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Post by PotterLog on Aug 19, 2021 17:30:39 GMT
For anyone interested. It's mostly technical stuff and clarifications about things like VAR protocol but there a couple of fairly significant changes to the handball rule. Firstly it's no longer an offence if a goal-scoring opportunity is created by the ball accidentally hitting a player's hand/arm. And secondly they've slightly changed the "arm making the body unnaturally bigger" thing - previously having the arm above shoulder level was automatically an offence, whereas the wording is now "when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation." So in theory that allows for a bit more wiggle room for a sensible ref in the case of players raising their arms to gain leverage when jumping, for example. Basically the ref is a bit more at liberty to make a subjective judgement based on the circumstance. Old:  New:  downloads.theifab.com/downloads/changes-to-the-laws-of-the-game-2021-22-pdf?l=en |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 17:33:26 GMT
Where does it say : "These changes don't apply in the case of Stoke City FC" ?  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 19, 2021 18:04:07 GMT
I've always wanted to see changes (or at least an extended trial in friendlies or less important competitions) in the offside rule.
Presumably the rule exists so that forward would not " camp" up front .....unless someone can explain otherwise.
Clearly without the rule the game would be completely different.
The experiment that I would like to see is a 25/ 30 yard line up to which forwards could not be offside.....basically " the foot ( rather than any part of the body?) Cannot enter beyond the 25 yard line unless the ball is already in there"
Obviously I get the argument....no need to change, why tamper with it etc.....but I would like the experiment......I think it might open play up a bit, and possibly could make offside decision making a little bit easier.
Perhaps it has already been trialled....I know it has been muted before.....I'm sure someone will let me know.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 19, 2021 18:11:24 GMT
I've always wanted to see changes (or at least an extended trial in friendlies or less important competitions) in the offside rule. Presumably the rule exists so that forward would not " camp" up front .....unless someone can explain otherwise. Clearly without the rule the game would be completely different. The experiment that I would like to see is a 25/ 30 yard line up to which forwards could not be offside.....basically " the foot ( rather than any part of the body?) Cannot enter beyond the 25 yard line unless the ball is already in there" Obviously I get the argument....no need to change, why tamper with it etc.....but I would like the experiment......I think it might open play up a bit, and possibly could make offside decision making a little bit easier. Perhaps it has already been trialled....I know it has been muted before.....I'm sure someone will let me know. I feel like I've read that it was trialled in the anarchic pre-MLS days in the States. Dunno if it would open up the game really, it would force teams to defend a lot deeper. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 19, 2021 18:42:35 GMT
I've always wanted to see changes (or at least an extended trial in friendlies or less important competitions) in the offside rule. Presumably the rule exists so that forward would not " camp" up front .....unless someone can explain otherwise. Clearly without the rule the game would be completely different. The experiment that I would like to see is a 25/ 30 yard line up to which forwards could not be offside.....basically " the foot ( rather than any part of the body?) Cannot enter beyond the 25 yard line unless the ball is already in there" Obviously I get the argument....no need to change, why tamper with it etc.....but I would like the experiment......I think it might open play up a bit, and possibly could make offside decision making a little bit easier. Perhaps it has already been trialled....I know it has been muted before.....I'm sure someone will let me know. For me a very simple change to offside would be clear space between attacker and defender for it to be offside. Clear space being defined as seeing daylight. |
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Post by dirtclod on Aug 19, 2021 19:42:44 GMT
I've always wanted to see changes (or at least an extended trial in friendlies or less important competitions) in the offside rule. Presumably the rule exists so that forward would not " camp" up front .....unless someone can explain otherwise. Clearly without the rule the game would be completely different. The experiment that I would like to see is a 25/ 30 yard line up to which forwards could not be offside.....basically " the foot ( rather than any part of the body?) Cannot enter beyond the 25 yard line unless the ball is already in there" Obviously I get the argument....no need to change, why tamper with it etc.....but I would like the experiment......I think it might open play up a bit, and possibly could make offside decision making a little bit easier. Perhaps it has already been trialled....I know it has been muted before.....I'm sure someone will let me know. For me a very simple change to offside would be clear space between attacker and defender for it to be offside. Clear space being defined as seeing daylight. When I played during High School here in the US - that was the exact rule they enforced. As a consequence I don't recall offsides being much of a debate. I recall getting that explanation from a ref to myself. (Even if I didn't WANT to hear it at the time - and he needed a new glasses prescription) So I'd have to say that the rule worked for us. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 19, 2021 19:55:51 GMT
I've always wanted to see changes (or at least an extended trial in friendlies or less important competitions) in the offside rule. Presumably the rule exists so that forward would not " camp" up front .....unless someone can explain otherwise. Clearly without the rule the game would be completely different. The experiment that I would like to see is a 25/ 30 yard line up to which forwards could not be offside.....basically " the foot ( rather than any part of the body?) Cannot enter beyond the 25 yard line unless the ball is already in there" Obviously I get the argument....no need to change, why tamper with it etc.....but I would like the experiment......I think it might open play up a bit, and possibly could make offside decision making a little bit easier. Perhaps it has already been trialled....I know it has been muted before.....I'm sure someone will let me know. They had that line in NASL, apparently worked well enough and as you suggest opens the game up a bit |
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Post by Gods on Aug 19, 2021 20:02:02 GMT
Sounds good.
I like no longer making it automatic handball if the ball strikes your arm above the head.
Ever tried jumping without your arms going up in the air ??
I did it once pogo'ing at a Sham 69 gig but it's not easy !!
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Post by walrus on Aug 19, 2021 20:20:09 GMT
Everyone is crowing about how much better the new interpretation of VAR has been so far this season, as if it’s some kind of turning point for VAR.
The irony being that the VARs seem desperate to not overrule the on pitch referee.
So what people are so delighted to see is in fact the absence of VAR.
It was a dreadful idea five years ago and it still is. Just get rid.
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