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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 9, 2021 12:25:47 GMT
That's going back a decade, I wonder if he still holds his small minded opinion now? For context the subtext of my post was that only a dinosaur would care. I know mate. It was shittest when he lunged around saying it was just banter. It didn't sound like banter it sounded like a rational conversation. Albeit with irrational prejudices. It was also shit when he spoke afterwards and seemed to believe the success of the premier league was because of him.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 9, 2021 13:40:31 GMT
I still think Sean Massey is one of the best liners we had at Stoke in the Premier League. A bloke used to sit near me in block 23 and he spent most of the games she officiated in moaning about her inability to judge offsides or whose throw in it was. Everyone else thought she was mostly spot on. After we had watched her (usually excellent) performance on MOTD he used to get ribbed at the next home match but he was just as bad next time she ran the line. I think moaning about Sean Massey was one of his main hobbies! Sean Massey? Has Sian transitioned? đ Sorry! Getting her confused with the late great Sean Lock - easily done!
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 10, 2021 21:53:55 GMT
The fact this thread hasnât exploded Iâm going to guess all involved had a good game? I didnât actually watch the game so not trying to stir the pot.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Oct 10, 2021 22:04:45 GMT
The fact this thread hasnât exploded Iâm going to guess all involved had a good game? I didnât actually watch the game so not trying to stir the pot. Yes they were on the whole okay. One liner got a couple of offsides wrong and the Ukrainian ref was a bit fussy and determined to instil her stamp on the game but on the whole not much different from what youâd expect and get from male officials.
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Post by tuum on Oct 11, 2021 1:23:46 GMT
There used to be an argument that only a man could understand the subtleties of the man's game in order to ref it. That argument (if it was ever valid) was lost when all subjectivity was removed from the game by the referee's association expectations and the laws of the game being refined to try and make the decisions clear cut with less room for interpretation(except the offside rule which they have made more complicated than it needs to be). Anyone can referee a game. That has never changed but there are more opportunities available for women these days. All you need is a level of physical fitness and a knowledge of the laws and the ability to assert yourself when required. I agree with previous posters that Sian Massey is one of the better liners although I don't know the names of any male liners so I could not tell you which ones are shit and which ones are good. Altho Mr. Cholmondley-Warner was shit in the Stoke v Arsenal FA Cup replay at Goodison Park in the early 70's.
I am in favour of positive discrimination where it is necessary so don't really care too much if the appointment of the female ref to the England game was made for publicity reasons. As long as she met the required standards as set out by FIFA then all is good.
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Post by NassauDave on Oct 11, 2021 2:24:14 GMT
Needless yellow cards but otherwise I thought the whole officials team were excellent.
The cards were just not necessary apart from that Andorran elbow which was a red.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 11, 2021 5:22:44 GMT
On this occasion I think the ref was a little over exuberant and produced some cards that werenât. However, it was refreshing to see players not mouthing off at every decision and basically getting on with it.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 11, 2021 5:53:16 GMT
I donât have an issue with female refs providing they can do the job.
Thought the ref in the England game did a decent job, though it wasnât exactly a baptism of fire in what was a very one sided affair. The real test will come when they have to ref a big game and thereâs a hotly disputed last minute pen with players from both sides chasing them around the pitch trying to intimidate them.
Thereâs a whole lot of difference between being an assistant and ref too. Of course itâs important to get decisions right but whatâs equally important is taking charge and not being bossed by the players especially in the PL with all the egoâs and dramatics.
My biggest concern would be a female ref trying to flex their muscles by giving out cards like confetti to prove theyâre not soft and overcompensating on decisions to prove a point rather than making the common sense decision.
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Post by pottermouth on Oct 11, 2021 6:51:21 GMT
I wouldn't feel comfortable singing "who's the bastard in the black" to a lady, or "the referee's a wanker" come to think of it either. Best start working on it then. Equality comes in many forms If a referee is crap whatever they identify as then itâs fair game imho that they should be subject to criticism or are we now saying we canât criticise because of identity politics? Equality does come in many forms but only in do as I say or elseâŚ
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 11, 2021 6:56:57 GMT
Women will no doubt be perfectly capable of reaching the same low standard of refereeing that we see from men week in, week out.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 11, 2021 7:44:26 GMT
I wouldn't feel comfortable singing "who's the bastard in the black" to a lady, or "the referee's a wanker" come to think of it either. There must be some feminine alternatives that some Neanderthals will devise Iâm sure.
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Post by redstriper on Oct 11, 2021 9:49:03 GMT
I sang "you're supposed to be at home" all the way through it
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 11, 2021 10:09:28 GMT
Best start working on it then. Equality comes in many forms If a referee is crap whatever they identify as then itâs fair game imho that they should be subject to criticism or are we now saying we canât criticise because of identity politics? Equality does come in many forms but only in do as I say or else⌠That's exactly what I was saying albeit in a humorous and generally less aggravated way.
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Post by pottermouth on Oct 11, 2021 10:49:56 GMT
If a referee is crap whatever they identify as then itâs fair game imho that they should be subject to criticism or are we now saying we canât criticise because of identity politics? Equality does come in many forms but only in do as I say or else⌠That's exactly what I was saying albeit in a humorous and generally less aggravated way. Yes I appreciate that- it annoys me - I couldnât care less who referees as long as they get the bulk of decisions correct. If they donât they should be challenged and called out irrespective of how they identify- thatâs all I was saying- perhaps in an aggravated way đ¤.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 11, 2021 11:43:39 GMT
England Game As long as the standard is high quality, no problem Why wouldn't it be? To be fair, the benchmark is lower than a snakes belly.
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Post by meirman61 on Oct 11, 2021 11:58:10 GMT
Needless yellow cards but otherwise I thought the whole officials team were excellent. The cards were just not necessary apart from that Andorran elbow which was a red. F****d my bet up under 3.5
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 11, 2021 19:27:07 GMT
That's exactly what I was saying albeit in a humorous and generally less aggravated way. Yes I appreciate that- it annoys me - I couldnât care less who referees as long as they get the bulk of decisions correct. If they donât they should be challenged and called out irrespective of how they identify- thatâs all I was saying- perhaps in an aggravated way đ¤. I completely agree.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 19:29:21 GMT
I can't wait to see a Male referee in a woman's game.
After all we are after equality.
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Post by pottersrule on Oct 11, 2021 22:51:25 GMT
Who cares what sex a ref is, or what gender identification they chose either for that matter, as long as the individual is of the necessary standard to do the job required of them? It won't be long before we get our first non gender ref or one who prefers not to say.
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Post by madnellie on Oct 12, 2021 1:48:51 GMT
I can't wait to see a Male referee in a woman's game. After all we are after equality. There are loads of male officials in the women's game.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 12, 2021 9:18:02 GMT
I can't wait to see a Male referee in a woman's game. After all we are after equality. There are loads of male officials in the women's game. Donât come on here spouting factual accuraciesâŚ..
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 12, 2021 12:18:40 GMT
I can't wait to see a Male referee in a woman's game. After all we are after equality. There are loads of male officials in the women's game. As well as about half of the WSL managers also being men
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Post by marylandstoke on Oct 12, 2021 12:40:30 GMT
Who cares what sex a ref is, Richard Keys Wasnât Andy Grey involved also? Shame to leave him out if so.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 12, 2021 15:38:57 GMT
I don't know. Possibly the 5 set matches for men were promoted by the grand slam organisers to make them seem a bit more "special." I think a lot of a smaller tournaments would find it difficult to fit in 5 set matches especially if bad weather affected the tournaments. The grand slams have lights and some covered courts which enable a tournament to cope with bad weather better. Lights and covered courts are relatively new though. Anyway it's only really Wimbledon where the weather is a factor
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Post by staffordstokie on Oct 15, 2021 14:05:31 GMT
I coach my daughter's U10 girls team. First time last Saturday we had a female ref, away in Walsall. Absolutely every decision spot on, for both teams. It's a yes from me.
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