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Post by proudstokie on Aug 7, 2021 22:15:37 GMT
Thought he was a good shout for MOM but Brown just pipped him. Won everything in the air, passing was good and he just looked solid. Very good debut. A win changes everyone’s perception. I though Brown was appalling today. He is never a striker and freezes in possession. He can’t run channels and has no intelligence where to be on a pitch. Fletcher was in a different league to him today. I would have had Surridge on at half time. He’s one of the worst players I’ve seen in the shirt. His goal, my gran could have saved that. Wilmot looks very decent indeed. Great on the right hand side of a 3. Fox on the other hand, not for me at all. TBF mate you’ve had a stinker here, question his touch and quality all you like but you can’t say that he doesn’t run channels, just about the only thing he is consistent for.
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Post by george2again on Aug 7, 2021 22:30:14 GMT
A win changes everyone’s perception. I though Brown was appalling today. He is never a striker and freezes in possession. He can’t run channels and has no intelligence where to be on a pitch. Fletcher was in a different league to him today. I would have had Surridge on at half time. He’s one of the worst players I’ve seen in the shirt. His goal, my gran could have saved that. Wilmot looks very decent indeed. Great on the right hand side of a 3. Fox on the other hand, not for me at all. TBF mate you’ve had a stinker here, question his touch and quality all you like but you can’t say that he doesn’t run channels, just about the only thing he is consistent for. There’s running channels and running channels, getting in space in threatening positions is my perception of running channels not chasing a dead ball. He has no intelligence as a footballer at all. No craft and little ability. Just my view. Sooner Surridge starts the better for me. Thought Fletcher played well today and was miles apart from the hapless Brown.
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Post by femark on Aug 7, 2021 22:43:26 GMT
Think the rose tinted new signing glasses are on with him big time. He was ropey as hell last week and nearly cost us a couple. Today he kept on trying to punt it first time under now pressure , doing it into his own players , and led to the first goal Bollocks, have a good game at cb
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2021 23:12:16 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Aug 8, 2021 6:24:28 GMT
I am talking about Wilmot - what is your problem? You said Wilmot should be replaced by Souttar. I'm saying that's not the case because Wilmot was much better than Fox. Perfectly legitimate comment in a thread about Wilmot. Don't cry ? Who's crying? Sensible enough answer
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 8, 2021 6:44:31 GMT
As i said earlier I was impressed. I think there was mention he’d occasionally played DM. I think as he’s so comfortable on the ball he’d definately be an option there too.
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 8, 2021 7:27:08 GMT
It’s more than just about Wilmot. MON likes 3 at the back and he has six to chose from. Only time will tell which are the preferred three barring injuries. Souttar is a shoe-in. The other two are up for grabs. I'm fairly certain he'll go for Wilmot Souttar Chester when all fit. Bath on yesterday's showing would be very unfortunate to be left out,I thought he was immense and won just about everything in the air.He stuck to what he's good at defending.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 8, 2021 7:32:14 GMT
Think the rose tinted new signing glasses are on with him big time. He was ropey as hell last week and nearly cost us a couple. Today he kept on trying to punt it first time under now pressure , doing it into his own players , and led to the first goal As on another thread last night you seem unhappy we won🤔Ropey my arse
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 8, 2021 7:57:13 GMT
Fox will move out wide when souttar is back replacing Tymon I reckon I hope Doughty plays instead, Fox is no wing back either, he's a full back or nothing. I agree. Doughty has played full back, wing back and winger in his career and, when fully fit, has enough pace to get up and down the pitch to be a genuine attacking full back. My concerns, if we went to a back four would be finding an attacking right back to replace Smith who is excellent at getting forward but an average defender at best. My second concern would be whether, if we played with Souttar and Wilmot as our two CBs, whether Wilmot would be comfortable as the left one of the pair because Souttar isn't - or at least I've never seen him play on the left of a two in all the years he has been at the club. You don't need to be left footed to play on the left of 2 CBs (eg Huth) but I hope Wilmot can do it.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 8, 2021 8:26:07 GMT
Think the rose tinted new signing glasses are on with him big time. He was ropey as hell last week and nearly cost us a couple. Today he kept on trying to punt it first time under now pressure , doing it into his own players , and led to the first goal As on another thread last night you seem unhappy we won🤔Ropey my arse Nope not unhappy at all, the opposite. I just aren’t as blown away with it as a lot on here
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Post by werrington on Aug 8, 2021 8:36:44 GMT
Thought he was a good shout for MOM but Brown just pipped him. Won everything in the air, passing was good and he just looked solid. Very good debut. A win changes everyone’s perception. I though Brown was appalling today. He is never a striker and freezes in possession. He can’t run channels and has no intelligence where to be on a pitch. Fletcher was in a different league to him today. I would have had Surridge on at half time. He’s one of the worst players I’ve seen in the shirt. His goal, my gran could have saved that. Wilmot looks very decent indeed. Great on the right hand side of a 3. Fox on the other hand, not for me at all. Appalling?….seriously? I think you made your mind up walking to the stadium and under no circumstances were you going to change it
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Post by neddy on Aug 8, 2021 8:51:19 GMT
A win changes everyone’s perception. I though Brown was appalling today. He is never a striker and freezes in possession. He can’t run channels and has no intelligence where to be on a pitch. Fletcher was in a different league to him today. I would have had Surridge on at half time. He’s one of the worst players I’ve seen in the shirt. His goal, my gran could have saved that. Wilmot looks very decent indeed. Great on the right hand side of a 3. Fox on the other hand, not for me at all. Appalling?….seriously? I think you made your mind up walking to the stadium and under no circumstances were you going to change it He clearly does give everything and I think he has improved but if he is to make it fully I think the other poster has a point as he does seem to freeze a bit when in a great position. I’m sure they will work on it with him…..but you really can’t fault him yesterday he left everything out there and could hardly walk at the end.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 8, 2021 17:01:34 GMT
If you need it spelling out he was way better than Fox whose dithering initially lead to their first goal and who Reading targeted all afternoon. Souttar will replace him. Left side of a three. Don't think so.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 8, 2021 17:04:07 GMT
I'm fairly certain he'll go for Wilmot Souttar Chester when all fit. Bath on yesterday's showing would be very unfortunate to be left out,I thought he was immense and won just about everything in the air.He stuck to what he's good at defending. Yes but he's awful on the ball, so why would you choose him over a player who's equally commanding and comfortable with the ball at his feet?
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 8, 2021 17:31:52 GMT
If you need it spelling out he was way better than Fox whose dithering initially lead to their first goal and who Reading targeted all afternoon. Souttar will replace him. Left side of a three. Don't think so. Batth played there last year with Souttar in the middle.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 8, 2021 17:35:16 GMT
If you need it spelling out he was way better than Fox whose dithering initially lead to their first goal and who Reading targeted all afternoon. Souttar will replace him. Left side of a three. Don't think so. Fox is a good left back but not a central defender where he struggles to read the game.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 8, 2021 17:37:01 GMT
Left side of a three. Don't think so. Batth played there last year with Souttar in the middle. Chester can't have been fit. Which side Batth plays on is pretty irrelevant he's absolutely hopeless with the ball at his feet which foot doesn't really matter.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 8, 2021 17:42:15 GMT
Left side of a three. Don't think so. Fox is a good left back but not a central defender where he struggles to read the game. He's only really a good left back if you hold an old fashioned view that that player is on the pitch to defend. A modern full back needs a lot more to his game, they're as important going forward as they are defending. This does not just apply when playing 3 centre backs.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 8, 2021 17:48:31 GMT
I think he'd make a really good CDM.
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Post by dirtclod on Aug 8, 2021 17:51:29 GMT
I might start a riot, oh to hell with it: We weren't perfect out of the box, but we won this game fairly.
The game I saw, Brown was a nuisance to the opposition pretty regularly. Took 4 or 5 shots, at least 2 that were in the direction of the goal and he passed the ball to actual Stoke players for the most part. Off the ball he doesn't take any crap either, especially on set-pieces and he moves instead of ball-watching on defense. Jacob is starting to show up in positions near or in the box where others want to pass to him. As he keeps doing this, the strikes should become better. In that game he became a good "foil" that had to be guarded, which helped everyone else in the final 3rd.
Brown is one we need to keep healthy because he is progressing. And Baath: I can't remember how many times that dude headed a ball out of danger. OK, so he's no Messi on the ball, but he fights on defense with all he's got.
This was the FIRST game and we WON, for a FIRST game with no disrespect intended - I didn't see anyone who was "appalling" That's just my perception.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 8, 2021 18:15:27 GMT
Who was on Moore for the header? No one. If you watch the highlights Moore ran from well outside the penalty area, even outside the D. It was clearly a training ground move. Someone should have spotted his run and blocked him instead of ball watching. I like Wilmot and think we are lucky to get another young talented player. He is a bit of a loose cannon and plays on the edge but he looks adventurous and breath of fresh air compared with all the negativity in the team the last 3 seasons.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 8, 2021 18:24:22 GMT
Fox is a good left back but not a central defender where he struggles to read the game. He's only really a good left back if you hold an old fashioned view that that player is on the pitch to defend. A modern full back needs a lot more to his game, they're as important going forward as they are defending. This does not just apply when playing 3 centre backs. I thought his crosses and attacking play were good. I'm not sure about his defending in any position.
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Post by Royal Donut on Aug 8, 2021 18:28:16 GMT
Who was on Moore for the header? No one. If you watch the highlights Moore ran from well outside the penalty area, even outside the D. It was clearly a training ground move. Someone should have spotted his run and blocked him instead of ball watching. I like Wilmot and think we are lucky to get another young talented player. He is a bit of a loose cannon and plays on the edge but he looks adventurous and breath of fresh air compared with all the negativity in the team the last 3 seasons. The very next corner he did excatley the same again, ran from outside the box and was left alone. I think we defend better when Souttar is in there. He positions himself where they need put more height on the ball to clear him, there for its more a looping ball rather than a whip. New players getting to grips we will only get better, but it's nice to pick up 3 points along the way.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 8, 2021 18:36:23 GMT
I think he'd make a really good CDM. He has played a few games there in the past. I see what you mean - on the ball he is on a different level to many CBs. Ironically his prospective partner, Souttar, is also good on the ball. If/when Forrester is fit and knocking on the door of the first team Wilmot at CDM might be worth a try.
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Post by wiss76 on Aug 8, 2021 18:38:10 GMT
Why are some fans so fickle ? We won yesterday for the first match of the season - just enjoy it and why berate some of the players - fuck off the vale
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 8, 2021 19:02:38 GMT
I thought Wilmot had a decent debut - clearly happy on the ball but a couple of shanked efforts and his inexperience showed at times but he'll learn. Batth was the pick of the back three for me - not a ball player but did what he does really well. If Souttar is going to come back in it would be for Fox based on yesterday but not sure who would best slot in on the left. The good thing is we are not short of decent options at centre back and some healthy competition.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 19:39:18 GMT
Wilmot looks real neat on the ball. Don't want to be picky too much after a win. First goal for me the keeper takes all in front of him, was real poor all round but far more positives than negatives.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 8, 2021 19:52:45 GMT
I thought Wilmot had a decent debut - clearly happy on the ball but a couple of shanked efforts and his inexperience showed at times but he'll learn. Batth was the pick of the back three for me - not a ball player but did what he does really well. If Souttar is going to come back in it would be for Fox based on yesterday but not sure who would best slot in on the left. The good thing is we are not short of decent options at centre back and some healthy competition. Just can't see it happening if Fox is dropped he will be replaced by Chester. Souttar will displace Batth or Wilmott in the centre or on the right.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Aug 8, 2021 20:33:49 GMT
Opinions eh? I thought he looked pretty good , needs to bed in but a decent player. Was surprised at how big he is - looks quite slight in his photo but he’s a big fucker.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 8, 2021 20:39:04 GMT
Opinions eh? I thought he looked pretty good , needs to bed in but a decent player. Was surprised at how big he is - looks quite slight in his photo but he’s a big fucker. 6ft 2in and I didn't realise only 21 years old en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Wilmot
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