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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2021 20:54:48 GMT
The obsession with Sawyers is costing us. It’s like Mikel last year. It’s pathetic. You are pathetic. Our best midfielder by a country mile today. Still a prick I see. M He was missing for two thirds of the game. The midfield were very bad today.
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Post by hyaduck on Oct 23, 2021 21:00:39 GMT
The obsession with Sawyers is costing us. It’s like Mikel last year. It’s pathetic. The obsession with O’Neill is killing us, mediocre mid table manager at best. If we want outta this league we need to look beyond shite players from Northern Ireland. He’s got no desire to look in the foreign league’s for players with skill and pace who can move the ball quickly, instead opps for slow pedestrian players who just want to pass from side to side. A manager who has no idea needs replacing ASAP with someone who knows how to tactically win a game and score more than one goal. All the decent teams have been successful either foreign managers, not like prehistoric one we have. O’Neill out!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2021 21:19:27 GMT
Central midfield is full of Dad's army, none of them really known for their physical prowess either. I think they are putting in a shift, but we need a bit more balance in there - bit of a rottweiler, preferably at the right age. Allen is 31, a year older than Ngolo Kante. Sawyers is 29. Vrancic is 32. Not young but hardly Methuselah. The problem is that the balance isn’t right. Sawyers is being played deep but doesn’t do any off the ball work. It’s either him or Vrancic, we can’t play both.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Oct 23, 2021 21:22:42 GMT
We will end up mid table sadly.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 23, 2021 22:18:41 GMT
The obsession with Sawyers is costing us. It’s like Mikel last year. It’s pathetic. The obsession with O’Neill is killing us, mediocre mid table manager at best. If we want outta this league we need to look beyond shite players from Northern Ireland. He’s got no desire to look in the foreign league’s for players with skill and pace who can move the ball quickly, instead opps for slow pedestrian players who just want to pass from side to side. A manager who has no idea needs replacing ASAP with someone who knows how to tactically win a game and score more than one goal. All the decent teams have been successful either foreign managers, not like prehistoric one we have. O’Neill out! Remind me how many players we have from Northern Ireland?
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Post by pb1863 on Oct 23, 2021 23:44:40 GMT
Put it in perspective. Yes we are all pissed off at losing 3 in a row but.. we’ve lost to two of the top teams who will be in the top 6 in Sheff Utd & Bournemouth and we always struggle in London and we were without Powell. Looking at the next 10 games we can win 8 of these. Correct me if I’m wrong but we have only been out played twice by Fulham & Bournemouth this season and on another day we could have got something against Bournemouth. We are still equal 5th.
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Post by zerps on Oct 24, 2021 5:47:45 GMT
The obsession with Sawyers is costing us. It’s like Mikel last year. It’s pathetic. You are pathetic. Our best midfielder by a country mile today. Still a prick I see. M If he was our best midfielder today. We are fucked.
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Post by hyaduck on Oct 24, 2021 6:30:55 GMT
You are pathetic. Our best midfielder by a country mile today. Still a prick I see. M If he was our best midfielder today. We are fucked. With this dinosaur in charge, you’re correct. We’re well and truly F&@ked
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Post by sheds1862 on Oct 24, 2021 6:36:20 GMT
Put it in perspective. Yes we are all pissed off at losing 3 in a row but.. we’ve lost to two of the top teams who will be in the top 6 in Sheff Utd & Bournemouth and we always struggle in London and we were without Powell. Looking at the next 10 games we can win 8 of these. Correct me if I’m wrong but we have only been out played twice by Fulham & Bournemouth this season and on another day we could have got something against Bournemouth. We are still equal 5th. I agree with your sentiments in the main but we can't have this ' we always struggle in London ' bollocks. Arsenal Spurs and Chelsea are an exception but regular losses at Fulham, Brentford, Millwall are just pathetic. It's almost like' oh we'll write that one off we always lose in London ' . We'd of lost yesterday at most aways because of a weak underbelly being tickled by an opponent who reacted to going behind. I think we are doing ok and always try to be balanced. The reaction to WBA was way OTT they were absolutely garbage and gave worst display of the season . We are a potential top 6, 13 points now behind Bournemouth who have beaten two teams in the top 7 this week at a canter. Anything between 6th and 12th for me. Let's hope AFC Wimbledon don't get promotion .
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Post by lordflashheart on Oct 24, 2021 7:08:43 GMT
If this side were to finish in top 6 we’d be destroyed in the premier league. We’d struggle make 10 points
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Post by adamsson on Oct 24, 2021 7:33:50 GMT
I think Denis’ comments during the second half are very revealing. He is as loyal as they come and very close to the Board. He sounded frustrated. What did he say? I won't lie, I switched the radio off as I had had enough I guess he was his usual positive self and moaned all the time about everything.
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Post by adamsson on Oct 24, 2021 7:38:52 GMT
If this side were to finish in top 6 we’d be destroyed in the premier league. We’d struggle make 10 points Well if we got promoted and didn't strengthen the side then we would certainly have problems but that wouldn't happen
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Post by stokie1947 on Oct 24, 2021 7:50:57 GMT
i wouldn't worry we ain't going anywhere with this shower
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 8:15:47 GMT
He said we were excellent when we had the ball. I think I watched a different game. And then he said….. ? Go on..?
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Post by milky on Oct 24, 2021 10:47:16 GMT
The obsession with Sawyers is costing us. It’s like Mikel last year. It’s pathetic. The obsession with O’Neill is killing us, mediocre mid table manager at best. If we want outta this league we need to look beyond shite players from Northern Ireland. He’s got no desire to look in the foreign league’s for players with skill and pace who can move the ball quickly, instead opps for slow pedestrian players who just want to pass from side to side. A manager who has no idea needs replacing ASAP with someone who knows how to tactically win a game and score more than one goal. All the decent teams have been successful either foreign managers, not like prehistoric one we have. O’Neill out! The team currently 4 points clear at the top of the championship has an English manager. Just saying like...
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Post by hyaduck on Oct 24, 2021 11:53:42 GMT
The obsession with O’Neill is killing us, mediocre mid table manager at best. If we want outta this league we need to look beyond shite players from Northern Ireland. He’s got no desire to look in the foreign league’s for players with skill and pace who can move the ball quickly, instead opps for slow pedestrian players who just want to pass from side to side. A manager who has no idea needs replacing ASAP with someone who knows how to tactically win a game and score more than one goal. All the decent teams have been successful either foreign managers, not like prehistoric one we have. O’Neill out! The team currently 4 points clear at the top of the championship has an English manager. Just saying like... Yes a manager who’s played at the top level and picked up coaching methods from top foreign couches from where he’s played. We go for the cheap option, a bloke who wasn’t renowned for his football abilities and has coached Northern Ireland, what were they expecting? Another Paul Lambert it seems.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 24, 2021 11:57:44 GMT
The team currently 4 points clear at the top of the championship has an English manager. Just saying like... Yes a manager who’s played at the top level and picked up coaching methods from top foreign couches from where he’s played. We go for the cheap option, a bloke who wasn’t renowned for his football abilities and has coached Northern Ireland, what were they expecting? Another Paul Lambert it seems. Who gives a fuck what his football abilities were like? Sol Campbell's 'played at the top level', shall we get him in instead?
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Post by milky on Oct 24, 2021 12:08:02 GMT
The team currently 4 points clear at the top of the championship has an English manager. Just saying like... Yes a manager who’s played at the top level and picked up coaching methods from top foreign couches from where he’s played. We go for the cheap option, a bloke who wasn’t renowned for his football abilities and has coached Northern Ireland, what were they expecting? Another Paul Lambert it seems. I could well be wrong here but barring a brief stint at Chelsea under Mohrinho, Parker played out his career predominantly under British managers/ coaches. Also the played at the highest level is complete bollocks as well you probably know. Refer to John Barnes ,Chris Waddle, Bryan Robson ,Terry Butcher ,Alan Ball ...the list is endless.
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Post by hyaduck on Oct 24, 2021 12:09:42 GMT
Yes a manager who’s played at the top level and picked up coaching methods from top foreign couches from where he’s played. We go for the cheap option, a bloke who wasn’t renowned for his football abilities and has coached Northern Ireland, what were they expecting? Another Paul Lambert it seems. Who gives a fuck what his football abilities were like? Sol Campbell's 'played at the top level', shall we get him in instead? You’ll defend this manager until the cows come home. Oh I forgot, it’s a work in progress. Yeah right bollocks.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 24, 2021 12:11:52 GMT
Who gives a fuck what his football abilities were like? Sol Campbell's 'played at the top level', shall we get him in instead? You’ll defend this manager until the cows come home. Oh I forgot, it’s a work in progress. Yeah right bollocks. I won't mate. You don't have to look hard to find me criticising his team selection and approach over the last few games. It clearly is a work in progress though, as anyone with a grasp of 'context' would be able to see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 12:39:45 GMT
Declan rice has just been interviewed on radio 5 live ...Phil foden comming up next
The interviewer ( mark Chapman ?) Was asking trying to push him , how he feels about the one or two holding midfielders debate ?
Declan rice ...it's a real debate ..I do get it ...I have a great relationship with Kalvin with England and with Thomas at West ham .
But I completely get the idea that for some games two holding midfielders can be overly negative.
It's an interesting debate ... blah blah
For some reason , nobody ever considered asking him ...ever thought of playing with no holding midfielders like stoke !
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Post by ab61 on Oct 24, 2021 12:46:51 GMT
We’re 9th FFS (Sorry if it’s already been done 😉)
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 24, 2021 13:16:42 GMT
For me the formation is holding us back, especially when we don’t have a good DM, someone who will track the wing backs when they go forward.
We’re just too exposed down the wings.
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Post by s7oke on Oct 24, 2021 13:22:47 GMT
All we need is a horrible cunt in midfield who can break play down tackle and make simple but accurate passes Not someone who can’t tackle and has no spatial awareness and gets robbed of the ball all the time
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Post by onefatcopper on Oct 24, 2021 13:37:56 GMT
We’re 9th FFS (Sorry if it’s already been done 😉) Yeah, and level on points for a playoff place, let’s all get on each and everyone of these youngsters backs until they have lost any semblance of confidence, sack the manager and find a English manager who will want his own staff and players and start the same old sorry story off again ? FFS (fucking fickle stories) 😡😡🤬
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 13:51:20 GMT
Literally the first time Tymon got the ball v Millwall , their defender showed him the outside , so he flew round outside , whipped in a great cross onto the head of the stoke forward and a reflex save on his line from their keeper . Putting the ball straight back to into the mix 6 yards out , with Millwall hacking the ball away before a stokie could get to it .
Next time , their defender shows tymon the inside , so tymon zooms past on the inside , perfect pass to brown who tees up sawyers , and goal .
Basically this is great football , and if we had Whelan and nzonzi covering the gaps every time we did this , I could watch it all day long , but we don't and it's turning in to a mess
When Alfie came up on for the last twenty minutes Fulham it was a bit like watching tymon 2 . Same thing . Defender shows him the outside and he fly's past him and puts a quality cross in, with his right foot . Next time the defender shows him the inside and he cuts back onto his left and puts a lovely ball in . Great football .
If we ever got Josh and Alfie at full speed on both wings , and the midfield properly anchored , potentially we could be a good team .
But at the moment , pieces of the jigsaw are missing all over the place and Its all a bit of mess .
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 24, 2021 14:52:24 GMT
It's a top 6 squad, it has to be. There can't be many stronger in the league. That said it was all looking so good until 3 games ago, stay patient, it's a long old season. Probably in half of our games we've not looked top 6.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 24, 2021 22:37:49 GMT
Put it in perspective. Yes we are all pissed off at losing 3 in a row but.. we’ve lost to two of the top teams who will be in the top 6 in Sheff Utd & Bournemouth and we always struggle in London and we were without Powell. Looking at the next 10 games we can win 8 of these. Correct me if I’m wrong but we have only been out played twice by Fulham & Bournemouth this season and on another day we could have got something against Bournemouth. We are still equal 5th. That’s not the issue - we are trending in the wrong direction. Other teams, such as Sheffield United are improving. We are going in the other way and the manager doesn’t seems to know how to stop the slide. in particular other teams have worked out how to get behind the defense and how to neutralize the wing backs.
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Post by hyaduck on Oct 24, 2021 23:05:31 GMT
Work in progress my arse. How many years are we going to use this excuse for being shit? This, next and the following season.... He’ll be gone by then.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 25, 2021 1:08:23 GMT
Work in progress my arse. How many years are we going to use this excuse for being shit? This, next and the following season.... He’ll be gone by then. Hopefully you will be, your like a broken fucking record when we loose but very quiet when we win I've noticed.
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