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Post by Eggybread on Aug 6, 2021 13:21:06 GMT
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Post by stokeuk474 on Aug 6, 2021 13:27:05 GMT
Awful human being.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 6, 2021 13:44:39 GMT
Yes.
He apologised quite recently for the Ballymurphy massacre.
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Post by zerps on Aug 6, 2021 14:01:09 GMT
Imagine having the jab because he said so
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 6, 2021 14:04:49 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 6, 2021 14:07:15 GMT
I didn’t say it was a good apology. I guess you could call it an apology of an apology. But an apology nevertheless.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 6, 2021 14:09:08 GMT
Perhaps he should have mentioned the steel industry as well? That was a bit heavy on the old carbon front.
Still, not to worry, the good folks of Stoke will keep voting for him and thinking they're laughing with him when really he's just pissing himself that they keep falling for it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 14:13:08 GMT
he wasn't pushed into to it at all and really why should he be apologising for the actions of others 50 years ago anyway? Token nonsense.
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Post by zerps on Aug 6, 2021 14:38:11 GMT
Perhaps he should have mentioned the steel industry as well? That was a bit heavy on the old carbon front. Still, not to worry, the good folks of Stoke will keep voting for him and thinking they're laughing with him when really he's just pissing himself that they keep falling for it. If you think voting for either party will make any difference then you’re part of the problem
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 6, 2021 14:45:50 GMT
If humans in general didn't find apologising such a difficult thing to do then the world would instantly be a much better place. I am not saying we should all start apologising when there is no justification to do so. But some of the 50/50 or 60/40 situations where a quick sincere apology would resolve a problem instantly. The family rifts that wouldn't exist.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 6, 2021 14:47:26 GMT
he wasn't pushed into to it at all and really why should he be apologising for the actions of others 50 years ago anyway? Token nonsense. I didn't know there was a timeline, cut off point for apologies. Sorry or am I too late.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2021 14:56:05 GMT
Wonder if any of the new northern blue wall ex mining communities are beginning to wonder why they voted for someone who jokes about the destruction of their livelihoods?
You can probably forget all the woke bollocks, corruption and sleaze, picking on immigrants and foreigners, they don't matter. Stuff like this might actually stick. Those communities have long memories.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 6, 2021 15:13:15 GMT
Has any politician ever apologised for anything that they were responsible for?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 6, 2021 15:14:22 GMT
Has any politician ever apologised for anything that they were responsible for? Fair point
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 6, 2021 15:20:30 GMT
Perhaps he should have mentioned the steel industry as well? That was a bit heavy on the old carbon front. Still, not to worry, the good folks of Stoke will keep voting for him and thinking they're laughing with him when really he's just pissing himself that they keep falling for it. If you think voting for either party will make any difference then you’re part of the problem I suggest that right now the problem is those who just keep rubber stamping the individual least-fit-for-PM we have had , and that takes some doing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 17:23:26 GMT
he wasn't pushed into to it at all and really why should he be apologising for the actions of others 50 years ago anyway? Token nonsense. I didn't know there was a timeline, cut off point for apologies. Sorry or am I too late. he was 7 at the time so valid point
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 6, 2021 17:24:23 GMT
Has any politician ever apologised for anything that they were responsible for? This sprung to my mind straight away, as I remember hearing her say it and thinking what a surprise it was to hear an incumbent leader admitting a mistake and apologising. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-53719477.amp
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 6, 2021 19:19:27 GMT
Has any politician ever apologised for anything that they were responsible for? This sprung to my mind straight away, as I remember hearing her say it and thinking what a surprise it was to hear an incumbent leader admitting a mistake and apologising. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-53719477.ampAh… the Blessed Saint Nicola. She chooses her moments for honesty very carefully. A touch of the dead cat about this announcement but, this is unquestionably an apology for something that happened on her watch. In fairness she also admitted taking her eye off the ball regarding the ongoing drugs death catastrophe in Scotland.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 6, 2021 19:22:59 GMT
Ah… the Blessed Saint Nicola. She chooses her moments for honesty very carefully. A touch of the dead cat about this announcement but, this is unquestionably an apology for something that happened on her watch. In fairness she also admitted taking her eye off the ball regarding the ongoing drugs death catastrophe in Scotland. Their drug death record is staggering when you look at the stats compared across Europe. Quite how she managed to "take her eye of the ball" is a total mystery. Too busy playing her Braveheart role is the truth. At the expense of everything else. Useless woman.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 6, 2021 20:10:47 GMT
I should also say, you are absolutely right… it was a crass thing to say. Johnson has an uncanny ability to put his foot in his mouth.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 6, 2021 20:42:48 GMT
Ah… the Blessed Saint Nicola. She chooses her moments for honesty very carefully. A touch of the dead cat about this announcement but, this is unquestionably an apology for something that happened on her watch. In fairness she also admitted taking her eye off the ball regarding the ongoing drugs death catastrophe in Scotland. If Nicola gets what she wants it would impact 'my politics' in a negative way and whilst she's extremely well polished, she is flawed. But together, we have proved that at least one politician has apologised 😉
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Post by zerps on Aug 6, 2021 20:48:56 GMT
He’s laughing at you
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 6, 2021 21:15:23 GMT
He should apologise for being wrong Nearly twice as many pits shut under Wilson than thatcher So he really should of been praising Harold Wilson
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 6, 2021 21:46:37 GMT
He should apologise for being wrong Nearly twice as many pits shut under Wilson than thatcher So he really should of been praising Harold Wilson Whether the mining industry was in decline is not the point . What he should not have been doing is making a typically crass sneering 'joke' about something which had a major impact on communities . What he could have done afterwards is apologise, but then I guess he didn't need to because there are plenty who will do that for him.
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Post by foster on Aug 6, 2021 22:39:59 GMT
I hate the fucker, but to be fair although a little insensitive, it sounded like a bit of banter. The 'Too soon' date is well passed.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 7, 2021 7:18:50 GMT
Apologise for what exactly , just meaningless gesture politics . Labour closed far more pits than thatcher ever did
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 7, 2021 8:20:18 GMT
Apologise for what exactly , just meaningless gesture politics . Labour closed far more pits than thatcher ever did The legacy of Labour and Conservative pit closures makes for harrowing reading Harry. People now in jobs that are not dangerous or causing death by lung disease and generally better working conditions, some earning more money than they could have dreamed of as a miner. Cleaner environments where coal isn’t being mined anymore. It’s terrible and I feel really sorry for those affected.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 7, 2021 8:21:48 GMT
he wasn't pushed into to it at all and really why should he be apologising for the actions of others 50 years ago anyway? Token nonsense. I didn't know there was a timeline, cut off point for apologies. Sorry or am I too late. Should Germans apologise for the Third Reich still?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 7, 2021 8:23:29 GMT
It was a joke. I thought jokes were ok?
Freedom of speech, cancel culture gone mad etc etc
In other news, rumours are circulating that Momo has spontaneously combusted....
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 7, 2021 8:43:32 GMT
Apologise for what exactly , just meaningless gesture politics . Labour closed far more pits than thatcher ever did For balance it's not just about the number of pits as the industry shifted to larger pits at the expense of smaller ones over the second half of the 20th Century. Between 1980 and 1994 the number employed in the UK coal industry fell from 240,000 to 10,000. Another quarter of a million jobs went under the Tories between 1958 and 1964 and about 40,000 under Heath. '64-70 (Wilson) saw another 210,000 jobs go and about 10,000 from '74-79. Given the number was broadly flat from 1940-58 then it is clear far more jobs were lost in the coal industry under the Tories than Labour. It is the impact of the 95% fall in the number employed in the industry under Thatcher and the corresponding impact on the communities that makes it a crass comment. Whether it was the right thing for coal to switch to gas is a separate debate.
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