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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 29, 2021 15:59:33 GMT
Fulham and West Brom top of Championship
Norwich bottom of the Prem.
Is promotion and relegation becoming a closed shop like the top 6 in Prem?
These clubs are smart with their finances - dont over in the Prem and keep their squads together - too good for Champ and too shit for Prem.
Its another case of money ruining competition in football.
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Post by TheBra1n on Aug 29, 2021 16:13:29 GMT
it was like that when we went up and everyone outside of Stoke-on-trent thought we come straight back down
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Post by zerps on Aug 29, 2021 16:13:32 GMT
There’s always been a few clubs that have done this. We made a better fist of it in the prem than most.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 29, 2021 16:26:10 GMT
It might seem exciting and each season there's something toplay for etc....
In reality, if it was us, there'd be an ongoing angry inquest to discover why We couldn't stay up and establish ourselves
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 29, 2021 16:32:45 GMT
Arsenal are rock bottom of the Premier League
(Just chucking it in because I’m not sure how much longer we’ll get to say it)
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Post by Veritas on Aug 29, 2021 16:40:20 GMT
Arsenal are rock bottom of the Premier League (Just chucking it in because I’m not sure how much longer we’ll get to say it) Now it had been said it can't be unsaid and is a statement of fact for ever. |
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Post by Veritas on Aug 29, 2021 16:41:09 GMT
And Norwich next up in a relegation 6 pointer!!
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Post by zerps on Aug 29, 2021 16:50:45 GMT
Arsenal would get kicked all over the place in the championship
Please let it happen
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 29, 2021 16:53:06 GMT
And Norwich next up in a relegation 6 pointer!! Minus 9 goal difference after 3 games! Screaming relegation fodder👀 |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 29, 2021 16:55:56 GMT
We tend to be more of a yo club, as the string gets cut before we can recoil back up.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 29, 2021 17:05:54 GMT
Arsenal are rock bottom of the Premier League (Just chucking it in because I’m not sure how much longer we’ll get to say it) ……And Spurs are top…… I wonder how many Spurs fans will make the premier league table standings, their screensaver just for posterity!!? 😁 |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 29, 2021 17:10:29 GMT
Brentford would disagree that promotion to the Prem is a closed shop - weren't children still sent up chimneys to sweep them when Brentford were last in the top flight?  |
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Post by armitage on Aug 29, 2021 17:24:51 GMT
Greengrocers' apostrophe Lakey - your standards are clearly slipping !
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Post by TinkerT on Aug 29, 2021 17:32:47 GMT
Norwich wolves and one more for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 17:35:41 GMT
I thought was a meet up for YoYo enthusiasts. Maybe next time.
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Post by march4 on Aug 29, 2021 17:37:32 GMT
Yo yo clubs - another consequence of the ridiculous anti-competition rules known as FFP.
Clubs with the financial clout to stay in the Prem can’t spend their money to get out of the Championship.
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Post by holdmedelilah on Aug 29, 2021 17:42:09 GMT
Arsenal are rock bottom of the Premier League (Just chucking it in because I’m not sure how much longer we’ll get to say it) ‘ …rock bottom…’ . I’ve nothing to add, I’m just savouring it |
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Post by santy on Aug 29, 2021 20:03:36 GMT
A lot of the teams who become yo-yo clubs tend to be the sides who won't compromise on what it actually takes to survive when they go up and so come straight back down because all of a sudden that attacking edge they had in the Championship is average or lower in the premier league and the attacking play they in turn come up against is superior.
Looking at Fulham yesterday, despite a poor game from us there were still a number of times when you could see a better team would have opened them up. You wouldn't particularly want any of their back 4 + keeper in the Premier League. They aren't going to focus the defence once they go up and so it will likely be rinse and repeat.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 29, 2021 21:45:15 GMT
Burnley have made a decent fist of it, a bit like us - no one likes them and thinks the football is shit, not sure how long they can keep pulling it off though. Gouranga.  |
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Aug 29, 2021 22:18:21 GMT
There’s always been a few clubs that have done this. We made a better fist of it in the prem than most. We did but they were moaning bitches 😉 |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 29, 2021 22:19:21 GMT
Burnley have made a decent fist of it, a bit like us - no one likes them and thinks the football is shit, not sure how long they can keep pulling it off though. Gouranga. Burnley did yo yo for a season or two soon after we got to the Prem. |
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 29, 2021 22:39:58 GMT
Brentford would disagree that promotion to the Prem is a closed shop - weren't children still sent up chimneys to sweep them when Brentford were last in the top flight? Ask fans of your local club. 3 wins out of 3 in their only season in the top flight yet still got relegated. BM |
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Post by callas12 on Aug 29, 2021 23:43:50 GMT
Was watching Norwich on MoTD Saturday night & thought how boring it must be being a Norwich fan. Yeah I get they get to have a promotion party every other season but do they actually even celebrate getting promotion these days as they know the following season they'll get relegated again!
I mean during the summer transfer window following a promotion they are only ever going to be able to attract a certain calibre of player as anyone half decent knows they'll be going there for a relegation battle!
I know other people may have differing views on the yo-yo model & some may wish we were a WBA or Norwich styled team in that respect. But the last 2x Prem seasons aside, I actually liked the way Stoke attacked the Prem & as the seasons rolled by we were definitely as established as any other team in there were at that time were.
Ultimately being such an established Premier League team for such a continued period was probably our biggest downfall when it came to bouncing back after relegation. We had a squad full of high paid so called 'top class' players who were literally stuck with a now Championship club, Shakiri the only real exception.
When WBA & Norwich keep yo-yo'ing between the leagues they always re-enter the Championship with a nucleus of battle hardened pro's who know what the Champos all about. Our lot were literally rabbit in the headlight mentality & not one signing in them initial transfer windows under Rowett were ever going to change our DNA in that respect.
Still, I'd rather have had the 10 years in the Premier League we had & all that went with that at the time including FA Final & Europa League adventure than constantly morphing between the 2x leagues & always scrapping for Premier League survival.. Like WBA & Norwich are constantly doing.
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Post by boothenboys1863 on Aug 30, 2021 7:57:40 GMT
It might seem exciting and each season there's something toplay for etc.... In reality, if it was us, there'd be an ongoing angry inquest to discover why We couldn't stay up and establish ourselves Establish ourselves as what? A mid table premier league team? Not winning anything, no excitement, season over in January after we’re knocked out of both cups. Can’t get anywhere near the top 6 but won’t go down.. that’s boring and pointless. I’d prefer keep going up and down like the others at least it’s more fun |
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 30, 2021 8:46:39 GMT
Who’s the winner, a club who gains promotion to the promised land only to suffer relegation or a premier league club that is steadily mid table with the possibility of a decent cup run and a occasional jaunt into Europe ? Without the backing of Bet365 Stoke City would possibly be bankrupt with the possibility that the club could even exist, that’s a lot to show for a decade in the premier league. Whilst the so called yo-yo clubs are constantly banking the prize money for promotion and all the that goes with it, and then as a added bonus they have the cushion of parachute payments ,
By establishing yourself in the premier league you are just placing your neck in the noose, you spend to survive and the longer you survive the more you spend !
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Post by moon on Aug 30, 2021 9:09:30 GMT
Norwich wolves and one more for me. Wolves were excellent yesterday despite the loss, if they can play like that for most of the season I think they'll finish in the top half, they were very unlucky not to take anything from the game.
Norwich, Burnley, and Southampton/Palace for me. I'd like Norwich to stay up though.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 30, 2021 9:41:40 GMT
it was like that when we went up and everyone outside of Stoke-on-trent thought we come straight back down Yes but we stayed there for 10 years. The thing with west brom, Norwich, Fulham, is they'll probably always keep doing this. Nothing clubs 😁😜 |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 30, 2021 11:08:45 GMT
Norwich wolves and one more for me. Wolves were excellent yesterday despite the loss, if they can play like that for most of the season I think they'll finish in the top half, they were very unlucky not to take anything from the game. Norwich, Burnley, and Southampton/Palace for me. I'd like Norwich to stay up though.
Wolves have played well in all 3 games and had little luck. If Traore coukd finish he would be a £70 million player As long as they keep Dyche, Burnley will probably stay up though it does seem to be getting closer each season I reckon 3 from the 3 that went up, Palace and possibly Newcastle. Again I feel Bruce has enough about him to keep them up though |
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 30, 2021 12:45:47 GMT
It might seem exciting and each season there's something toplay for etc.... In reality, if it was us, there'd be an ongoing angry inquest to discover why We couldn't stay up and establish ourselves Establish ourselves as what? A mid table premier league team? Not winning anything, no excitement, season over in January after we’re knocked out of both cups. Can’t get anywhere near the top 6 but won’t go down.. that’s boring and pointless. I’d prefer keep going up and down like the others at least it’s more fun I refer you to my previous post |
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 30, 2021 13:34:57 GMT
Stoke are just the YO - we stayed up longer, but we are also destined to stay down longer too!
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