong leader on the pitch. Vrancic offers a lot more than Allen going forward and leaving him out today was a big mistake. The role of the captain on the pitch is often dismissed as inconsequential. Good captains lead by example or by acting as a the coach on the pitch. Great captains, like Shawcross, do both. Allen does neither. After the first sloppy goal, Allen should have been in every players’ face and given them a good bollocking. But he’s too introverted for that. He’s not a great footballer either. He’s built a career around a few performances playing for Wales. However, let’s face it, anyone can play well alongside Bale and Ramsey. He’s a fraud and the sooner MON realizes it the better. Souttar is the captain of the future (if we can keep him) and MON needs to make the change now. He’ll never get “the midfield balance right” until he understands it cannot be built around Allen because he’s just not good enough. A midfield of Vrancic, Sawyers and Thompson wouldn’t have been the right balance either though.
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Post by houstonsteve on Oct 30, 2021 18:57:59 GMT
MON is on record saying his view of modern football doesn't need a DM. I would love to know the back story on Clucas. Doing everything to get rid of him. No takers. Then re-sign him? Well we can’t say he isn’t wrong on the no DM front but we do need to be aware that he’s never had the chance to fully shape the central midfield due to Allen. I swear he has some sorta, ‘has to play if fit’ agreement/arrangement in place. From our transfer window it seemed he set up to start that overhaul but the bids/movements didn’t happen and so it was easier to resign Clucas on cheap to focus on bringing in other areas. I think its as simple as he (Allen) is on the biggest contract at stoke and its hard to justify not playing the bloke if he is fit irrespective of if it benefits the team or not. And MON loves him and Chester. I wonder if we can get rid in January?
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 30, 2021 18:59:45 GMT
Come on people!! He's the Welsh Pirlo ffs Get with the program both MoN and the media can see it.
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Joe Allen
Oct 30, 2021 19:02:35 GMT
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Post by potterburt on Oct 30, 2021 19:02:35 GMT
Well we can’t say he isn’t wrong on the no DM front but we do need to be aware that he’s never had the chance to fully shape the central midfield due to Allen. I swear he has some sorta, ‘has to play if fit’ agreement/arrangement in place. From our transfer window it seemed he set up to start that overhaul but the bids/movements didn’t happen and so it was easier to resign Clucas on cheap to focus on bringing in other areas. I think its as simple as he (Allen) is on the biggest contract at stoke and its hard to justify not playing the bloke if he is fit irrespective of if it benefits the team or not. And MON loves him and Chester. I wonder if we can get rid in January? I (to the most part agree) and no, they won’t be gone in January. Both out of contract in the summer so they look for next contract and will either get a final pay/hay day for a year from a lower champ/league 1 team or head into the coaching route.
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