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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 12, 2021 23:05:59 GMT
It could be that Saka for Grealish is the worst substitution in the history of football. Bell for Charlton still has that accolade. And the Argentina collection from 2006 v Germany are up there
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 12, 2021 23:09:13 GMT
Well that was fucking garbabe. That’s a good word to describe a chavvy woman, might use that one. Do you think Roger Mellie would approve?
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Post by hyaduck on Oct 13, 2021 3:52:12 GMT
Shit manager who hasn't got a clue, we would of won the Euro's with a different manager. Conte in, Southgate out!
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 13, 2021 4:22:52 GMT
It could be that Saka for Grealish is the worst substitution in the history of football. Bell for Charlton still has that accolade. And the Argentina collection from 2006 v Germany are up there In terms of outcome, I agree. But, it was rational. There was a sensible argument for it. You understood why Ramsey did it. There was no sense whatsoever in that substitution yesterday. It was absurd.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Oct 13, 2021 5:09:37 GMT
Give Mancini this group of players & we would be champions of Europe & favourites for the World Cup.
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 13, 2021 5:31:37 GMT
Think if this lot win anything it will be despite Southgate rather than because of him.
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Post by hyaduck on Oct 13, 2021 5:41:55 GMT
There is so much quality in that squad but will go to waste with Southgate. Mr negative!!
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Post by pottersrule on Oct 13, 2021 5:45:24 GMT
There is so much quality in that squad but will go to waste with Southgate. Mr negative!! He played an attacking 442 lineup.
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Post by zerps on Oct 13, 2021 6:19:44 GMT
It’s good to see the British constabulary bravely running away last night.
Monty python was a documentary.
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Post by Gods on Oct 13, 2021 6:51:50 GMT
It’s good to see the British constabulary bravely running away last night. Monty python was a documentary. They're not really man'ed (or more often woman'ed) these days for a wrestling match with the Budapest weight lifting club are they?! It's all about CCTV and a knock on your door at 6am on a Thursday morning these days!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 6:57:07 GMT
Either england are shit or stoke are shit, never both good at the same time, I think we are going up Same applies with the England cricket team We got to the FA Cup final the same year the England cricket team won the Ashes in Australia.
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Post by armitage on Oct 13, 2021 7:05:00 GMT
Excellent performance by Hungary.
If mediocre opponents can do that to us do we need to re-think either
- the use of Walker and Shaw as full backs rather as wingbacks (343) they were clearly ineffective last night and / or
- the make up of that midfield, clearly that didn't work either.
While Sterling and Kane were our two most ineffective players (starters anyway) l don't think we need to worry about them two as long as we tackle the wing back and midfield issues.
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 13, 2021 7:05:38 GMT
Dire game - starting line up looked good and positive but we just didn't play well and Kane looks like a passenger right now rather than the focal point of our attacks. Southgate is never going to be a tactical genius (he's no idea how to change a game) but on the most part, he's got us playing as a good team and he deserves to be leading us to the coming world cup. Plenty of other so called 'golden generations' have done bugger all in the past.
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Post by zerps on Oct 13, 2021 7:15:45 GMT
It’s good to see the British constabulary bravely running away last night. Monty python was a documentary. They're not really man'ed (or more often woman'ed) these days for a wrestling match with the Budapest weight lifting club are they?! It's all about CCTV and a knock on your door at 6am on a Thursday morning these days! I mean, they shouldn’t be running off 😂
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 13, 2021 8:36:15 GMT
Excellent performance by Hungary. If mediocre opponents can do that to us do we need to re-think either - the use of Walker and Shaw as full backs rather as wingbacks (343) they were clearly ineffective last night and / or - the make up of that midfield, clearly that didn't work either. While Sterling and Kane were our two most ineffective players (starters anyway) l don't think we need to worry about them two as long as we tackle the wing back and midfield issues. Sterling was little short of awful though. Gives the ball away, has trouble with his first touch. Throw, Mount, Foden and Grealish into the mix and they were all running into each other, metaphorically speaking. Bellingham needs to be integrated into that starting line up and I'd play Foden instead of Mount, retain Grealish and look to bring another striker in alongside Kane. Ings would be good. The central pairing of Stones and Mings was dodgy to say the least. Hungary very impressive in huge parts of that game.
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Post by tqstokie on Oct 13, 2021 8:46:45 GMT
Stats say 64% possession. 50% was meaningless in our own half. If this tippy tappy possession stuff in our own half is modern football they can keep it. It makes games a bore fest IMHO. Goals are usually scored when the ball is in the opposition half. The only man who looked as though he could break through was subbed for a young lad. Ridiculous Mr Southgate!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 13, 2021 9:48:45 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 13, 2021 10:13:51 GMT
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 13, 2021 10:39:44 GMT
To me this current England squad is in danger of falling into the same trap as when we had Gerrard and Lampard, with a manger trying to shoe horn both into the starting 11. I think Foden should play, but not Mount, who seemed lost in the role he was asked to perform. The whole balance of the side got distorted by having Mount play where he did, and it seemed to affect is game very badly.
As others have said, Bellingham for Mount would perhaps be the best option with Phillips and Rice competing for 1 spot. Let Grealish roam free and tell Kane to play higher up the pitch...the service will come and he needs to be in the right place when it does
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 11:11:26 GMT
Fuck me, is that all it takes?
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 13, 2021 11:15:11 GMT
Shite night all round really for England.
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Post by marylandstoke on Oct 13, 2021 11:24:56 GMT
I think Saka struggled because it was clear the fans weren’t happy with Grealish coming off - I think he knew it was a mental substitution. Grealish certainly wasn’t happy with Grealish coming off.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 13, 2021 11:36:57 GMT
Swapping Bellingham for Mount immediately changes the balance of the side for the better.
I keep going on about balance, it's so important.
Rice Bellingham
Sterling Foden Grealish
Kane
And we need to start Greenwood up front in more games too.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Oct 13, 2021 11:39:00 GMT
I’m sorry but the Police are absolute fucking chickens. Stand and fight, or take up flower arranging for a living.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 13, 2021 11:43:29 GMT
I think Saka struggled because it was clear the fans weren’t happy with Grealish coming off - I think he knew it was a mental substitution. Grealish certainly wasn’t happy with Grealish coming off. Grealish didn't actually make much happen. Plenty of promise but little end product. I wouldn't have subbed him but he wasn't really creating much
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 13, 2021 12:02:24 GMT
Grealish certainly wasn’t happy with Grealish coming off. Grealish didn't actually make much happen. Plenty of promise but little end product. I wouldn't have subbed him but he wasn't really creating much But with how we struggled to break them down set-pieces were becoming more important. Grealish wins free kicks for fun and we replaced him with a wimp who can’t handle any sort of pressure.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 13, 2021 12:25:22 GMT
Grealish didn't actually make much happen. Plenty of promise but little end product. I wouldn't have subbed him but he wasn't really creating much But with how we struggled to break them down set-pieces were becoming more important. Grealish wins free kicks for fun and we replaced him with a wimp who can’t handle any sort of pressure. Grealish at least has the industriousness to get in there and try something. Though he had a crap game it was a mistake to take Kane off. Who's most likely to nab a goal? Even off form he can score.
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Post by peterpan1 on Oct 13, 2021 12:57:02 GMT
Overall Southo is a very successful England manager. But some of his subs are wank. Taking Sterling off v Croatia effectively handed the game to them. And I'm in a minority in that I'm not overly taken with Grealish for England yet. But subbing him in this was just daft. Kane too. Off form but who's most likely nab you a winner? I'm sorry to beg to differ, isn't success deemed by what you actually win Joe ? He's won the square root of fuck all. He'll never get a better chance than the Euros and he squandered that.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 13, 2021 13:24:40 GMT
Overall Southo is a very successful England manager. But some of his subs are wank. Taking Sterling off v Croatia effectively handed the game to them. And I'm in a minority in that I'm not overly taken with Grealish for England yet. But subbing him in this was just daft. Kane too. Off form but who's most likely nab you a winner? I'm sorry to beg to differ, isn't success deemed by what you actually win Joe ? He's won the square root of fuck all. He'll never get a better chance than the Euros and he squandered that. England aren't, and never really have been, a world power in international football. To reach a major semi and then a final is a very good showing. I'm also disappointed we couldn't take the next steps but having took over in the wake of the Iceland calamity looking what's been done since his record stands up. The positive is with the young uns we could have a very bright future. And that'll be nice whoever the manager is
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 13, 2021 14:02:18 GMT
Swapping Bellingham for Mount immediately changes the balance of the side for the better. I keep going on about balance, it's so important. Rice Bellingham Sterling Foden Grealish Kane And we need to start Greenwood up front in more games too. Greenwood at the expense of Sterling for me and it would help if Rashford gets his mojo back.
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