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Post by gingerninja on Sept 11, 2021 19:38:56 GMT
Moving forward I feel it needs to be sorted. I think we've got away with it so far, which has to a degree papered over the cracks, but it may well come back to haunt us not bringing in a CDM.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 11, 2021 19:42:27 GMT
Allen holding. And two of Powell, Vrancic, Sawyers at 8 with licence to join the attack. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Thompson used more as the season progresses in the DM role.
Think Clucas will drift down the pecking order
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 11, 2021 19:51:01 GMT
I thought MON had intimated that the club had tried to secure someone but either he could not get release of who he wanted or the price was too high.
The sale of Collins clearly facilitated terminating some contracts to release players and some purchases. We may have to accept that one or two more of our crown jewels may have to be sold yet to strengthen the squad to promotion standard.
If MON achieves promotion without a major purchase, he would achieve a miracle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 19:51:19 GMT
Allen holding. And two of Powell, Vrancic, Sawyers at 8 with licence to join the attack. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Thompson used more as the season progresses in the DM role. Think Clucas will drift down the pecking order Allen, Powell and one of Vrancic or Sawyers for me. Thompson to come in for Allen when he’s tired. I’d rather change formation if we have to do without Powell for injury than try and shoehorn someone else in there, especially when Campbell is fit again. Play 3-4-3 with Tymon/Doughty and Campbell either side of Sima/Fletcher/Brown/Surridge. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 19:54:03 GMT
I thought MON had intimated that the club had tried to secure someone but either he could not get release of who he wanted or the price was too high. The sale of Collins clearly facilitated terminating some contracts to release players and some purchases. We may have to accept that one or two more of our crown jewels may have to be sold yet to strengthen the squad to promotion standard. If MON achieves promotion without a major purchase, he would achieve a miracle. If he carries on maturing as quickly as he has done since last season (when I wasn’t as much of a fan) I’d imagine the next big sale would be Bursik. I’d imagine we’d ask for a lot more than for Collins as well, and that we’d try and get him back for a season on loan too. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 11, 2021 19:59:26 GMT
I thought MON had intimated that the club had tried to secure someone but either he could not get release of who he wanted or the price was too high. The sale of Collins clearly facilitated terminating some contracts to release players and some purchases. We may have to accept that one or two more of our crown jewels may have to be sold yet to strengthen the squad to promotion standard. If MON achieves promotion without a major purchase, he would achieve a miracle. If he carries on maturing as quickly as he has done since last season (when I wasn’t as much of a fan) I’d imagine the next big sale would be Bursik. I’d imagine we’d ask for a lot more than for Collins as well, and that we’d try and get him back for a season on loan too. That’s true, decent keepers are like rocking horse shit. |
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Post by slother on Sept 11, 2021 20:16:27 GMT
I don't think Bursik's having a great season to be honest, just yet. Happy for him to be #1 but not sure higher clubs would really be interested.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 12, 2021 7:49:06 GMT
I think it would be more of an issue if we were playing 2 CBs but having 3 does help give additional protection.
That said the CM doesn’t look balanced as it’s too lightweight. I’m not saying Cousins was the answer but someone more physical should be who we’re looking for in Jan especially if we want to push on.
Clucas has the physical attributes but goes missing too much, we need a terrier in there. For the time being it’s Allen, Powell and one from Sawyers/Vrancic for me.
The good thing is we won yesterday without potentially 4 of our best players. This season could be special if players keep fit. Add a terrier in Jan and I could see us going up.
We have potentially a very good team on our hands most of whom will be here next season.
Priority is to get Tymon and Powell on new contracts.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 12, 2021 22:39:43 GMT
A middle three, to my mind, is a 6, an 8 and a 10. Of those we have now, Thommo is the closest we have to a 6, though can play 8 too, Allen, Clucas and Sawyers (and TOB) are 8s, and Powell and Vrancic are 10s. It is this imbalance (neither Allen nor Sawyers look comfortable as a 6 behind 2 8s so far) which could cost us. Yes, there are three very good centre backs behind them, but we have ceded control of the middle of the park a bit too easily in a few games so far this season, and no doubt will do in a few others as the weeks go by without doing something about it.
For me, in tough games where we need to try to win the midfield battle and also teams find space behind the wing backs and pull the two outside centre backs wide, we go 4231, with Allen and Thommo/Sawyers as the 2. Not ideal, but we need to get through to January, when a holder should be number one on our shopping list.
Bursik
Smith
Ostigard/Wilmot
Souttar
Fox
Allen
Thompson/Sawyers/Clucas
Campbell/Sima/Brown
Powell/Vrancic
Tymon/Doughty
Fletcher/Surridge
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Post by sensiblestokie on Sept 13, 2021 0:42:15 GMT
As others have said for now it’s Allen, Sawyers/Vranjic and Powell. Maybe even Vranjic covering for Powell rather than competing with Sawyers.
Although I wouldn’t mind trying Thompson, Allen and Powell too. I’m sure a few more games in MON will tweak the midfield and make the most of what we have. Definitely been the most disjointed part of our team so far. But with new players in there will take a little bit of time I’d imagine to tweak to get the best out of.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 13, 2021 6:32:38 GMT
I don't think Bursik's having a great season to be honest, just yet. Happy for him to be #1 but not sure higher clubs would really be interested. Said this to my mate at the game. I’ve no stats to back it up but I feel like we concede more with Bursik then we do with Davies. It’s worth it for now as he’s still only young. |
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Post by sportsman on Sept 13, 2021 6:49:03 GMT
I don't think Bursik's having a great season to be honest, just yet. Happy for him to be #1 but not sure higher clubs would really be interested. Said this to my mate at the game. I’ve no stats to back it up but I feel like we concede more with Bursik then we do with Davies. It’s worth it for now as he’s still only young. I blame the modern day coaches. This drill they do in training based more on quick reactions by quickly drilling balls from side to side to the keeper where they have to keep going one way then the other, often resorting in using their feet. The goal on Saturday should have just been gathered in the hands. With so many players right in front of him the kick could have rebounded off anyone and gone straight back to him in the net. Then it happened again in the match saving with his feet. Neen watching too much of David de gaer. He's a bugger for it as well. |
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Post by potterburt on Sept 13, 2021 6:55:40 GMT
I don't think Bursik's having a great season to be honest, just yet. Happy for him to be #1 but not sure higher clubs would really be interested. Said this to my mate at the game. I’ve no stats to back it up but I feel like we concede more with Bursik then we do with Davies. It’s worth it for now as he’s still only young. Think it’s safe to say that there’s been communication with Bursik that he’s our number 1.That’s what the loan last season was about and Davies’ contract finishes at the end of this season, hence why we brought Bonham in to be the transitionary number 2. I wouldn’t be surprised if we were trying to sort a loan for Davies before the window shut. Stats wise - last season Davies played roughly same amount and had slightly better PPG (points per game) than Bursik. About the same average rating. Bursiks average rating this season is better than both were for last season. This is his true maiden season as number 1. They’ll be some shaker moments and he’ll have a lot to learn and adapt to the pressures. I think it’ll be 2-3 years until a big club come in for him so hopefully by that point we’ll be back up there anyways and with a little elbow and side whispered cautionary tale to Josef that “don’t get ya head turned by ‘bigger’ clubs and end up like that poor Butland lad”. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 13, 2021 6:58:24 GMT
Said this to my mate at the game. I’ve no stats to back it up but I feel like we concede more with Bursik then we do with Davies. It’s worth it for now as he’s still only young. I blame the modern day coaches. This drill they do in training based more on quick reactions by quickly drilling balls from side to side to the keeper where they have to keep going one way then the other, often resorting in using their feet. The goal on Saturday should have just been gathered in the hands. With so many players right in front of him the kick could have rebounded off anyone and gone straight back to him in the net. Then it happened again in the match saving with his feet. Neen watching too much of David de gaer. He's a bugger for it as well. It comes through a lot of players and he for me reacts to it quite well. It’s really close to him as well which makes it difficult to get down to with hands. The issue with the goal for me is the complete lack of reaction from the defence. |
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Post by potterburt on Sept 13, 2021 7:06:55 GMT
Anyways…. all this chatty about keepers…
So… this Midfield Conundrum?
It’s not there yet and seems we were possibly weighed down and hands tied with players we currently have and the ones we wanted not becoming available.
If that’s the case I’m glad we’re waiting and cobbling through, we’ve limped through ever since Allen arrived and since MoN has been here he has tried to adjust/address that midfield. Allen will be gone at the end of the season which will free us up to get a more suitable player in on half the money.
I do find the flip flop on Clucas available to go away for free and then signing a contract rather odd, the only thing I can take from it is that the cost to bring in the alternative was too much or not possible and while Sam was willing to renew we had an easy option which allowed us to look at other targets in other areas.
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Post by Veritas on Sept 13, 2021 7:33:07 GMT
I blame the modern day coaches. This drill they do in training based more on quick reactions by quickly drilling balls from side to side to the keeper where they have to keep going one way then the other, often resorting in using their feet. The goal on Saturday should have just been gathered in the hands. With so many players right in front of him the kick could have rebounded off anyone and gone straight back to him in the net. Then it happened again in the match saving with his feet. Neen watching too much of David de gaer. He's a bugger for it as well. It comes through a lot of players and he for me reacts to it quite well. It’s really close to him as well which makes it difficult to get down to with hands. The issue with the goal for me is the complete lack of reaction from the defence. Bursik knocking it back into the danger zone and the defenders lack of reaction were factors but the key issue for me was the wall which was definitely a man short. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 7:39:53 GMT
Vrancic, Sawyers, Powell.
Job done.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 13, 2021 8:01:35 GMT
I do find the flip flop on Clucas available to go away for free and then signing a contract rather odd, the only thing I can take from it is that the cost to bring in the alternative was too much or not possible and while Sam was willing to renew we had an easy option which allowed us to look at other targets in other areas. It makes sense if he accepted a lower wage right? I thought I'd heard it was this year we were close to fucked on FFP. Knocking off £100k+ from this year to be stuck with him next year could well have been worth it. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 13, 2021 8:02:21 GMT
Vrancic, Sawyers, Powell. Job done. Wouldn't mind seeing that tried but still feels like it needs a 6. Try it on the wrong opponent and we'd get ripped up with that IMO. |
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Post by potterburt on Sept 13, 2021 8:35:11 GMT
I do find the flip flop on Clucas available to go away for free and then signing a contract rather odd, the only thing I can take from it is that the cost to bring in the alternative was too much or not possible and while Sam was willing to renew we had an easy option which allowed us to look at other targets in other areas. It makes sense if he accepted a lower wage right? I thought I'd heard it was this year we were close to fucked on FFP. Knocking off £100k+ from this year to be stuck with him next year could well have been worth it. If that is what’s happened, I guess we can only speculate. Just was odd having MoN saying he’s free to leave one week and then him saying a new contract extension the week after. I can’t see how we could have changed/lowered this seasons contract with him as that contract was already set - unless it was mutually agreed and there’s some sort of promotion bonus set in the new one. Who knows!? 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 13, 2021 9:07:34 GMT
I was chatting to Morgan Gibbs White last night. Nice lad. We were in for him on loan apparently along with Sheffield United and Bournemouth. Sheffield payed a bigger loan fee and so he’s gone there instead. Would he have been better than Sawyers do we think?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 13, 2021 9:11:53 GMT
I was chatting to Morgan Gibbs White last night. Nice lad. We were in for him on loan apparently along with Sheffield United and Bournemouth. Sheffield payed a bigger loan fee and so he’s gone there instead. Would he have been better than Sawyers do we think? He’s more of a number 10 isn’t he? Really good player though. |
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 13, 2021 9:18:40 GMT
I was chatting to Morgan Gibbs White last night. Nice lad. We were in for him on loan apparently along with Sheffield United and Bournemouth. Sheffield payed a bigger loan fee and so he’s gone there instead. Would he have been better than Sawyers do we think? He’s more of a number 10 isn’t he? Really good player though. I honestly don’t know. He’s locally based in Stafford so it would have made sense in that regard. |
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 13, 2021 9:20:51 GMT
He’s more of a number 10 isn’t he? Really good player though. I honestly don’t know. He’s locally based in Stafford so it would have made sense in that regard. Cool story. Did he let out any title bits of info he might have heard about us through the grapevine? |
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 13, 2021 9:26:48 GMT
I honestly don’t know. He’s locally based in Stafford so it would have made sense in that regard. Cool story. Did he let out any title bits of info he might have heard about us through the grapevine? No, a couple of my wolves supporting regulars got all starry eyed when he walked in. Selfies and all sorts going on. When famous folks come in I’d rather leave them alone to be honest, but I got roped into the conversation he was having at the bar once Stoke were mentioned. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 13, 2021 10:13:33 GMT
He’s more of a number 10 isn’t he? Really good player though. I honestly don’t know. He’s locally based in Stafford so it would have made sense in that regard. Yeah it would. He’s definitely more of an attacker than a defender. Very good player though. Too good for this league and not had enough chances in the PL to make a proper judgment there. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 13, 2021 14:27:48 GMT
Vrancic, Sawyers, Powell. Job done. Who’s going to do the water carrying in that midfield? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 13, 2021 14:48:38 GMT
Vrancic, Sawyers, Powell. Job done. Who’s going to do the water carrying in that midfield? How did you think it worked on Saturday? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 15:11:27 GMT
Vrancic, Sawyers, Powell. Job done. Who’s going to do the water carrying in that midfield? Sawyers. I was genuinely excited at the prospect of seeing the starting eleven without Joe Allen. I wasn't disappointed. |
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 13, 2021 15:13:30 GMT
I thought MON had intimated that the club had tried to secure someone but either he could not get release of who he wanted or the price was too high. The sale of Collins clearly facilitated terminating some contracts to release players and some purchases. We may have to accept that one or two more of our crown jewels may have to be sold yet to strengthen the squad to promotion standard. If MON achieves promotion without a major purchase, he would achieve a miracle. If he carries on maturing as quickly as he has done since last season (when I wasn’t as much of a fan) I’d imagine the next big sale would be Bursik. I’d imagine we’d ask for a lot more than for Collins as well, and that we’d try and get him back for a season on loan too. My thoughts exactly |
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