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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 17:11:57 GMT
No bite in midfield Or anywhere else! Millwall were straight into the tackles from the off and made sure they got a bit of their man with every tackle , they made their tackles hurt or at least bruising .We had none of that We let them shirt pull , bear hug , wrestle Soutter for every corner ...the stoke players should have been screaming at the ref forcing him to deal with the situation and make a decision , penalty or not ? Piling increasing pressure on the ref with every corner kick . If the players are going to quietly accept this and not make a fuss , they shouldn't be playing pro football at 3 o'clock on a Saturday afternoon ...If you don't make a huge fuss...the ref will take the easy route out and do nothing .. which is what he did ...all day long
We need a Johnny Eustace Glenn whelan Steven nzonzi type , putting the boot and the elbow in , in midfield
Bournemouth know this , Millwall know this , stoke don't ...I have no idea why
Fulham beat us hands down playing well . Millwall beat us hands down playing badly
If you not prepared to stand up for yourself ( Soutter situation at ANY corner kick ) and you are not prepared to but the boot in and lead with the elbow like Bournemouth and Millwall , you can lose to anyone in this league , good or bad and you will .
Exempt form every comment above ...Josh tymon ... outstanding ...deserves to play for a better side than stoke ...but great to watch and a very effective footballer
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Post by zerps on Oct 23, 2021 17:13:52 GMT
We haven’t got a top 6 manager
Remember the second half of last season? It’s back 😎
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Post by march4 on Oct 23, 2021 17:18:57 GMT
I think Denis’ comments during the second half are very revealing. He is as loyal as they come and very close to the Board. He sounded frustrated. He said we were excellent when we had the ball. I think I watched a different game. And then he said….. ?
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Post by march4 on Oct 23, 2021 17:20:04 GMT
The biggest flaw is the manager though. Hard one to get over when he can’t spot the obvious. Do you want him sacking again? I think he should have till Christmas but time is beginning to run out if this current 8 game run of a point a game continues until then.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 23, 2021 17:25:30 GMT
Dare I say it’s a bit Hughes like? Plenty of capable footballers and I think we are better sides than most in the league but there really is a lack of any sort of fight without Powell in there. All nice enough footballers, but need someone who can kick opponents when needed.
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Post by greenhoff on Oct 23, 2021 17:26:51 GMT
The obsession with Sawyers is costing us. It’s like Mikel last year. It’s pathetic. He wasn't needed at all.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 23, 2021 17:29:41 GMT
It’s small margins for me.
Injuries are an issue especially too key players and like last season we’ve had more than our fare share already
Powell - Our best player Sima - Potentially a top striker Smith - Key to us both defensively and offensively Fox - The LCB we desperately need
Put them 4 in all season and we’d be in a playoff spot.
For me ONeills still the man. Essentially we’re still playing some good stuff but right now aren’t getting the rub of the green. Today but for some atrocious refereeing we could have had 2/3 pens and they should have had 4/5 booked in the first half. They literally scored from there 2 attempts in the whole game.
That said there are times when MONs his own worst enemy
Putting Allen in ahead of Thompson Chester ahead of Batth
Were the wrong calls for me. We’re improving but not enough to go up.
I think we’ll end up 8th-12th
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Oct 23, 2021 17:31:50 GMT
Christmas could be to late if the current trend continues i believe the squad is good enough the fault lies at the managers door. The board need to act sooner rather than later lose to Cardiff & we could well be in the bottom half of the table. That would be some fall after being in third place only 2 weeks ago.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 23, 2021 17:33:52 GMT
It’s small margins for me. Injuries are an issue especially too key players and like last season we’ve had more than our fare share already Powell - Our best player Sima - Potentially a top striker Smith - Key to us both defensively and offensively Fox - The LCB we desperately need Put them 4 in all season and we’d be in a playoff spot. For me ONeills still the man. Essentially we’re still playing some good stuff but right now aren’t getting the rub of the green. Today but for some atrocious refereeing we could have had 2/3 pens and they should have had 4/5 booked in the first half. They literally scored from there 2 attempts in the whole game. That said there are times when MONs his own worst enemy Putting Allen in ahead of Thompson Chester ahead of Batth Were the wrong calls for me. We’re improving but not enough to go up. I think we’ll end up 8th-12th Agree with all that but there’s no reason we can’t get in the play offs. There are 3 teams who will run away with it but beyond that the remain 3 of the top 6 can literally come from any one of 15 teams
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 23, 2021 17:39:58 GMT
It’s small margins for me. Injuries are an issue especially too key players and like last season we’ve had more than our fare share already Powell - Our best player Sima - Potentially a top striker Smith - Key to us both defensively and offensively Fox - The LCB we desperately need Put them 4 in all season and we’d be in a playoff spot. For me ONeills still the man. Essentially we’re still playing some good stuff but right now aren’t getting the rub of the green. Today but for some atrocious refereeing we could have had 2/3 pens and they should have had 4/5 booked in the first half. They literally scored from there 2 attempts in the whole game. That said there are times when MONs his own worst enemy Putting Allen in ahead of Thompson Chester ahead of Batth Were the wrong calls for me. We’re improving but not enough to go up. I think we’ll end up 8th-12th Agree with all that but there’s no reason we can’t get in the play offs. There are 3 teams who will run away with it but beyond that the remain 3 of the top 6 can literally come from any one of 15 teams We can but it just feels like we’re jinxed re injuries and being at the end of some shocking refereeing decisions. Even though the results haven’t been that great the last 3 games for large periods of the game (with the exception of Bournemouth) we’ve been the better side. When you look at our squad this season to last there’s no comparison. Vokes, McClean et al. The one player from last season that i’d like to see in the current squad is Mikel. I actually think he’d really fit in better than he did last seasons midfield.
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Post by bangorstokie on Oct 23, 2021 17:41:30 GMT
It’s hard to see anything other than mid table mediocrity, or worse I’m afraid. The chances of keeping Souttar, Campbell or even Powell are zilch!!! When that happens we’ll spunk the money on square pegs and try and fit them into round holes. For a professional football club that has been in existence for 150 years, our recruitment team is about as useful as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition and it seems the managers we employ don’t have a fucking clue either!!!
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Post by march4 on Oct 23, 2021 17:58:49 GMT
It’s hard to see anything other than mid table mediocrity, or worse I’m afraid. The chances of keeping Souttar, Campbell or even Powell are zilch!!! When that happens we’ll spunk the money on square pegs and try and fit them into round holes. For a professional football club that has been in existence for 150 years, our recruitment team is about as useful as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition and it seems the managers we employ don’t have a fucking clue either!!! £5.5M on Surridge!!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2021 18:00:22 GMT
It’s hard to see anything other than mid table mediocrity, or worse I’m afraid. The chances of keeping Souttar, Campbell or even Powell are zilch!!! When that happens we’ll spunk the money on square pegs and try and fit them into round holes. For a professional football club that has been in existence for 150 years, our recruitment team is about as useful as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition and it seems the managers we employ don’t have a fucking clue either!!! £5.5M on Surridge!! It was £2.5m.
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Post by samwidge on Oct 23, 2021 18:20:32 GMT
We haven’t got a top 6 manager Remember the second half of last season? It’s back 😎 And so are all the nobheads.....
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 23, 2021 18:27:11 GMT
Who’s calling for Baath playing on the left of a three? It would be worse than Chester. We need a left footer there so either we bring Fox in to play there when fit or go back four with him in and go two sitters in midfield, Sawyers or Vrancic in front and Sima, Campbell and Surridge up top with Brown and Fletcher in reserve. Might be harsh on Tymon but it’s not working like it was.
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Post by zerps on Oct 23, 2021 18:46:40 GMT
We haven’t got a top 6 manager Remember the second half of last season? It’s back 😎 And so are all the nobheads..... Enjoy the football sweetie ❤️
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Post by RAF on Oct 23, 2021 18:57:49 GMT
I'm not going to get all pre-menstrual about this I didn't expect us to get promoted this year and the improvement has been great. A couple of things that I've noticed. We always seem to have more time on the ball when Powell is playing, granted the manager can't do fuck all about him getting injured. What he could do is have more urgency with his subs and be a bit braver. I like MoN I really do, but we need a decent defensive midfielder and if a soft cunt like me can see that then so should he!
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Post by samwidge on Oct 23, 2021 19:11:09 GMT
And so are all the nobheads..... Enjoy the football sweetie ❤️ Thanks ducky 😘.
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Post by blackpoolred on Oct 23, 2021 19:18:19 GMT
We had a thread 3 weeks ago where I said we need 3 or 4 players to be genuine top half team and I seem to remember getting verbally raped for that comment, now the same people who were predicting auto-promotion or play-offs in that thread are on a bit of a downer - I think one of us made the comment "Not quite good enough for auto-promotion, not bad enough to finish below the play-offs" We have sold 18 players pre-season, not all deadwood and our own manager and John said in a virtual meet the fans at the end of last season that in order to move on we had to bring in quality players at peak age 25/26/27 and that we would only be able to to that via the loan market, well we did not manage to bring any decent players in at peak age and got mainly youngsters and more 30 somethings to go what we already have - or to replace what we lost. The first 11 has possibly improved from the side that finished 14th last season, but not massively, we are a few key players being injured away from being a side that could struggle - We need quality throughout the whole spine of the team. I like our manager and think he is doing a great job all things considered, needs time and a few more windows and we will see where we are then. My worry with him is that we dont really have any flare players and nobody I would pay money to watch, Alfie looks a decent player when he has played, not sure if he is injured - but if not he has got to give him a try, also not sure whats happened to TOB who looked a decent talent. Time to move on from players who just put in a shift, although I like the fact we have a more motivated team than in previous years, but we need a bit more now
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Post by zerps on Oct 23, 2021 19:22:17 GMT
We had a thread 3 weeks ago where I said we need 3 or 4 players to be genuine top half team and I seem to remember getting verbally raped for that comment, now the same people who were predicting auto-promotion or play-offs in that thread are on a bit of a downer - I think one of us made the comment "Not quite good enough for auto-promotion, not bad enough to finish below the play-offs" We have sold 18 players pre-season, not all deadwood and our own manager and John said in a virtual meet the fans at the end of last season that in order to move on we had to bring in quality players at peak age 25/26/27 and that we would only be able to to that via the loan market, well we did not manage to bring any decent players in at peak age and got mainly youngsters and more 30 somethings to go what we already have - or to replace what we lost. The first 11 has possibly improved from the side that finished 14th last season, but not massively, we are a few key players being injured away from being a side that could struggle - We need quality throughout the whole spine of the team. I like our manager and think he is doing a great job all things considered, needs time and a few more windows and we will see where we are then. My worry with him is that we dont really have any flare players and nobody I would pay money to watch, Alfie looks a decent player when he has played, not sure if he is injured - but if not he has got to give him a try, also not sure whats happened to TOB who looked a decent talent. Time to move on from players who just put in a shift, although I like the fact we have a more motivated team than in previous years, but we need a bit more now I’d question the motivation there. We look half asleep most of the time. We usually step up a gear when we go behind. A managers job is to motivate players from the offset.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2021 19:23:06 GMT
We had a thread 3 weeks ago where I said we need 3 or 4 players to be genuine top half team and I seem to remember getting verbally raped for that comment, now the same people who were predicting auto-promotion or play-offs in that thread are on a bit of a downer - I think one of us made the comment "Not quite good enough for auto-promotion, not bad enough to finish below the play-offs" We have sold 18 players pre-season, not all deadwood and our own manager and John said in a virtual meet the fans at the end of last season that in order to move on we had to bring in quality players at peak age 25/26/27 and that we would only be able to to that via the loan market, well we did not manage to bring any decent players in at peak age and got mainly youngsters and more 30 somethings to go what we already have - or to replace what we lost. The first 11 has possibly improved from the side that finished 14th last season, but not massively, we are a few key players being injured away from being a side that could struggle - We need quality throughout the whole spine of the team. I like our manager and think he is doing a great job all things considered, needs time and a few more windows and we will see where we are then. My worry with him is that we dont really have any flare players and nobody I would pay money to watch, Alfie looks a decent player when he has played, not sure if he is injured - but if not he has got to give him a try, also not sure whats happened to TOB who looked a decent talent. Time to move on from players who just put in a shift, although I like the fact we have a more motivated team than in previous years, but we need a bit more now We need more players that put in a shift if anything. The midfield is bereft of them. We were until recently one of the top chance creators in the league. We have Powell, Vrancic, Sawyers and the wing backs who are all capable of creating chances. The problem is we have very little physicality and look vulnerable when we don’t have the ball.
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Post by greenhoff on Oct 23, 2021 19:29:17 GMT
We had a thread 3 weeks ago where I said we need 3 or 4 players to be genuine top half team and I seem to remember getting verbally raped for that comment, now the same people who were predicting auto-promotion or play-offs in that thread are on a bit of a downer - I think one of us made the comment "Not quite good enough for auto-promotion, not bad enough to finish below the play-offs" We have sold 18 players pre-season, not all deadwood and our own manager and John said in a virtual meet the fans at the end of last season that in order to move on we had to bring in quality players at peak age 25/26/27 and that we would only be able to to that via the loan market, well we did not manage to bring any decent players in at peak age and got mainly youngsters and more 30 somethings to go what we already have - or to replace what we lost. The first 11 has possibly improved from the side that finished 14th last season, but not massively, we are a few key players being injured away from being a side that could struggle - We need quality throughout the whole spine of the team. I like our manager and think he is doing a great job all things considered, needs time and a few more windows and we will see where we are then. My worry with him is that we dont really have any flare players and nobody I would pay money to watch, Alfie looks a decent player when he has played, not sure if he is injured - but if not he has got to give him a try, also not sure whats happened to TOB who looked a decent talent. Time to move on from players who just put in a shift, although I like the fact we have a more motivated team than in previous years, but we need a bit more now We need more players that put in a shift if anything. The midfield is bereft of them. We were until recently one of the top chance creators in the league. We have Powell, Vrancic, Sawyers and the wing backs who are all capable of creating chances. The problem is we have very little physicality and look vulnerable when we don’t have the ball. Spot on. The blend is all wrong
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Post by blackpoolred on Oct 23, 2021 19:37:36 GMT
We had a thread 3 weeks ago where I said we need 3 or 4 players to be genuine top half team and I seem to remember getting verbally raped for that comment, now the same people who were predicting auto-promotion or play-offs in that thread are on a bit of a downer - I think one of us made the comment "Not quite good enough for auto-promotion, not bad enough to finish below the play-offs" We have sold 18 players pre-season, not all deadwood and our own manager and John said in a virtual meet the fans at the end of last season that in order to move on we had to bring in quality players at peak age 25/26/27 and that we would only be able to to that via the loan market, well we did not manage to bring any decent players in at peak age and got mainly youngsters and more 30 somethings to go what we already have - or to replace what we lost. The first 11 has possibly improved from the side that finished 14th last season, but not massively, we are a few key players being injured away from being a side that could struggle - We need quality throughout the whole spine of the team. I like our manager and think he is doing a great job all things considered, needs time and a few more windows and we will see where we are then. My worry with him is that we dont really have any flare players and nobody I would pay money to watch, Alfie looks a decent player when he has played, not sure if he is injured - but if not he has got to give him a try, also not sure whats happened to TOB who looked a decent talent. Time to move on from players who just put in a shift, although I like the fact we have a more motivated team than in previous years, but we need a bit more now We need more players that put in a shift if anything. The midfield is bereft of them. We were until recently one of the top chance creators in the league. We have Powell, Vrancic, Sawyers and the wing backs who are all capable of creating chances. The problem is we have very little physicality and look vulnerable when we don’t have the ball. Is midfield problem not down to the age of the players in there, particularly the central midfield
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 23, 2021 19:46:37 GMT
We need more players that put in a shift if anything. The midfield is bereft of them. We were until recently one of the top chance creators in the league. We have Powell, Vrancic, Sawyers and the wing backs who are all capable of creating chances. The problem is we have very little physicality and look vulnerable when we don’t have the ball. Is midfield problem not down to the age of the players in there, particularly the central midfield What do you mean sorry?
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Post by blackpoolred on Oct 23, 2021 20:00:18 GMT
Is midfield problem not down to the age of the players in there, particularly the central midfield What do you mean sorry? Central midfield is full of Dad's army, none of them really known for their physical prowess either. I think they are putting in a shift, but we need a bit more balance in there - bit of a rottweiler, preferably at the right age.
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Post by potter1989 on Oct 23, 2021 20:07:55 GMT
Glad knowbody is panicking 🙄
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Post by Royal Donut on Oct 23, 2021 20:11:58 GMT
2 wins and thread about winning the league will be back 🙂
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Post by RAF on Oct 23, 2021 20:23:03 GMT
It’s hard to see anything other than mid table mediocrity, or worse I’m afraid. The chances of keeping Souttar, Campbell or even Powell are zilch!!! When that happens we’ll spunk the money on square pegs and try and fit them into round holes. For a professional football club that has been in existence for 150 years, our recruitment team is about as useful as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition and it seems the managers we employ don’t have a fucking clue either!!! £5.5M on Surridge!! 5 mill on James McClean , 5 mill on Dean Whitehead, fuck me we can go on forever. Don't get me started on the 8.5 mill on Wilson Palacios H
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Post by masne on Oct 23, 2021 20:37:56 GMT
The obsession with Sawyers is costing us. It’s like Mikel last year. It’s pathetic. You are pathetic. Our best midfielder by a country mile today. Still a prick I see. M
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 23, 2021 20:49:52 GMT
Something isn’t right. Why these players can’t motivate themselves from the get go is the problem. Do they actually think they are that good that results will come or do they get a gentle pat on the back rather than a fuckin hard boot up the arse for performing with no guts? Starts at the top for me in the leadership, or chronic lack thereof.
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