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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 16:13:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 16:13:38 GMT
Surely he has to be dropped soon?
The first half was crying out for someone to make a forward run, an aspect to his game that he’s usually good at. It never came.
He does it once in the second half, then spoons his shot.
Surridge made 2 runs I remember near the beginning of the second half that were crying for Clucas to release it, but he drags it back and passes to Wilmot instead?
For me, that was a woeful performance by him that really dragged the team down. Looking forward to Powell coming back!
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Post by TinkerT on Sept 11, 2021 16:20:32 GMT
Thought he was better than sawyers but both wernt up to much.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 11, 2021 16:28:43 GMT
If only we could play Swansea every week…
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 11, 2021 16:30:41 GMT
For me the midfield balance just isn't right, we have to find a combined which works if we are going to challenge.
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 16:38:23 GMT
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Post by Do it for dobing on Sept 11, 2021 16:38:23 GMT
Should have buried that chance, he didn't have his best game
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 17:07:47 GMT
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Post by Royal Donut on Sept 11, 2021 17:07:47 GMT
Drop him he slows the game, too many back passes. He was telling players around him to calm down, he was just well off pace.
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 11, 2021 17:08:42 GMT
Vintage Clucas performance, pretty much anonymous throughout but should have had a goal at the end.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 11, 2021 17:11:42 GMT
We have a number of threads questioning our midfielders individually. I take no pleasure in this but I predicted it after the first game against Reading.
The balance isn't right at all and it will affect different players in there for different games.
Allen has had it in the neck, today it is Sawyers and Clucas. Powell will get it again no doubt as will Vrancic.
We just need a destroyer in there to compliment the rest and nothing will change until we do IMO.
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 17:15:07 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2021 17:15:07 GMT
We have a number of threads questioning our midfielders individually. I take no pleasure in this but I predicted it after the first game against Reading. The balance isn't right at all and it will affect different players in there for different games. Allen has had it in the neck, today it is Sawyers and Clucas. Powell will get it again no doubt as will Vrancic. We just need a destroyer in there to compliment the rest and nothing will change until we do IMO. Spot on. All 4 today were diabolical tbh.
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 17:19:56 GMT
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Post by stokiedan17 on Sept 11, 2021 17:19:56 GMT
Glad someone else started this. He’s bloody awful and has been since he joined. Lazy, negative, Always let their player get goal side. At fault for 2goals against Fulham. The one thing he can do is shoot and he missed the target when it was easier to bloody score. Sooner we play sawyers alongside Allen the better
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 17:25:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 17:25:05 GMT
We have a number of threads questioning our midfielders individually. I take no pleasure in this but I predicted it after the first game against Reading. The balance isn't right at all and it will affect different players in there for different games. Allen has had it in the neck, today it is Sawyers and Clucas. Powell will get it again no doubt as will Vrancic. We just need a destroyer in there to compliment the rest and nothing will change until we do IMO. But we were poor in possession today, what will bringing in a midfielder who will likely not be good on the ball (as it’s the Championship) do to solve that? I didn’t feel that we were that bad out of possession today, though I do agree that we missed a true defensive midfielder against Fulham.
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 17:30:57 GMT
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Post by spitshaw on Sept 11, 2021 17:30:57 GMT
The balance isn't right at all We just need a destroyer in there to compliment the rest and nothing will change until we do IMO. Feels like we've had this exact problem ever since not long after we bought Allen. It's a very obvious problem I'm not sure why we can't sort it?
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Post by mks1958 on Sept 11, 2021 17:33:45 GMT
Thought he was better than sawyers but both wernt up to much. Thought Sawyers was quality.
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Post by boweryboy on Sept 11, 2021 17:37:00 GMT
Is there a more negative player than Clucas, virtually every pass goes backwards, how did he get a start after the Fulham game, how did he get a two year deal is beyond me, Huddersfield were a far better passing side than us today,why O'Neill gives him a start is worrying,but to not sub him is even more worrying !!
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 11, 2021 17:39:30 GMT
Thought he was better than sawyers but both wernt up to much. Thought Sawyers was quality. Agreed. Sawyers is a proper baller and had a good game
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 17:41:48 GMT
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Post by spongebobflathead on Sept 11, 2021 17:41:48 GMT
Vintage Clucas performance, pretty much anonymous throughout but should have had a goal at the end. This, the only difference being he fucked up his goal chance that would of glossed over what was a very poor performance.
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 11, 2021 17:48:15 GMT
We have a number of threads questioning our midfielders individually. I take no pleasure in this but I predicted it after the first game against Reading. The balance isn't right at all and it will affect different players in there for different games. Allen has had it in the neck, today it is Sawyers and Clucas. Powell will get it again no doubt as will Vrancic. We just need a destroyer in there to compliment the rest and nothing will change until we do IMO. Spot on. All 4 today were diabolical tbh. Utter, steaming horse shit.
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 18:17:12 GMT
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Post by werrington on Sept 11, 2021 18:17:12 GMT
We have a number of threads questioning our midfielders individually. I take no pleasure in this but I predicted it after the first game against Reading. The balance isn't right at all and it will affect different players in there for different games. Allen has had it in the neck, today it is Sawyers and Clucas. Powell will get it again no doubt as will Vrancic. We just need a destroyer in there to compliment the rest and nothing will change until we do IMO. Spot on. All 4 today were diabolical tbh. Oh fuck off Bayern Sometimes you go just too far
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 18:18:41 GMT
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Post by pieofpeter on Sept 11, 2021 18:18:41 GMT
Needs dropping, went missing though the game and gave daft fouls away. Should have taken his chance at the end.
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 18:20:34 GMT
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Post by cr4zyd4ve on Sept 11, 2021 18:20:34 GMT
Needs dropping, went missing though the game and gave daft fouls away. Should have taken his chance at the end. The only thing you can say in his defence, as my mate pointed out after the match, it was very much on his wrong foot. I felt he should have put his foot through it until he reminded me of this!!
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 18:32:41 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2021 18:32:41 GMT
Spot on. All 4 today were diabolical tbh. Oh fuck off Bayern Sometimes you go just too far They were though. We didn’t have a midfield.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 11, 2021 18:35:21 GMT
We have a number of threads questioning our midfielders individually. I take no pleasure in this but I predicted it after the first game against Reading. The balance isn't right at all and it will affect different players in there for different games. Allen has had it in the neck, today it is Sawyers and Clucas. Powell will get it again no doubt as will Vrancic. We just need a destroyer in there to compliment the rest and nothing will change until we do IMO. But we were poor in possession today, what will bringing in a midfielder who will likely not be good on the ball (as it’s the Championship) do to solve that? I didn’t feel that we were that bad out of possession today, though I do agree that we missed a true defensive midfielder against Fulham. It allows you to get a proper foothold in a game and stops the opposition from having much of the ball. If you buy the right one, you can use him to close down certain areas of the pitch. What we're doing is asking players like Allen, Clucas, Sawyers and Vrancic to do more work off the ball than they are accustomed to. Of course, any midfielder has to do his fair share in there but I genuinely think we're taking too much away from certain player's games.
Say we take Clucas out of the side as per your OP, who do we replace him with? Move Sawyers out of the role he played in today? Great, good move. Then what? Allen back in front of the defence to do a job he can't really do? How long then before we are jumping on his back and having a go at him? It's shifting deckchairs on the Titanic territory, and depending on which team has a strong runner either side of the channels will depend on which midfielder gets it in the neck. Today it was Clucas because O'Brien tucks in off the left, plays in the half space between Smith and behind Clucas and in a space that Sawyers just doesn't have the tools to see or act on as a DM. Put a proper ball winner in there and he snuffs him out and allows Clucas to concentrate on playing from a position higher up the pitch.
On a tangent, how long is it before we turn on Ostigard, who is starting to get sucked out into midfield more regularly to cover for the lack of a ball winner?
We had one genuine shot on goal today. How much of that is down to the fact we have faux No. 8's running all over the pitch to covers areas they shouldn't really be in?
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 19:05:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 19:05:02 GMT
But we were poor in possession today, what will bringing in a midfielder who will likely not be good on the ball (as it’s the Championship) do to solve that? I didn’t feel that we were that bad out of possession today, though I do agree that we missed a true defensive midfielder against Fulham. It allows you to get a proper foothold in a game and stops the opposition from having much of the ball. If you buy the right one, you can use him to close down certain areas of the pitch. What we're doing is asking players like Allen, Clucas, Sawyers and Vrancic to do more work off the ball than they are accustomed to. Of course, any midfielder has to do his fair share in there but I genuinely think we're taking too much away from certain player's games. Say we take Clucas out of the side as per your OP, who do we replace him with? Move Sawyers out of the role he played in today? Great, good move. Then what? Allen back in front of the defence to do a job he can't really do? How long then before we are jumping on his back and having a go at him? It's shifting deckchairs on the Titanic territory, and depending on which team has a strong runner either side of the channels will depend on which midfielder gets it in the neck. Today it was Clucas because O'Brien tucks in off the left, plays in the half space between Smith and behind Clucas and in a space that Sawyers just doesn't have the tools to see or act on as a DM. Put a proper ball winner in there and he snuffs him out and allows Clucas to concentrate on playing from a position higher up the pitch.
On a tangent, how long is it before we turn on Ostigard, who is starting to get sucked out into midfield more regularly to cover for the lack of a ball winner? We had one genuine shot on goal today. How much of that is down to the fact we have faux No. 8's running all over the pitch to covers areas they shouldn't really be in?
I think they are all reasonable points and I get the argument for the defensive aspect to it. Having someone mop up the play is important. I personally felt that Allen had been okay (not great) there this season and that he would work okay there for the season. I’d have dropped Clucas and had Sawyers in that position instead, if Allen were fit enough. He was wasted sitting the other side of Campbell to Souttar as he could barely get on the ball in space. If all are fit, I think that Powell, Allen and Sawyers offer the mix of defensive work rate (Allen), passing range (Sawyers) and directness in attack (Powell). If you play with 3 at the back and a pure out and out defensive midfielder, you’re attacking output would be imbalanced surely, which would wear thin at home as well.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 11, 2021 19:50:29 GMT
It allows you to get a proper foothold in a game and stops the opposition from having much of the ball. If you buy the right one, you can use him to close down certain areas of the pitch. What we're doing is asking players like Allen, Clucas, Sawyers and Vrancic to do more work off the ball than they are accustomed to. Of course, any midfielder has to do his fair share in there but I genuinely think we're taking too much away from certain player's games. Say we take Clucas out of the side as per your OP, who do we replace him with? Move Sawyers out of the role he played in today? Great, good move. Then what? Allen back in front of the defence to do a job he can't really do? How long then before we are jumping on his back and having a go at him? It's shifting deckchairs on the Titanic territory, and depending on which team has a strong runner either side of the channels will depend on which midfielder gets it in the neck. Today it was Clucas because O'Brien tucks in off the left, plays in the half space between Smith and behind Clucas and in a space that Sawyers just doesn't have the tools to see or act on as a DM. Put a proper ball winner in there and he snuffs him out and allows Clucas to concentrate on playing from a position higher up the pitch.
On a tangent, how long is it before we turn on Ostigard, who is starting to get sucked out into midfield more regularly to cover for the lack of a ball winner? We had one genuine shot on goal today. How much of that is down to the fact we have faux No. 8's running all over the pitch to covers areas they shouldn't really be in?
I think they are all reasonable points and I get the argument for the defensive aspect to it. Having someone mop up the play is important. I personally felt that Allen had been okay (not great) there this season and that he would work okay there for the season. I’d have dropped Clucas and had Sawyers in that position instead, if Allen were fit enough. He was wasted sitting the other side of Campbell to Souttar as he could barely get on the ball in space. If all are fit, I think that Powell, Allen and Sawyers offer the mix of defensive work rate (Allen), passing range (Sawyers) and directness in attack (Powell). If you play with 3 at the back and a pure out and out defensive midfielder, you’re attacking output would be imbalanced surely, which would wear thin at home as well. Fair points also. I think we all fall into the trap of thinking "attacking midfield = loads of chances, defensive midfielder = dearth of chances" at times. It doesn't have to be like that and a good defensive midfielder in any system can transform the side and allow your attacking players to flourish, where a lack of one can potentially make them more blunt. Take today, three forward thinking midfielders - one real chance on goal in 90 minutes. Obviously loads of variables can cause that, and you have to be careful of falling into the other trap of thinking that adding in a player that suits your agenda will change everything. I just think over the course and distance a bona fide ball winner in there changes the dynamic of the two wide centre halves, giving them the freedom to step into midfield more with the ball, and it releases the two wider 8s in midfield to be further up the pitch where they can affect the game more. It also gets the wing backs higher up the pitch. See today with Huddersfield and Hogg.
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 20:07:44 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Sept 11, 2021 20:07:44 GMT
It allows you to get a proper foothold in a game and stops the opposition from having much of the ball. If you buy the right one, you can use him to close down certain areas of the pitch. What we're doing is asking players like Allen, Clucas, Sawyers and Vrancic to do more work off the ball than they are accustomed to. Of course, any midfielder has to do his fair share in there but I genuinely think we're taking too much away from certain player's games. Say we take Clucas out of the side as per your OP, who do we replace him with? Move Sawyers out of the role he played in today? Great, good move. Then what? Allen back in front of the defence to do a job he can't really do? How long then before we are jumping on his back and having a go at him? It's shifting deckchairs on the Titanic territory, and depending on which team has a strong runner either side of the channels will depend on which midfielder gets it in the neck. Today it was Clucas because O'Brien tucks in off the left, plays in the half space between Smith and behind Clucas and in a space that Sawyers just doesn't have the tools to see or act on as a DM. Put a proper ball winner in there and he snuffs him out and allows Clucas to concentrate on playing from a position higher up the pitch.
On a tangent, how long is it before we turn on Ostigard, who is starting to get sucked out into midfield more regularly to cover for the lack of a ball winner? We had one genuine shot on goal today. How much of that is down to the fact we have faux No. 8's running all over the pitch to covers areas they shouldn't really be in?
I think they are all reasonable points and I get the argument for the defensive aspect to it. Having someone mop up the play is important. I personally felt that Allen had been okay (not great) there this season and that he would work okay there for the season. I’d have dropped Clucas and had Sawyers in that position instead, if Allen were fit enough. He was wasted sitting the other side of Campbell to Souttar as he could barely get on the ball in space. If all are fit, I think that Powell, Allen and Sawyers offer the mix of defensive work rate (Allen), passing range (Sawyers) and directness in attack (Powell). If you play with 3 at the back and a pure out and out defensive midfielder, you’re attacking output would be imbalanced surely, which would wear thin at home as well. I agree with your post. Sawyers worked hard today and made lots of mistakes, but he is clearly a class player; he needs match time to sharpen his game. Allen has done his job so far this season and we need to stick with him till we buy or develop someone better for that holding MF role. Clucas is one of my least favourite players. His only contribution is goals and if he isn't scoring he doesn't justify his place. For me he does not contribute enough in open play, assists, or defending.
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 20:08:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 20:08:56 GMT
I think they are all reasonable points and I get the argument for the defensive aspect to it. Having someone mop up the play is important. I personally felt that Allen had been okay (not great) there this season and that he would work okay there for the season. I’d have dropped Clucas and had Sawyers in that position instead, if Allen were fit enough. He was wasted sitting the other side of Campbell to Souttar as he could barely get on the ball in space. If all are fit, I think that Powell, Allen and Sawyers offer the mix of defensive work rate (Allen), passing range (Sawyers) and directness in attack (Powell). If you play with 3 at the back and a pure out and out defensive midfielder, you’re attacking output would be imbalanced surely, which would wear thin at home as well. Fair points also. I think we all fall into the trap of thinking "attacking midfield = loads of chances, defensive midfielder = dearth of chances" at times. It doesn't have to be like that and a good defensive midfielder in any system can transform the side and allow your attacking players to flourish, where a lack of one can potentially make them more blunt. Take today, three forward thinking midfielders - one real chance on goal in 90 minutes. Obviously loads of variables can cause that, and you have to be careful of falling into the other trap of thinking that adding in a player that suits your agenda will change everything. I just think over the course and distance a bona fide ball winner in there changes the dynamic of the two wide centre halves, giving them the freedom to step into midfield more with the ball, and it releases the two wider 8s in midfield to be further up the pitch where they can affect the game more. It also gets the wing backs higher up the pitch. See today with Huddersfield and Hogg. Does Allen not give that though? He’s primarily been sitting in that tidy up role. Could Thompson not feature there in his stead? If Allen was fit today, doesn’t that allow for Sawyers and Vrancic to move up the pitch and be more free to find space as you suggest? My point is that I feel we have the personnel, but we definitely didn’t make proper use of them today. My team would just rarely feature Clucas, barring a Swansea return fixture. I didn’t feel that Huddersfield were more balanced than we were, and felt that they really just came to keep it tight and nick one. They became a bit more expressive when they were losing. Overall, it was a really congested midfield, with both teams playing a similar formation and relatively high lines. We are still without two strikers and our most creative attacking midfielder as well.
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Clucas
Sept 11, 2021 20:11:59 GMT
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Post by lordb on Sept 11, 2021 20:11:59 GMT
Anonymous first half Energetic second half, got himself forward but should have scored
He's frustrating because he can do it.
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Post by yyy on Sept 11, 2021 20:14:34 GMT
I like clucas, he can be a match winner. He can do nothing then score a goal, if he was on his left foot today he would have scored that.
Centre mid to me looks full of decent parts that don't work as a unit. I was happy to see Sawyers go off today to be replaced by Allen, play him in his best role ffs.
I think we are lacking a defensive Centre mid to add a balance to the three.
Sawyers or Vrancic or Powell advanced Clucas or Thompson or Allen Standard Centre mid We're missing a defensive central midfield imo to make up a balanced 3, a presence that battles and tackles, I think that will cost us points.
However we're currently third
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 12, 2021 14:07:40 GMT
He’s just another in a long line of decent players given scant recognition or worse by fans who later on will reminisce anonymous what a destiny player he was
Oestagard gets nigh on cult status because he bears his chest he Amy or may not prove to be a true legend but this season cocoa has been a equally important cog in as many wins
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Clucas
Sept 12, 2021 14:18:37 GMT
Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 12, 2021 14:18:37 GMT
After extending his contract,I can't see MON dropping him.
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