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Post by stokecitydom on Oct 23, 2021 17:42:51 GMT
Our major issue is this terrible habit of conceding awful goals.
The opposition doesn’t have to work hard to score against us & it’s becoming a major problem.
Today they have scored 2 goals from a combined 10 yards out and the scorer hasn’t had a defender within touching distance. It wasn’t like we were cut open, it was just hopeful balls into the box & we switched off.
Bournemouth, Sheff Utd, Preston, Derby, Barnsley all games where we conceded questionable goals & there may be more.
Not sure what the issue is, some are down to individual errors, but not being switched on and concentrating for the whole 90 minutes is killing us.
On the other hand, we have to work so hard to score goals and have scored some pretty decent ones at that. Even against the poorer sides, we never seem to be gifted a goal.
It feels like every shot against us is a goal & we have to have 3/4 big chances to put one away. We aren’t far off from being a decent side (I already thought we were one until this past week), we just need to sort a few issues out.
Any calls for O’Neil to go are ridiculous, but he does have to earn his money and make us more solid, as at the moment we are just to easy to score against. Even when we are on top it always feels like we are 5 minutes from.
Anyway, keep the faith as I think we have the potential, we are just falling short at the moment.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 23, 2021 17:48:23 GMT
Definitely feels like we're giving goals away far more easily than our opponents.
Several would have been avoided with better midfield shielding but today was more switching off IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 17:54:59 GMT
Mid table mediocrity for us this season. Terrible defence.
We will not threaten top 6 from now on.
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Post by Brist_AL on Oct 23, 2021 18:17:12 GMT
Last 5 goals against stoke have been un marked strikers 3 yds out tap ins
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 23, 2021 19:03:16 GMT
It is rather woeful. All the preventable goals have the same basic pattern:
1. Midfielder loses ball
2. Midfielder doesn’t chase back
3. Cross isn’t closed down by wing back
4. Cross not intercepted/tackle not made by central defender or central defensive midfielder
Unless he provides more defensive cover in midfield, it’s too much to ask of the 3 defenders. Other than Souttar, they just aren’t up to it.
I am starting to think it’s time to move on from 3-5-2
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Oct 24, 2021 6:09:35 GMT
Our midfield needs to be more solid. A tough midfield general is what we need.
Flyweight little Joe Allen is not the answer.
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Post by Ron on Oct 24, 2021 7:14:28 GMT
Our biggest problem is the gaps that appear in wide areas.
There’s that much space in behind the wing backs constantly.
But the 2 goals today were pretty basic shite and a result of no one being alive in the box or stopping crosses. Souttar was arguably at fault for the 2nd today.
But , as well as the gaping holes down the flanks, the midfield is embarrassingly soft. Whilst near and tidy in possession most of the time any side can get through them like a knife through butter.
Thompson, our shining light against Bournemouth I thought, gets dropped again- despite him starting v wba and doing well in what imo was one of our best performances since relegation.
I don’t know what the answer is but you could tell as the seasons started that the midfield was going to be too lightweight. I said as far back as Huddersfield it was going be an issue.
Wing backs needs a proper DM- someon with an ability to get back and fill in and is alive to danger. We don’t have that.
Sawyers and vrancic in the same side is a recipe for disaster. It can’t go on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 9:57:39 GMT
What Klopp calls ' the high press '
What Pep calls ' tactical fouling '
Are two sides of the same coin
They both amount to the same thing
Get your fouling in , high up the pitch ...it's definitely not going to be a penalty , it properly won't even be a yellow card
We need to learn from successful sides and get our fouling in high up the pitch
If we don't , and right now , we don't , we will pay the price
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Post by hyaduck on Oct 30, 2021 10:55:39 GMT
Mid table mediocrity for us this season. Terrible defence. We will not threaten top 6 from now on. Terrible manager as well, won’t be going anywhere soon with O’Neill at the helm. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 30, 2021 12:15:23 GMT
For the answer see the "We are too nice thread". Not one of our midfield/defence want to stop the opposition no matter what.
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Post by lordb on Oct 30, 2021 12:18:54 GMT
Checking the goals against column ...
Erm...we aren't particularly easy to score against.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2021 12:23:31 GMT
Not having a midfield doesn’t help.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 12:32:05 GMT
Checking the goals against column ... Erm...we aren't particularly easy to score against. We chop and change the midfield and defence too much I think. We’ve conceded more than we should since trying to change a working system around to accommodate both Vrancic and Powell. A win today should help bring some confidence back and then we rebuild defensive security from there. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 30, 2021 12:35:27 GMT
Checking the goals against column ... Erm...we aren't particularly easy to score against. We chop and change the midfield and defence too much I think. We’ve conceded more than we should since trying to change a working system around to accommodate both Vrancic and Powell. A win today should help bring some confidence back and then we rebuild defensive security from there. We are clearly not emphasising defensive football however if I only read this board I'd assume we were shipping goals left right and centre To be fair we could have gone for more goals at Derby and Milwall but we are not 'easy to score against', if we we're we'd have an horrendous goals against column, we don't. Room for improvement, of course. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 30, 2021 13:06:28 GMT
Playing Chester today isn't going to help in keeping a clean sheat.
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 30, 2021 15:58:39 GMT
Tactics and a couple of individual errors did it for us today.
MON should have shored up the defence after we were carved open on the left last week. The same happened again this week.
As I said last week, he really needs a plan B instead of stubbornly staying with 3-5-2.
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Post by sportsman on Oct 30, 2021 16:00:36 GMT
When you've got a keeper and a defence as bad as that it's easily done
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Post by stokecitydom on Oct 30, 2021 16:06:00 GMT
Checking the goals against column ... Erm...we aren't particularly easy to score against. Three goals in 5 minutes today and they barely had to do anything to score any of them. We have major issues as a defensive unit, it’s clear for everyone to see. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 16:08:08 GMT
Chester looks fragile.
I have nothing against him but he surely is a liability.
It must be frustrating for defenders to play alongside him as all he can do is pass the ball.
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Post by tejstokie on Oct 30, 2021 16:09:53 GMT
Our midfield needs to be more solid. A tough midfield general is what we need. Flyweight little Joe Allen is not the answer. Never was a midfield general, he was only good when we had an nzonzi type cleaning up for him. Here we are. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 30, 2021 16:11:51 GMT
Too complacent. Strolling around. No idea how to arrest momentum and manage the game.
I don't want to say it was inevitable that we would concede three goals in five minutes, but we were letting Cardiff get back into the game unnecessarily.
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Post by jonnynico on Oct 30, 2021 16:12:06 GMT
I said 5 minutes before they scored ist goal what are they doing letting Cardiff get on top.
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Post by houstonsteve on Oct 30, 2021 16:12:15 GMT
we have been here consistently and he doesn't learn. The establishment first names on the team sheet needs to be dropped FOR GOOD. Namely Allen and Chester (add in Clucas etc). Get rid of 5-3-2 (note - he cant he doesn't have the squad without Powell) and we might get somewhere. If he plays 5-3-2 (note - he has too as he built a squad for it) he needs sacking for that alone. I really want MON to do well but his blind spots and inability to learn don't bode well.
There's a pretty decent basis for a good team in there somewhere. MON just cant see it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 30, 2021 16:14:41 GMT
Our biggest problem is the gaps that appear in wide areas. There’s that much space in behind the wing backs constantly. But the 2 goals today were pretty basic shite and a result of no one being alive in the box or stopping crosses. Souttar was arguably at fault for the 2nd today. But , as well as the gaping holes down the flanks, the midfield is embarrassingly soft. Whilst near and tidy in possession most of the time any side can get through them like a knife through butter. Thompson, our shining light against Bournemouth I thought, gets dropped again- despite him starting v wba and doing well in what imo was one of our best performances since relegation. I don’t know what the answer is but you could tell as the seasons started that the midfield was going to be too lightweight. I said as far back as Huddersfield it was going be an issue. Wing backs needs a proper DM- someon with an ability to get back and fill in and is alive to danger. We don’t have that. Sawyers and vrancic in the same side is a recipe for disaster. It can’t go on. Wilmott was way too gung ho stepping out especially after they pulled one back, he should have dropped back into a back 5 to take the sting out of the game. Good player, still young and still learning bit bit as good a footballer as he likes to think he is…… |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Oct 30, 2021 16:16:58 GMT
Whoever thinks Souttar is worth X amount is deluded. Does the hard stuff but can’t do the basics.
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Post by milky on Oct 30, 2021 16:21:14 GMT
The alarming thing for me ( apart from the obvious mental fragility) is that's 5 almost identical goals we've conceded in recent games.Ball played across from our right ,none of our defenders get near leaving their player a relatively simple goal.
That's awful at any level of football.
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Post by cerebralstokie on Oct 30, 2021 21:21:43 GMT
By what process have we changed from having one of the best defensive records last season to having one of the worst this? Surely it can't be put down to the departure of Collins, can it?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 30, 2021 21:24:49 GMT
By what process have we changed from having one of the best defensive records last season to having one of the worst this? Surely it can't be put down to the departure of Collins, can it? Getting the balance between attack and defence right is one of the hardest things to master, we’re not there yet…… |
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Post by pb1863 on Oct 30, 2021 21:40:51 GMT
From a central role our defenders are strong but put the ball out wide and they haven’t got a clue. The last three games the majority of goals have come from the right back position. Do we not work at this in training?
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