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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 28, 2021 15:55:20 GMT
5 totally out thought by Silva, played our press like a fiddle. We were outplayed and Fulham looked streets ahead of us. Gouranga.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 28, 2021 16:16:03 GMT
It's got to be 5.
But I wonder, in terms of useable wage bills (now we've had our clear-out) if theirs is potentially double ours (maybe considerably more)
So it's hard to be massively critical. Just too good
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 28, 2021 16:20:31 GMT
6/10
Got the starting XI right I think- no complaints there, but should have reacted earlier to Clucas's non-performance.
Not sure what else he could have done really. They were so much better than us that any changes he made would have been like re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 28, 2021 16:36:13 GMT
Not his greatest day. Just because an opposition has better players doesn’t automatically mean you lose a game - our 10 years in the PL is testament to that. We didn’t impose ourselves and niggle them out of their stride. Needed a different type of performance today but he didn’t adapt.
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Post by potterfox1011 on Aug 28, 2021 16:57:45 GMT
Has to be starting with Sturridge with his pace and eye for goal.fletcher has to be no more than an impact player now .clucas is a nothing player that should have gone.bad day all round but with doughy and sawyers the team will improve let's not forget how well MON has done
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 28, 2021 17:35:05 GMT
6 I think.
In hindsight starting Fletch/Clucas was wrong but pregame could have made an argument for them, hence 6 instead of lower. But I kept 6 because he stopped us panicking once we went down.
To have Osti and then Wilmot throw so many stinkers couldn't really be prepared for IMO.
Failed to respond quickly enough for me though, can't see any way to justify above 6.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 28, 2021 17:57:04 GMT
4 - clueless when it comes to subs
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 28, 2021 19:02:10 GMT
The only part of the starting line up i'd question is leaving Surridge out. I get we're trying to ease him in after a lukewarm pre season with Bournemouth but we have a long break now, and I always feel we press more from the front with him and Brown (on limited evidence granted...). Infact, I've got to say i've been disappointed with Fletcher post injury last season and there is a clear step change for me when he enters the field. We drop off more, we lack intensity higher up the pitch and I always think we look far less threatening.
If we are going to play with this midfield monstrosity then we simply have to be far more aggressive far higher up the pitch to try and force the opposition to bypass it completely, or at the very least try and get them to rush their passes out.
6/10.
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Post by maine on Aug 28, 2021 19:08:27 GMT
I'd say 6. I still think Fletcher (when fit) should start, mainly for his ability to link play and spot a pass (even if he didn't complete too many today). I get that Surridge has 'fox in the box' type qualities, but don't understand why people on here seem to think he offers pace. I really don't see it myself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2021 19:09:37 GMT
6 very much a case of players not doing the simple things at times and too sloppy v a good side. Not necessarily the selection or formation
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Post by boweryboy on Aug 28, 2021 19:13:52 GMT
Should have started with the team that finished, how Clucas starts is beyond comprehension,took him far to long to react to all three !!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2021 19:35:46 GMT
It was clear Clucas or Vrancic had to come off at half time.
He needs to be more proactive with his subs.
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Post by bangorstokie on Aug 28, 2021 19:49:40 GMT
5. MON has to shake it up. Those players who under perform have to be dropped to the bench. Clucas, Fletcher, to be replaced by Sawyers and Surridge. What’s the point of having competition for positions in the side if you don’t use them.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 28, 2021 20:44:26 GMT
5 totally out thought by Silva, played our press like a fiddle. We were outplayed and Fulham looked streets ahead of us. Gouranga. Sorry Albert. Was MON responsible for 2nd rate passing & lack of spacious/defensive awareness from a core of the team? We continually provided Fulham with gilt edged opportunities to demonstrate their quality. Not the Manager, individual players
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Post by lordb on Aug 28, 2021 21:01:12 GMT
4 - clueless when it comes to subs All three made a difference
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2021 21:26:12 GMT
4 - clueless when it comes to subs All three made a difference Sawyers was way too late. We were 2-0 by the time he decided to make it. Should have been done at half time. It was clear it needed to happen and by the time he did do it the game was over.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 28, 2021 22:05:21 GMT
All three made a difference Sawyers was way too late. We were 2-0 by the time he decided to make it. Should have been done at half time. It was clear it needed to happen and by the time he did do it the game was over. Agreed, too many managers give a poor performing player 15-20 minutes second half to improve when it’s clear they should be replaced at half time. Clucas was abysmal.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 28, 2021 22:43:27 GMT
Don't really see what he could do as they're a much better team currently.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2021 22:51:16 GMT
Don't really see what he could do as they're a much better team currently. I mean that’s no excuse is it?
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Post by moon on Aug 29, 2021 6:03:38 GMT
5
I can understand him sticking with a winning team but he could’ve changed things at half time when we were lucky to be only 1-0 down.
Clucas, Allen, Vrancic, Ostigard, Smith, Fletcher all had off days. In hindsight he should’ve brought on Sawyers and Thompson at HT for Clucas and Vrancic. Doughty looked very lively when he came on.
I don’t blame MON for the loss though, Fulham were better than us all over the pitch and it probably wouldn’t have made much difference however he changed it with the players he had available on the day.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 29, 2021 6:16:23 GMT
Not his greatest day. Just because an opposition has better players doesn’t automatically mean you lose a game - our 10 years in the PL is testament to that. We didn’t impose ourselves and niggle them out of their stride. Needed a different type of performance today but he didn’t adapt. Problem being we no longer have those type of players
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Post by boweryboy on Aug 29, 2021 8:53:18 GMT
Problem was they targeted our right side as being our weakness,all the goals came from that side, Clucas and Smith were having their arses smacked first half,and we were lucky it was only one nil,Clucas disappears when the going gets tough and Smith is a joke at defending, don't know what Mon was seeing first half, but to send them out again at half time to watch the same thing happen again was piss poor by him, eventually he did hook them far too late,the game was over by then...and to start with a thirty six year old centre forward is beyond comprehension,when he should be getting the last twenty minutes at best.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 30, 2021 9:05:59 GMT
5-beaten by the better side
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Post by paulstoke1 on Aug 30, 2021 9:15:01 GMT
5 Fletcher shouldn't start hes not better than surrage .his subs were OK tbh .there forwards we're too good for our young defence but they will get better
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 30, 2021 19:41:18 GMT
With the formation he was going for the team was fine, but the result was to them playing really well/them being better than us/too many players having a poor day.
My only complain about MON is the formation. At times using a different formation may cause the other team not being ready for that. Even playing the same as Fulham - 4-2-3-1 may have worked.
6
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Post by retrostoke on Aug 30, 2021 20:08:18 GMT
I never understand this weekly thread. 7-9 if we win and 3-6 if we lose. What’s the point. Just an excuse for more pointless bitching from keyboard managers
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 30, 2021 20:59:30 GMT
I never understand this weekly thread. 7-9 if we win and 3-6 if we lose. What’s the point. Just an excuse for more pointless bitching from keyboard managers I mean with that logic what’s the point in any of the threads ? Or even a message board ? That’s what it’s about different opinions.
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