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Post by TheWiseMaster on Oct 15, 2021 8:36:32 GMT
Interesting comments Guesting on the first episode Tony shares stories about the highs and lows of working with wayward players, building a team and clashing with officials. And he also reflects on what he considers to be the worst part of the job. He says: “I was asked the other day what was it like leaving Michael Owen out or Crouchy when they were at Stoke with us ... big players who had obviously been top international players. "My answer was that wasn’t too bad. "The worst thing for me was always on the Monday after the season finished when you had to tell young players that their careers were coming to an end. "I can remember playing games at the end of the season, finishing the game and worrying from that point onwards to the Monday." 'We don't take enough care' For Tony, knowing that young players' dreams are going to be shattered is a heavy burden. "Their expectations ... from a very young age have been to be professional footballers," he explains. "They’ve been around it, they’ve been in it, and the disappointment that they get then from being released – not just them, but the families, their friends and everything that surrounds them - is horrendous. "And I don’t think we take enough notice. I don’t think we take enough care. I don’t think we understand that situation well enough, right through football." TP broadcast |
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Post by TinkerT on Oct 15, 2021 9:51:03 GMT
I think young players career's are over the day he takes over a football club the absolute dinosaur.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 15, 2021 10:02:44 GMT
Now we know why he was so against the academy - he hated having to release young players!
I am sure that he would have preferred no youth teams and just going out and buying players. It's strange, if he hated those moments so much, that he never really tried to integrate young players into his squad as MON is doing. I know the calibre today is probably better but I can think of some promising youngsters Pulis just allowed to drift away. You do wonder whether Campbell, Tymon, Collins and Souttar would still be playing academy football or have left for another club under Pulis.
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Post by cerebralstokie on Oct 15, 2021 10:03:17 GMT
TP thought every player was a "kiddie" till they reached the age of 26. Very few youngsters made it through to the First XI under his time as manager. Contrast that with the present regime. I see little point in an Academy if it does not produce one or two First Team players per season.
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Post by march4 on Oct 15, 2021 11:09:09 GMT
I think young players career's are over the day he takes over a football club the absolute dinosaur. Oh dear! |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 15, 2021 11:19:22 GMT
Oh dear.
If he told me it was Friday today I'd have to check the calendar.
He's full of shit and some people take it in.
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Post by generationex on Oct 15, 2021 11:22:58 GMT
To be fair none of the youth players from that generation (that left Stoke) went on to have top careers.
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Post by bertiestan on Oct 15, 2021 11:23:08 GMT
I think young players career's are over the day he takes over a football club the absolute dinosaur. Oh dear! I take it you disagree march? |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 15, 2021 11:24:22 GMT
Oh dear. If he told me it was Friday today I'd have to check the calendar. He's full of shit and some people take it in. Some people are full of shit and some don’t take it in |
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Post by bertiestan on Oct 15, 2021 11:25:40 GMT
I think young players career's are over the day he takes over a football club the absolute dinosaur. Oh dear! Disagree march? |
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Post by bertiestan on Oct 15, 2021 11:26:04 GMT
I think young players career's are over the day he takes over a football club the absolute dinosaur. Oh dear! Disagree march? |
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Post by cmc89 on Oct 15, 2021 11:32:48 GMT
TP thought every player was a "kiddie" till they reached the age of 26. Very few youngsters made it through to the First XI under his time as manager. Contrast that with the present regime. I see little point in an Academy if it does not produce one or two First Team players per season. Closer to one player every 2-3 seasons. Otherwise within 5 years you'd have a young and fully homegrown club which just doesn't happen. There are a few exceptions but generally the average is one decent player every 2-3 years. We also only really invested in the academy when TP was around so the progress we are seeing now probably wouldn't have even been possible back then |
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Post by armitage on Oct 15, 2021 11:39:38 GMT
Matty
Abdoulae
Ric
Ryan
Lennie
Huthy
Rory
Tommy
Glen
Higgy
Beats
Pennant
SJ
Beggers
Some people have short memories.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Oct 15, 2021 11:52:47 GMT
Matty Abdoulae Ric Ryan Lennie Huthy Rory Tommy Glen Higgy Beats Pennant SJ Beggers Some people have short memories. they’re not your mates you lunatic |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 15, 2021 11:58:35 GMT
Matty Abdoulae Ric Ryan Lennie Huthy Rory Tommy Glen Higgy Beats Pennant SJ Beggers Some people have short memories. ?? |
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Post by chigstoke on Oct 15, 2021 12:01:50 GMT
Matty Abdoulae Ric Ryan Lennie Huthy Rory Tommy Glen Higgy Beats Pennant SJ Beggers Some people have short memories. Whats that got to do with the price of bacon? |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 15, 2021 12:09:53 GMT
Matty Abdoulae Ric Ryan Lennie Huthy Rory Tommy Glen Higgy Beats Pennant SJ Beggers Some people have short memories. And the award for bizarre and totally irrelevant post in a thread 2021 goes to..... |
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Post by scfc75 on Oct 15, 2021 12:22:11 GMT
Matty Abdoulae Ric Ryan Lennie Huthy Rory Tommy Glen Higgy Beats Pennant SJ Beggers Some people have short memories. And the award for bizarre and totally irrelevant post in a thread 2021 goes to..... Oh come on, I’ve seen far worse 😂 |
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Post by mamasgloves on Oct 15, 2021 12:54:02 GMT
To be fair none of the youth players from that generation (that left Stoke) went on to have top careers. It's almost like years of carefully orchestrated development were suddenly brought to a halt and their careers suffered as a result |
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Post by bloodtypered on Oct 15, 2021 12:55:53 GMT
He wasnt people person, he didnt know how to get the best out of some players....unlike MON
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 13:25:57 GMT
To be fair none of the youth players from that generation (that left Stoke) went on to have top careers. It's almost like years of carefully orchestrated development were suddenly brought to a halt and their careers suffered as a result Our academy then was not producing the same level of quality as now. It takes years of planning to do that. That planning (and prestige) was started with the money the Coates family could invest in the academy after Pulis won us promotion. He didn’t seem to care about playing the kids. Oh well. He still gave opportunities to Wilkinson, Dickinson, Shawcross and Begovic (Shotton as well, though never in his better position). It’s my impression that you bring on youngsters close to first team level when you are a) winning by a lot or b) in a competition you don’t care about. I always felt that domestic cups were important to the fan base and the management and that we never really won by a lot under Pulis. MON appears to want to invest in the youngsters more. However, our business model (from the outside looking in) has also changed. We are a team with limited finances and several good assets. That’s very different to the Pulis era in the premier league. |
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Post by marwood on Oct 15, 2021 14:00:14 GMT
Matty Abdoulae Ric Ryan Lennie Huthy Rory Tommy Glen Higgy Beats Pennant SJ Beggers Some people have short memories. is this a list of your mates in the pub who always forget to get you a round in? I bet 'Beats' and 'Beggers' are right bastards for it |
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Post by wuzza on Oct 15, 2021 14:09:59 GMT
Been a while so I suppose we were due a bit of TP slagging.
P.S Remind me of the youngsters whose career he put the kibosh on - can’t put a name to many who flourished elsewhere.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 15, 2021 14:12:07 GMT
To be fair on Tony Pulis the Academy simply wasn't churning out players anywhere near Premiership quality. It's only now we are producing a few players capable of making it at a good level.
What actually worries me now us the clamour to play youngsters before they are ready and the idea that the first team is somehow an extension of the academy whose primary function is to develop players rather than win games. For me the only players in the first team should be those who are the best option for that game and youngsters should only be playing on merit.
I recall Whelan getting slated for laying into N'Goy in a game where he was clearly struggling. At one level he was out of order but the thing is he was actually right - the lad simply wasn't ready. Neither he nor N'Goy should have been put in that position in the first place.
Thankfully the youngsters who have broken through lately - Collins, Souttar, Campbell and Bursik have been there on merit and in the case of Bursik misplaced sentiment hasn't prevented him from being pulled when his performance has dipped. I think currently we are in a good place in respect to the players coming through and how we are using them in the first team.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 15, 2021 14:18:54 GMT
Been a while so I suppose we were due a bit of TP slagging. P.S Remind me of the youngsters whose career he put the kibosh on - can’t put a name to many who flourished elsewhere. Which in itself is a damning indictment of his and the clubs approach. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 14:27:01 GMT
I fail to understand how any Stoke fan can look upon the Pulis years now, without anything other than great fondness.
He had many faults like most managers.
Most managers haven't given us the amount of memories that his teams did.
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Post by dave1 on Oct 15, 2021 14:34:20 GMT
As much as I like Michael O'Neil (and he's doing a quality job) I'd take TP back tomorrow, always will! I love the bloke....
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Post by medwaypotter on Oct 15, 2021 14:39:26 GMT
As much as I like Michael O'Neil (and he's doing a quality job) I'd take TP back tomorrow, always will! I love the bloke.... Route 1 and no youth coming through ? Not for me. |
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Post by wuzza on Oct 15, 2021 14:47:53 GMT
Been a while so I suppose we were due a bit of TP slagging. P.S Remind me of the youngsters whose career he put the kibosh on - can’t put a name to many who flourished elsewhere. Which in itself is a damning indictment of his and the clubs approach. Well if a lads good enough he can go elsewhere and make a fist of it - a la Mr T Campbell. I think TPS focus quite rightly was digging this club out of the mire as quickly and effectively as he could. Others are responsible for getting the Academy sorted and it took a good while after TP went for the right bodies to be put in place. |
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Post by scfc75 on Oct 15, 2021 14:57:11 GMT
As much as I like Michael O'Neil (and he's doing a quality job) I'd take TP back tomorrow, always will! I love the bloke.... Stockholm syndrome |
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