|
Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 19, 2021 9:11:00 GMT
We have won four games & you can only say one of them was a convincing win the other 3 were scappy wins which we could have drawn or even lost. I am with March on the last 2 games we need to be beating teams like that if we are serious about being in the top six. Yesterday poor tactics & team selection cost us big time. on the other side of the coin we battered Barnsley and should have won convincingly. I can’t see where the negativity’s come from after 1 bad defeat, Let’s not forget yesterday we were without Smith, Allen and Powell too. It’s not all doom and gloom. I don’t think we’ll go up but i can see us pushing for the playoffs still.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Sept 19, 2021 9:12:09 GMT
Yeah. I think we'll be close. We've had this debate before though - it's admittedly only because it'll be a contest between lots of average teams and there'll be 5 or 6 very flawed, mediocre teams going for the last couple of places. Yes I can remember the debate. I'm less than convinced still. I look at some of the other teams in and around us and whilst I still see more man for man quality in our squad in certain areas (Back three and creativity in midfield) I see more overall balance in other teams and I think that counts for a hell of a lot in this league. I really think it will catch us out over the longer term. We'll see! Looking at the league table, I'm really struggling to pick 6 who look like better bets than us. The whole table is a patternless mess at the moment, apart from the 3 fancied teams at the top (and even West Brom are not looking great and Fulham have lost a couple of very strange games) Who have you got in mind at the moment as surer things than Stoke? We'll have a better idea in a few weeks though
|
|
|
Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 19, 2021 9:13:12 GMT
But we’ve wasted two very very easy games and managed one point. That is relegation form. Hahaha You really are making a form guide from 2 games? Pillock
|
|
|
Post by sheds1862 on Sept 19, 2021 9:17:20 GMT
But we’ve wasted two very very easy games and managed one point. That is relegation form. Very Very easy games You need a reality check, there are no very very easy championship games Of course there are. Blackpool and Reading.............. oh hang on a min
|
|
|
Post by theonlooker on Sept 19, 2021 9:17:38 GMT
Yes I can remember the debate. I'm less than convinced still. I look at some of the other teams in and around us and whilst I still see more man for man quality in our squad in certain areas (Back three and creativity in midfield) I see more overall balance in other teams and I think that counts for a hell of a lot in this league. I really think it will catch us out over the longer term. We'll see! Looking at the league table, I'm really struggling to pick 6 who look like better bets than us. The whole table is a patternless mess at the moment, apart from the 3 fancied teams at the top (and even West Brom are not looking great and Fulham have lost a couple of very strange games) Who have you got in mind at the moment as surer things than Stoke? We'll have a better idea in a few weeks though Bournemouth Fulham West Brom Sheffield United QPR Coventry (dark horse wildcard) I think we'll finish in and around the likes of Huddersfield, Bristol City and Boro as the teams in the chasing pack that just miss out.
|
|
|
Post by greenhoff on Sept 19, 2021 9:21:13 GMT
It's an absolutely nuts league. Low in quality but high in competitiveness and excitement. However you will not do anything without the platform of a decent midfield. Basically we dont have one. We'll have more bad than good days if it's not addressed.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Sept 19, 2021 9:39:09 GMT
We'll see! Looking at the league table, I'm really struggling to pick 6 who look like better bets than us. The whole table is a patternless mess at the moment, apart from the 3 fancied teams at the top (and even West Brom are not looking great and Fulham have lost a couple of very strange games) Who have you got in mind at the moment as surer things than Stoke? We'll have a better idea in a few weeks though Bournemouth Fulham West Brom Sheffield United QPR Coventry (dark horse wildcard) I think we'll finish in and around the likes of Huddersfield, Bristol City and Boro as the teams in the chasing pack that just miss out. I wouldn't necessarily argue with those 6 being right in the mix - but if I was asked to name 3-4 more, I definitely couldn't do it with any confidence at all. The margins are so small between the bulk of the league, it's pretty much a mug's game at the moment without a bigger sample size. QPR look well above-average and may be the best team outside the parachute teams - but still haven't won in 3 (and that included 2 games against Reading and Bristol City) And I'd like to see where Coventry are in 5-6 weeks, and see if Sheff Utd's renaissance continues. People were anointing Birmingham as contenders, and they've come off the rails a bit Not sure Bristol City or Huddersfield would be on the list of contenders yet - but it's still early. I'm not saying we're nailed-on - but I think it'll be close enough with the weakest couple of your 6 plus 4 or 5 others fighting for it until near the end.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 9:51:42 GMT
It's an absolutely nuts league. Low in quality but high in competitiveness and excitement. However you will not do anything without the platform of a decent midfield. Basically we dont have one. We'll have more bad than good days if it's not addressed. Is our first choice midfield really as bad as people are making out?
|
|
|
Post by theonlooker on Sept 19, 2021 9:53:00 GMT
Bournemouth Fulham West Brom Sheffield United QPR Coventry (dark horse wildcard) I think we'll finish in and around the likes of Huddersfield, Bristol City and Boro as the teams in the chasing pack that just miss out. I wouldn't necessarily argue with those 6 being right in the mix - but if I was asked to name 3-4 more, I definitely couldn't do it with any confidence at all. The margins are so small between the bulk of the league, it's pretty much a mug's game at the moment without a bigger sample size. QPR look well above-average and may be the best team outside the parachute teams - but still haven't won in 3 (and that included 2 games against Reading and Bristol City) And I'd like to see where Coventry are in 5-6 weeks, and see if Sheff Utd's renaissance continues. People were anointing Birmingham as contenders, and they've come off the rails a bit Not sure Bristol City or Huddersfield would be on the list of contenders yet - but it's still early. I'm not saying we're nailed-on - but I think it'll be close enough with the weakest couple of your 6 plus 4 or 5 others fighting for it until near the end. I look at it another way. Where I see the tightness is with ourselves and what we do between now and the end of January. Get Campbell back firing and sort out the midfield in January and I think we will be right in the mix. If only one or neither of those happen I can't see anything other than another season of also rans.
|
|
|
Post by ethers26 on Sept 19, 2021 9:59:46 GMT
Should've walked Barnsley if Surridge could finish
Should've got a draw yday if Surridge could finish
When Campbell comes in (hopefully stays fit), these kind of games turn into draws/wins
Not convinced by GK/CDM but we'll be up around it end of the season
Re the easy games, didn't Blackpool beat Fulham right after they'd just dicked us?
|
|
|
Post by greenhoff on Sept 19, 2021 11:41:31 GMT
It's an absolutely nuts league. Low in quality but high in competitiveness and excitement. However you will not do anything without the platform of a decent midfield. Basically we dont have one. We'll have more bad than good days if it's not addressed. Is our first choice midfield really as bad as people are making out? I think it's a big problem. Teams get through us far too easy. Theres no one to provide the bite or urgency. To set the tone.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 11:56:16 GMT
We won’t really have a solid idea who will be in the playoffs until about 30 games in. Even then, there’s rarely large gaps between 6th and 12th.
If we can stay with the same record kind of record, 8: 4-2-2, then we are looking at being around the play-offs with a points total in the 70s.
That’s better than I expected at the beginning of the season.
I honestly don’t understand why people have to go from, “this is the greatest thing of all time”, to “we’re screwed, I hate this crap” in the space of a week (or 90 minutes).
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 12:02:59 GMT
It's an absolutely nuts league. Low in quality but high in competitiveness and excitement. However you will not do anything without the platform of a decent midfield. Basically we dont have one. We'll have more bad than good days if it's not addressed. You will not do anything without the platform of a lot of things. Each team has pretty reasonable holes in quality in their team. If Coventry get an injury to Gyokeres like the one that Campbell suffered, they will be sliding right down the table. A lot of the season relies on keeping your best players fit. I’m just glad that the league cup counts as one game for the domestic ban of Smith, so we can get him back sooner and restore more balance to the team.
|
|
|
Post by yyy on Sept 19, 2021 13:00:29 GMT
We'll still finish top 6 imo, we have a good squad now, we've got Campbell to come back and a January window too to push us on. We just need to start using that strong squad and use a 433 as reguarly as a 532/352, doing so will keep all the players sharp & fresh. 433 will see Doughty & Sima playing in their best positions and Ince has an opportunity to redeem himself, having two formations will also keep the oppo guessing
|
|
|
Post by skip on Sept 19, 2021 14:37:53 GMT
Bit early for that thought to pass your mind, but an awful waste of four points in four days. 5 points? Sorry, yes, 5.
|
|
|
Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 19, 2021 17:43:00 GMT
Am I correct in thinking there was a similar thread last year, cue a disastrous run of form…
|
|
|
Post by scfcwebby on Sept 20, 2021 8:16:09 GMT
Bit early for that thought to pass your mind, but an awful waste of four points in four days. 5 points? 2 wins would have seen us sitting top now by 1 point
|
|
|
Post by Ron on Sept 20, 2021 8:50:19 GMT
Fulham lost to Blackpool recently. These results happen. When we got promoted we had some dire results. We are very clearly making progress. We have a team that looks like it will get results more of them than it doesn’t- which should allow us to push for the playoffs.
One shite performance- keep calm.
|
|
|
Post by neddy on Sept 20, 2021 9:42:24 GMT
I don’t think it’s so much a bad performance but more I don’t think many could agree on what our best 11 is at this moment? I’m not sure MON does yet either.
Mine is
Burzik Smith Leo Harry Wilmot Tymon Allen Vrancic Powell Fletch Sima
This is assuming Campbell still not fit.
|
|
|
Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 20, 2021 10:31:55 GMT
It's a ridiculous league, isn't it? I am confident we can make the top 6, but we really have to be more ruthless. It cost us on Wednesday and I knew (who didn't) we'd get turned over yesterday. A win against Barnsley would have taken some of the pressure of the Derby game. But, we are where we are having been without Powell and Campbell with Sima also looking to make a big impact.
It's just a shame we're already looking at the "what ifs", because we've really missed an opportunity to make a statement. Instead, we're still not sure what we're going to do because we've managed to make it difficult for ourselves.
I don't see many other teams in this league having the options we do, when everyone is fit.
|
|
|
Post by bucknall67 on Sept 20, 2021 10:33:57 GMT
For a team in admin Derby are actually at present just 4 points behind us.
And some on here think we are top 6!!
|
|
|
Post by kev1060 on Sept 20, 2021 11:45:24 GMT
We have a young team, who are prone to making mistakes. Bursik is poor when coming off his line, of that it is clear. He did it twice on Saturday, so should be benched and given one to one coaching to ensure he doesn't do it again. Wilmot needs coaching on how to use his left foot to play balls down the line, as several of his passes when straight into touch on Saturday. Looking back on the highlights on the SCFC website, I didn't quite realise what good chances we spurned on Saturday all in the second half. Surridge again put his one on one straight into the goally's midriff ( as he did twice last Wednesday!), Brown had an easy header to glance away from the goally, but put straight at him. Ince had a clear shot from a cleared corner with no-one anywhere near him in the middle of the goal, but sliced it wide. Wilmot put a header over when he should have tested the goally (At the game I was celebrating a goal there and felt a bit stupid when I realised it had gone over the bar!). All in all, we could have scored a couple more, and should have conceded another as well, but that's how games are in the championship. Don't get too down with the defeat. We should beat Hull on Saturday and the season is up and running again.
|
|
|
Post by hardcastle on Sept 20, 2021 12:35:41 GMT
For a team in admin Derby are actually at present just 4 points behind us. And some on here think we are top 6!! I think you can probably add twelve to that, once they've had the inevitable points deduction?
|
|
|
Post by cmc89 on Sept 20, 2021 16:25:27 GMT
For a team in admin Derby are actually at present just 4 points behind us. And some on here think we are top 6!! With that logic there will only be a top 4 this season?
|
|
|
Post by sensiblestokie on Sept 21, 2021 12:42:36 GMT
A lot of negativity on here. Saying we’re average or mid table for this league. Give your head a wobble.
We’re one of the best teams in the league. Somehow, Tommy Smith being out has just completely rattled our whole set up. We must get a right footer in there, unsure on the new signing but surely he can do a job for a few games. Duhaney?
Campbell to return, Sima looking exciting and needing games to get going, Powell to return properly.
Anyone can lose a game here, look at Fulham everyone said they were head and shoulders above us, losing and drawing games.
We will be up there at the end of the season, also, I think we’ve dominated both games and on other days we come away with 6 points.
No need to be so negative.
|
|