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Post by werrington on Oct 10, 2021 6:29:13 GMT
We move on…..Tuesday night 7:45pm
Wholesale changes await ….Maybe only Foden will start from last nights side
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 10, 2021 6:50:48 GMT
Goooaarrn England!!
Have we qualifed yet?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 10, 2021 7:51:57 GMT
Goooaarrn England!! Have we qualifed yet? I don’t even think we can qualify with a win on Tuesday as Albania are too close behind |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 10, 2021 7:53:50 GMT
Goooaarrn England!! Have we qualifed yet? I don’t even think we can qualify with a win on Tuesday as Albania are too close behind Blimey. Better make sure we stay abreast of opponents then. |
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Post by werrington on Oct 10, 2021 7:54:10 GMT
Goooaarrn England!! Have we qualifed yet? I don’t even think we can qualify with a win on Tuesday as Albania are too close behind We can’t mate as Albania play Poland so any result from that makes it impossible for England to qualify automatically even if we beat Hungary |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 10, 2021 8:48:56 GMT
Win on Tuesday and we’ve qualified because we’ve got San Marino to play.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 10, 2021 8:49:35 GMT
Surely we can't fuck this up.
😀
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Post by nott1 on Oct 11, 2021 8:24:24 GMT
Win on Tuesday and we’ve qualified because we’ve got San Marino to play. Not cut and dried then! |
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 11, 2021 9:07:37 GMT
Surely we can't fuck this up. 😀 In fairness, we are pretty bloody good at qualifying. It’s those later stages in tournament finals we need to improve. And we seem to be improving in that regards based on recent experience. We still choke though when it really matters. But we’re not the only ones that applies to. Hello Belgium! |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 11, 2021 10:43:38 GMT
Surely we can't fuck this up. 😀 In fairness, we are pretty bloody good at qualifying. It’s those later stages in tournament finals we need to improve. And we seem to be improving in that regards based on recent experience. We still choke though when it really matters. But we’re not the only ones that applies to. Hello Belgium! Unlike the 1970's when there were only 8 qualification spots for European countries you have to be really rubbish now not to get to the finals. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 11, 2021 10:51:58 GMT
Is it Sheff Utd away yet, international qualifiers and friendlys are below average at best.
Roll on the league games…
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Post by armitage on Oct 11, 2021 11:53:11 GMT
The media noise to build the team around Foden is only going to get louder.
So if Kane, Grealish and Sterling become automatic picks in a front three, to accommodate Foden we're going to have to either
- switch to 433, and go back to playing conventional full backs, or
- cut out one of the defensive / holding midfielders in a 343 which has most of the width coming from Shaw and Trippier (or whoever plays RWB).
I'm leaning towards the latter but maybe horses for courses?
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 11, 2021 11:58:35 GMT
The media noise to build the team around Foden is only going to get louder. So if Kane, Grealish and Sterling become automatic picks in a front three, to accommodate Foden we're going to have to either - switch to 433, and go back to playing conventional full backs, or - cut out one of the defensive / holding midfielders in a 343 which has most of the width coming from Shaw and Trippier (or whoever plays RWB). I'm leaning towards the latter but maybe horses for courses? I think the formation is the same as we have played quite a lot under Southgate ie 4-2-3-1. The man missing out is Mount if the three behind Kant is the Citeh trio. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 11, 2021 12:34:40 GMT
The media noise to build the team around Foden is only going to get louder. So if Kane, Grealish and Sterling become automatic picks in a front three, to accommodate Foden we're going to have to either - switch to 433, and go back to playing conventional full backs, or - cut out one of the defensive / holding midfielders in a 343 which has most of the width coming from Shaw and Trippier (or whoever plays RWB). I'm leaning towards the latter but maybe horses for courses? I think the formation is the same as we have played quite a lot under Southgate ie 4-2-3-1. The man missing out is Mount if the three behind Kant is the Citeh trio. I think Southo is infatuated with Mount |
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 11, 2021 14:34:53 GMT
I think the formation is the same as we have played quite a lot under Southgate ie 4-2-3-1. The man missing out is Mount if the three behind Kant is the Citeh trio. I think Southo is infatuated with Mount Well, he has a bit of a problem then! Mind you, it’s a nice problem to have. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 11, 2021 21:56:42 GMT
I think Southo is infatuated with Mount Well, he has a bit of a problem then! Mind you, it’s a nice problem to have. It's a great problem. Hopefully he can use his problem well 😀 |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 11, 2021 22:14:03 GMT
The media noise to build the team around Foden is only going to get louder. So if Kane, Grealish and Sterling become automatic picks in a front three, to accommodate Foden we're going to have to either - switch to 433, and go back to playing conventional full backs, or - cut out one of the defensive / holding midfielders in a 343 which has most of the width coming from Shaw and Trippier (or whoever plays RWB). I'm leaning towards the latter but maybe horses for courses? I think the formation is the same as we have played quite a lot under Southgate ie 4-2-3-1. The man missing out is Mount if the three behind Kant is the Citeh trio. Pickford Walker Maguire Stones Trent Rice Foden Shaw Sterling Kane Grealish But ignoring the choice of players, I can’t see Southgate being that adventurous. Of course it would be ok against the rabble we face in qualifying but no chance in the finals. Any 343 would have two of Rice, Phillips, Bellingham and Henderson in the middle of the 4. Pickford Trent Gomez Maguire Shaw Rice Bellingham Foden Sterling Kane Grealish 4213, 433, 4231 or however we interpret it I like the look of that line up going forward and it’s nice to have quality competition too! |
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Post by Gods on Oct 11, 2021 23:25:40 GMT
Surely we can't fuck this up. 😀 In fairness, we are pretty bloody good at qualifying. It’s those later stages in tournament finals we need to improve. And we seem to be improving in that regards based on recent experience. We still choke though when it really matters. But we’re not the only ones that applies to. Hello Belgium! We have got better at qualifying not least because so many teams qualify now since the World Cup Finals have got so large. The Euros have gone the same way, 24 teams qualify now which is 3 times more teams than qualified in 1992. In order to not qualify these days you have to be as close to useless as makes no difference. I think that's partly why many folks find these international weekends such a grinding exercise in futility. They miss their weekly fill of football and for what exactly? Watching England navigate their way through yet another 'gimmee' qualifying group. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 12, 2021 2:31:12 GMT
I don't think we'll lose 3-6 this time
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Post by Sfance on Oct 12, 2021 3:37:19 GMT
That’s what they said in 1953.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 12, 2021 7:52:52 GMT
Expecting a fiery start to this one.
Kane as a centre forward, in and around the box, we’ll put it to bed in the first half. Kane in midfield and it’ll be a slow burner.
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Post by spiderpuss on Oct 12, 2021 8:41:41 GMT
Win on Tuesday and we’ve qualified because we’ve got San Marino to play. Not cut and dried then! San Marino concede a goal every 21 minutes on average. I'd say that's cut into ribbons and dried like a crispy piece of bacon. Win tonight and we just need to get over that formality. |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 12, 2021 9:25:57 GMT
San Marino concede a goal every 21 minutes on average. I'd say that's cut into ribbons and dried like a crispy piece of bacon. Win tonight and we just need to get over that formality. Remember when they went one up against England after about 5 seconds! |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 12, 2021 9:51:25 GMT
That’s what they said in 1953. Said in in 1954 and we lost 1-7  |
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Post by armitage on Oct 12, 2021 12:02:05 GMT
I think the formation is the same as we have played quite a lot under Southgate ie 4-2-3-1. The man missing out is Mount if the three behind Kant is the Citeh trio. Pickford Walker Maguire Stones Trent Rice Foden Shaw Sterling Kane Grealish But ignoring the choice of players, I can’t see Southgate being that adventurous. Of course it would be ok against the rabble we face in qualifying but no chance in the finals. Any 343 would have two of Rice, Phillips, Bellingham and Henderson in the middle of the 4. Pickford Trent Gomez Maguire Shaw Rice Bellingham Foden Sterling Kane Grealish 4213, 433, 4231 or however we interpret it I like the look of that line up going forward and it’s nice to have quality competition too! Yes l like that team too. The only issue (if it is an issue) is that if we're playing Trent and Shaw further back we miss much of their value as crossers (Shaw especially). So l'd say if we were to find ourselves without Grealish in the team (through injury, suspension or loss of form) then l'd suggest going back to 352 for the width. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 12, 2021 12:10:42 GMT
Yawn! How many more weeks is it until the end of the International Break?
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Post by BuzzB on Oct 12, 2021 13:29:27 GMT
Yawn! How many more weeks is it until the end of the International Break? Theres another one W/E 13 November!! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 13:55:27 GMT
Yawn! How many more weeks is it until the end of the International Break? I'm dreading it already. |
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Post by Veritas on Oct 12, 2021 14:50:41 GMT
Much too much boring international football. We hear complaints about player burn out so why have more qualifying games that are absolutely necessary?
55 European countries are chasing 13 qualifying spots and we have five groups of five and five of six with group winners going through and the ten runners up joined by the best two placed countries from the Nations League not already group winners or runners up, keep up!, to play in three further groups to decide the final three places.
Why not have 10 groups of four and three groups of five with just the winners going through. Loads less games, less stress on the players and more chance of a shock knock out of one of the bigger countries, ah yes that's why!
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Post by apb1 on Oct 12, 2021 15:35:01 GMT
Totally agree re the unnecessary fixture pile ups. There are also so many more countries in Europe than back in the day - Yugoslavia has become 6-7, former Soviet Union must be 8-10. We also have the Faroes, San Marino, Gibraltar etc who never used to take part. The thing is the playoffs are actually quite exciting and one of the few qualifying weeks I might bother even watching. But there need to be less games for sure. It's the curse of multi-layered governance. We have FA, PL and EFL in UK, add on layers from FIFA and UEFA and there is no chance of mutual agreement on what's good for the fans or players.
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