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Post by spitthedog on Aug 10, 2021 21:44:47 GMT
MON: Tom obviously had a disappointing season last season, went on loan in January and unfortunately the loan was disrupted by an injury that required surgery.
He's come back and worked extremely hard. It was good for him to get 90 minutes tonight.
Tom's a very talented player. He has to find his best form, of course he does like any of the other players. But I'm pleased for him tonight because he trains hard, he works hard, he has a good attitude, he's a good professional. It was good to see him on the pitch again.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 10, 2021 21:48:45 GMT
…and if anyone is daft enough to make a half reasonable offer, I’ll drive him there myself…
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 10, 2021 21:50:22 GMT
It's a mystery what his problem is.
All the managers seem to have liked him and never criticised his professionalism at all.
All the local press say he's a nice guy and popular squad member.
He's had no meaningful injuries until the one late last year at Luton, so physically he should be fine
He didn't come across as a shy, retiring figure lacking self-confidence during his spells at Derby and Blackpool when he had one of the best records in the diviion....until, it seems, he showed up here?
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 10, 2021 21:50:53 GMT
Played well tonight to be fair- even though his inclusion at right wing-back was something of an eyebrow raiser.
Wasn't ever going to get tested defensively, but he got forward well and did his usual 'cut inside' trick to good effect.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 21:51:10 GMT
Tom Ince has always had what it takes to be an asset in this division.
Yes he has been less than impressive for us but if MON wants for keep him in and around the first team, and gets him playing something like his best, he will be good to have around.
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Post by franklin on Aug 10, 2021 21:53:26 GMT
Played well tonight to be fair- even though his inclusion at right wing-back was something of an eyebrow raiser. Wasn't ever going to get tested defensively, but he got forward well and did his usual 'cut inside' trick to good effect. He did and the one time he went on the outside he created the first goal if only he did it more often. |
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Post by thehoof on Aug 10, 2021 21:55:19 GMT
How long do we have to wait for him to play his best? He’s had 3 years and played well for 4 months. Tonight he’s been okay, but I don’t think O’Neil rates him that much, otherwise he wouldn’t have shipped him off to Luton when he was telling us that the squad was banjaxed.He might be one of the subs against Birmingham, that’s it.
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 10, 2021 21:56:07 GMT
IMO he came here with a reputation of being a classy goal scoring winger (with a price tag that fueled an expectation), he turned up and then the whole club was a basket case, his confidence took a battering, and if truth be told for all the talent the true desire to be a footballer, well it just isnt there is it? but then when you are earning the wage he is, you try, and try and try again. But if your heart isnt in it, then the slightest negativity crushes your confidence. Lets face it, the majority of us would drive him the the nearest airport and think nothing if his name never passed our lips again.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 10, 2021 21:57:47 GMT
When’s his contract coming to an end? Could this slight improvement have anything to do with it?
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 10, 2021 21:58:54 GMT
When’s his contract coming to an end? Could this slight improvement have anything to do with it? Not a chance in hell we would be stupid enough to offer him a new contract surely? |
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 10, 2021 22:10:02 GMT
I have a sneaking feeling he'll play a more significant part this season. Maybe not as a starter but chipping in off the bench.. we've been in the doldrums for so long and it's completely mapped on to his time here, maybe we'll see an overall uptick this year and he'll slot in in some small way. Assuming we don't manage to offload him. We can but hope.
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Post by Ron on Aug 10, 2021 22:11:30 GMT
Credit where it’s due he did well tonight albeit against limited opposition. Showed he has the ability to run at players and beat a man and did v well for the 1st goal- actually won a tackle to which I don’t think I’ve seen him do in 2 years. A player in there-always has been- but strange attitude. Good to hear she’s been working hard. Personally I think he was v much in shop window. If he stays let’s hope MON can get a tune out of him.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 11, 2021 7:55:51 GMT
He's not a player who imposes himself or dictates the play - if the team plays badly he plays badly but if the team plays well he has the ability to contribute. In the couple of cameos last season I thought he played well and was surprised he didn't get more game time. He's tarnished because of the association with a bad period - of which he was very much a part - but maybe in an improving side under O'Neill we could get some value out of him. He'll only get game time under O'Neill if he's on form and if he's not a problem behind the scenes I don't see the problem keeping him especially now that we actually have gaps in the squad. And looking at the Fleetwood video he actually played well - certainly good enough to keep his seat on the bench on Saturday.
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Post by musik on Aug 11, 2021 8:04:28 GMT
Player of the Season candidate among MANY others.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 11, 2021 8:26:41 GMT
He's not a player who imposes himself or dictates the play - if the team plays badly he plays badly but if the team plays well he has the ability to contribute. In the couple of cameos last season I thought he played well and was surprised he didn't get more game time. He's tarnished because of the association with a bad period - of which he was very much a part - but maybe in an improving side under O'Neill we could get some value out of him. He'll only get game time under O'Neill if he's on form and if he's not a problem behind the scenes I don't see the problem keeping him especially now that we actually have gaps in the squad. And looking at the Fleetwood video he actually played well - certainly good enough to keep his seat on the bench on Saturday. It's interesting how myths about players' attitudes evolve and stick. That is what has essentially happened. This interview, supported by Delap's interview, seem to put the idea that Ince doesn't give a shit, or is some kind of negative influence behind the scene, firmly to bed. So we have that one sorted, now it is just whether we can see progress on the pitch. There was a time when he was one of the better ones on the pitch out of a poor bunch, and he has historically produced it at this level. He's had a poor patch in terms of his career not helped by injuries, but I have not given up on him and I'm encouraged to hear that the manager hasn't either. |
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Aug 11, 2021 8:27:14 GMT
he will be good to have around. Folk said that about Fred West when they needed a retaining wall building and look what happened. |
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Post by yyy on Aug 11, 2021 8:30:53 GMT
I'll go in, be professional and train hard for 3 years for 30k a week.
It's what he does on matchday that counts
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Post by potterburt on Aug 11, 2021 9:08:47 GMT
I'll go in, be professional and train hard for 3 years for 30k a week. It's what he does on matchday that counts And maybe that’s just it. It’s only what he does on the pitch that matters to us as fans (and of course the manager/coaches/squad of course). But there’s more to it for people working behind the scenes at the club. If a player is good behind the scenes then that’s 70~80% of their job, week in week out. He could be doing a lot in helping the youngsters and could be working on coaching badges and implementing that at CW for all we know. Can only think Vokes was the same type in training. It’s evident MoN has a great ability in man management and you can’t really argue of the ethos if it is that as long as you be a model professional for the club, always try, be willing and strive to improve yourself then you will always be given a chance and opportunity. |
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Post by thehoof on Aug 11, 2021 9:58:38 GMT
I'll go in, be professional and train hard for 3 years for 30k a week. It's what he does on matchday that counts And maybe that’s just it. It’s only what he does on the pitch that matters to us as fans (and of course the manager/coaches/squad of course). But there’s more to it for people working behind the scenes at the club. If a player is good behind the scenes then that’s 70~80% of their job, week in week out. He could be doing a lot in helping the youngsters and could be working on coaching badges and implementing that at CW for all we know. Can only think Vokes was the same type in training. It’s evident MoN has a great ability in man management and you can’t really argue of the ethos if it is that as long as you be a model professional for the club, always try, be willing and strive to improve yourself then you will always be given a chance and opportunity. No problem with him being given a chance and opportunity……….. so long as it’s somewhere else. To rebuild his confidence let Derby have him for the season. It was the last place where he showed any consistent form. |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Aug 11, 2021 10:02:33 GMT
It's a mystery what his problem is. All the managers seem to have liked him and never criticised his professionalism at all. All the local press say he's a nice guy and popular squad member. He's had no meaningful injuries until the one late last year at Luton, so physically he should be fine He didn't come across as a shy, retiring figure lacking self-confidence during his spells at Derby and Blackpool when he had one of the best records in the diviion....until, it seems, he showed up here? There’s certainly a footballer in there somewhere and contrary to popular opinion on this board I’d certainly persist with him. |
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Post by yyy on Aug 11, 2021 11:10:07 GMT
I'll go in, be professional and train hard for 3 years for 30k a week. It's what he does on matchday that counts And maybe that’s just it. It’s only what he does on the pitch that matters to us as fans (and of course the manager/coaches/squad of course). But there’s more to it for people working behind the scenes at the club. If a player is good behind the scenes then that’s 70~80% of their job, week in week out. He could be doing a lot in helping the youngsters and could be working on coaching badges and implementing that at CW for all we know. Can only think Vokes was the same type in training. It’s evident MoN has a great ability in man management and you can’t really argue of the ethos if it is that as long as you be a model professional for the club, always try, be willing and strive to improve yourself then you will always be given a chance and opportunity. Of course, it helps to be professional and you want a professional group of players but we brought him in to do it on the pitch and he hasn't done it |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 11:15:59 GMT
If we can’t offload him again, then we need to keep him fit. We need another option for the right wing in case we will adopt a flat back four and if we can’t get rid, I can’t see us affording anyone else.
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Post by BrimStokie23 on Aug 11, 2021 11:17:29 GMT
In the follow up Celebrations to Surridges goal - did anyone actually Involve / Congratulate Ince? It looked like NO on the brief highlights I've seen.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 11, 2021 11:39:42 GMT
He needs to work with a sports psychologist. His issues are in his head. If he can overcome whatever his mental blockers are, he’d be one of the best players in this division.
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Post by crowey on Aug 11, 2021 11:55:48 GMT
It's a mystery what his problem is. All the managers seem to have liked him and never criticised his professionalism at all. All the local press say he's a nice guy and popular squad member. He's had no meaningful injuries until the one late last year at Luton, so physically he should be fine He didn't come across as a shy, retiring figure lacking self-confidence during his spells at Derby and Blackpool when he had one of the best records in the diviion....until, it seems, he showed up here? …. must be the Hem Heath hoodoo |
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 11, 2021 11:57:45 GMT
It's a mystery what his problem is. All the managers seem to have liked him and never criticised his professionalism at all. All the local press say he's a nice guy and popular squad member. He's had no meaningful injuries until the one late last year at Luton, so physically he should be fine He didn't come across as a shy, retiring figure lacking self-confidence during his spells at Derby and Blackpool when he had one of the best records in the diviion....until, it seems, he showed up here? Is it a mystery ? For most of his time here we have played the equivalent of walking football so the majority of the time he is facing 2 or 3 players to get the best out of him we need to be attacking or counter attacking at speed, like Afobe and Woods Rowett signed him then set up the team in almost the worst possible way for him..... |
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Post by stormin on Aug 11, 2021 12:18:10 GMT
He's not a player who imposes himself or dictates the play - if the team plays badly he plays badly but if the team plays well he has the ability to contribute. In the couple of cameos last season I thought he played well and was surprised he didn't get more game time. He's tarnished because of the association with a bad period - of which he was very much a part - but maybe in an improving side under O'Neill we could get some value out of him. He'll only get game time under O'Neill if he's on form and if he's not a problem behind the scenes I don't see the problem keeping him especially now that we actually have gaps in the squad. And looking at the Fleetwood video he actually played well - certainly good enough to keep his seat on the bench on Saturday. I wasn't impressed by Rowett signing him, when leaving Blackpool Ince and dad touted around looking for a new club and turned down Stoke in favour of Hull, and only performed moderately for them, in the end struggling to get a game. |
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Post by damagedswan on Aug 11, 2021 12:19:22 GMT
Great assist and a good chance from going on his right! Maybe there is hope...
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Post by 1948fitch on Aug 11, 2021 15:15:01 GMT
In the follow up Celebrations to Surridges goal - did anyone actually Involve / Congratulate Ince? It looked like NO on the brief highlights I've seen. I noticed that but I expected Ince to join in , Didn't see enough of where Ince went or who with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 15:19:52 GMT
He got a few pats on back etc and a thumbs up after from Surridge
Good to see him having an impact despite the opposition. The more competition we have and players in form, the better rather than just slag him off at every opportunity that some take pleasure in. At least he's fighting for a place
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