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Post by tqstokie on Jul 25, 2021 11:43:20 GMT
"Like he did for our first" It was Powell who crossed and Fletcher headed in.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 25, 2021 12:48:42 GMT
"Like he did for our first" It was Powell who crossed and Fletcher headed in. I thought so too, but I think it said Smith when I read the summary from the match afterwards? Still Smith has a decent cross in him unlike someone else I won't bother to mention this time!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 13:01:52 GMT
Have we played worse at holding the ball up - yeah Vokes, especially considering the difference in stature. Why the hell we would want Brown to hold the ball up anyway is bizarre, he is a chaser, run into through balls, over the top player. The running around a lot to warrant a place in the team - the player you are mostly describing to me is Allen. But yeah pressing the opposition, trying to make things happen and following instruction is part of the game. I reckon he’s on to if not at least get close to 10 goals to surpass it this coming season. With him chipping in, Fletcher / Powell / Vrancic / (another striker?) / Campbell - we could be on for a good haul. The bashing Brown, to me, is just a bit old/irrelevant and boring but I know how Stoke fans love to label our own villain so if you want it to be him then sure, suppose it gives Tommy Smith a break. Again I must say Tommy Smith certainly isn't one of my favourites, but he is decent on the ball and can put in a good cross as well. Just like he did for our first yesterday. Smith is not a bad footballer, but he isn't a very good defender as I see it. I certainly agree that I don't understand why we should play Brown as a hold up player! When used he should be a ball chaser never giving the opposition's defenders time on the ball. What else could he do? To be fair, that’s sometimes just what you need. Without Walters’ work ethic, there’s no way he’d have played so many times in the premier. (Walters had more to him than Brown does). A lot of teams are looking to play out from the back. A lot of teams consist of defenders who are poor on the ball. Having someone harry them could be a big part to a) breaking down their attacks, and b) kickstarting ours off from the front. I feel like Brown needs to improve more on two things to be the most effective. First, he needs to be more aggressive. Second, he needs to get better in the air. Those physical traits can be improved, the other things you mention he is defective in are much harder. But I still think that if he does improve in the areas I suggested, he’d be a very effective member of the team, even if not the best footballer.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 25, 2021 13:16:17 GMT
Again I must say Tommy Smith certainly isn't one of my favourites, but he is decent on the ball and can put in a good cross as well. Just like he did for our first yesterday. Smith is not a bad footballer, but he isn't a very good defender as I see it. I certainly agree that I don't understand why we should play Brown as a hold up player! When used he should be a ball chaser never giving the opposition's defenders time on the ball. What else could he do? To be fair, that’s sometimes just what you need. Without Walters’ work ethic, there’s no way he’d have played so many times in the premier. (Walters had more to him than Brown does). A lot of teams are looking to play out from the back. A lot of teams consist of defenders who are poor on the ball. Having someone harry them could be a big part to a) breaking down their attacks, and b) kickstarting ours off from the front. I feel like Brown needs to improve more on two things to be the most effective. First, he needs to be more aggressive. Second, he needs to get better in the air. Those physical traits can be improved, the other things you mention he is defective in are much harder. But I still think that if he does improve in the areas I suggested, he’d be a very effective member of the team, even if not the best footballer. I really hope you're right, I really do!
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Post by tqstokie on Jul 25, 2021 16:30:27 GMT
"Like he did for our first" It was Powell who crossed and Fletcher headed in. I thought so too, but I think it said Smith when I read the summary from the match afterwards? Still Smith has a decent cross in him unlike someone else I won't bother to mention this time! It was definitely Powell unless he and Smith have swopped shirts
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 25, 2021 16:48:02 GMT
I thought so too, but I think it said Smith when I read the summary from the match afterwards? Still Smith has a decent cross in him unlike someone else I won't bother to mention this time! It was definitely Powell unless he and Smith have swopped shirts As said that was my first thought as well, but read in a summary that it was Smith. Not a big deal really as I still think Smith has a decent cross in him.
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Post by george2again on Jul 25, 2021 21:33:43 GMT
Brown played well today I thought. Really! I thought he was wank as usual. He isn't good enough for our starting 11 as I see it. I couldn't see any improvement from last season, not at all actually. I think the reality is you won’t ever see much improvement. He doesn’t have the raw talent to improve on. The ‘we bought potential’ line from the club is covering the fact he is pretty useless. ‘ Buying potential’ means you have the raw materials and they are harnessed by coaches. This isn’t happening in this case. League 1 next season.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 25, 2021 21:40:17 GMT
Really! I thought he was wank as usual. He isn't good enough for our starting 11 as I see it. I couldn't see any improvement from last season, not at all actually. I think the reality is you won’t ever see much improvement. He doesn’t have the raw talent to improve on. The ‘we bought potential’ line from the club is covering the fact he is pretty useless. ‘ Buying potential’ means you have the raw materials and they are harnessed by coaches. This isn’t happening in this case. League 1 next season. My impression all the time too I'm afraid. £2M seems a very steep price for this player, but a lot of people on this board have high hopes for him. I really struggle to see what they see to give them hope of such an improvement though.
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 25, 2021 21:41:22 GMT
Really! I thought he was wank as usual. He isn't good enough for our starting 11 as I see it. I couldn't see any improvement from last season, not at all actually. I think the reality is you won’t ever see much improvement. He doesn’t have the raw talent to improve on. The ‘we bought potential’ line from the club is covering the fact he is pretty useless. ‘ Buying potential’ means you have the raw materials and they are harnessed by coaches. This isn’t happening in this case. League 1 next season. Sound George....cheers mate🙄👍
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Post by BuzzB on Jul 25, 2021 23:05:15 GMT
For what its worth, my opinion is this. We need better. Jacob Brown may well be a lovely lad blah blah, work his knackers off, blah blah, and get lucky now and again with a goal or assist. We have bought in quality with Wilmot and Vranic, don't MON go and wreck it by relying on Brown. I have seen many players over the past 50 years that just arent up to it and unfortunately Jacob is one of them. A decent sub to bring on when defences are tired but lets complement Fletch with a decent partner. We arent that far from being up there this season.
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Post by march4 on Jul 25, 2021 23:11:33 GMT
I have no expectation that Brown will play any positive part this season. In that way I can be pleasantly surprised if he starts scoring and creating goals regularly.
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Post by potterburt on Jul 26, 2021 7:29:23 GMT
I think the reality is you won’t ever see much improvement. He doesn’t have the raw talent to improve on. The ‘we bought potential’ line from the club is covering the fact he is pretty useless. ‘ Buying potential’ means you have the raw materials and they are harnessed by coaches. This isn’t happening in this case. League 1 next season. My impression all the time too I'm afraid. £2M seems a very steep price for this player, but a lot of people on this board have high hopes for him. I really struggle to see what they see to give them hope of such an improvement though. Rob - you’ve just said it…. ‘hope’. There is literally 2 pages with posters shipping in with what they have seen in Browns potential so not sure why you are ‘struggling to see’. It’s evident you don’t agree but can’t say that you don’t see, it’s just been laid out for you. None of us know how he’ll go. All these posters saying that he doesn’t posses the ‘raw’ talent needed to succeed as a footballer, I’m glad that we have the Barcelona scouting network giving us the authoritive definite as where he’ll end up. And as I said 2 pages about Brown, on a thread that’s titled Norton! Careful here Rob, entering Bayern territory ere.
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Post by walrus on Jul 26, 2021 8:55:28 GMT
Brown suffered as badly as anyone (except Tyrese himself) as a result of Campbell’s injury.
At 22 years old I’m sure he was signed to play a fringe role while getting used to the club and working on the weaknesses in his game that even MON acknowledged are there when he signed.
Instead he found himself slogging away for 90 minutes three times a week through an injury crisis, playing in different positions with different players alongside him on a regular basis, and his confidence took an understandable knock.
His form did pick up at the end of the season though and he’s still only recently turned 23 so I’m firmly in the “hopeful he’ll come good” camp. I don’t think he’s ever going to be at Campbell’s level but I think he can be a useful Championship squad player, perhaps more the Richard Cresswell than the Ricardo Fuller.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 26, 2021 8:59:53 GMT
People seem very quick to ignore the fact he made 10 assists for Barnsley the season before last. That is not to be sniffed at, at any level.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 26, 2021 17:19:21 GMT
My impression all the time too I'm afraid. £2M seems a very steep price for this player, but a lot of people on this board have high hopes for him. I really struggle to see what they see to give them hope of such an improvement though. Rob - you’ve just said it…. ‘hope’. There is literally 2 pages with posters shipping in with what they have seen in Browns potential so not sure why you are ‘struggling to see’. It’s evident you don’t agree but can’t say that you don’t see, it’s just been laid out for you. None of us know how he’ll go. All these posters saying that he doesn’t posses the ‘raw’ talent needed to succeed as a footballer, I’m glad that we have the Barcelona scouting network giving us the authoritive definite as where he’ll end up. And as I said 2 pages about Brown, on a thread that’s titled Norton! Careful here Rob, entering Bayern territory ere.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2021 17:21:04 GMT
My impression all the time too I'm afraid. £2M seems a very steep price for this player, but a lot of people on this board have high hopes for him. I really struggle to see what they see to give them hope of such an improvement though. Rob - you’ve just said it…. ‘hope’. There is literally 2 pages with posters shipping in with what they have seen in Browns potential so not sure why you are ‘struggling to see’. It’s evident you don’t agree but can’t say that you don’t see, it’s just been laid out for you. None of us know how he’ll go. All these posters saying that he doesn’t posses the ‘raw’ talent needed to succeed as a footballer, I’m glad that we have the Barcelona scouting network giving us the authoritive definite as where he’ll end up. And as I said 2 pages about Brown, on a thread that’s titled Norton! Careful here Rob, entering Bayern territory ere. If people think it, it doesn’t mean someone else can see it. I mean that’s just nonsense. Brown has shown absolutely nothing to show he should be a footballer whilst in a Stoke City shirt when it matters.
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Post by potterburt on Jul 26, 2021 17:24:09 GMT
Rob - you’ve just said it…. ‘hope’. There is literally 2 pages with posters shipping in with what they have seen in Browns potential so not sure why you are ‘struggling to see’. It’s evident you don’t agree but can’t say that you don’t see, it’s just been laid out for you. None of us know how he’ll go. All these posters saying that he doesn’t posses the ‘raw’ talent needed to succeed as a footballer, I’m glad that we have the Barcelona scouting network giving us the authoritive definite as where he’ll end up. And as I said 2 pages about Brown, on a thread that’s titled Norton! Careful here Rob, entering Bayern territory ere. If people think it, it doesn’t mean someone else can see it. I mean that’s just nonsense. Brown has shown absolutely nothing to show he should be a footballer whilst in a Stoke City shirt when it matters. Oh give over Bayern… you’re so 🥱
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 26, 2021 17:26:57 GMT
U23's played a friendly against Chelsea last week. Been nice to see a report or who played. Going to be a big change in personnel for them this season?.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2021 17:48:09 GMT
If people think it, it doesn’t mean someone else can see it. I mean that’s just nonsense. Brown has shown absolutely nothing to show he should be a footballer whilst in a Stoke City shirt when it matters. Oh give over Bayern… you’re so 🥱 It’s a shit argument though 😂 Just because someone can see something doesn’t mean the other person should see that too. That’s football. Some people like players that run around a lot. I think it’s a laughable thing to laud. That’s football.
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Post by potterburt on Jul 26, 2021 17:58:52 GMT
Oh give over Bayern… you’re so 🥱 It’s a shit argument though 😂 Just because someone can see something doesn’t mean the other person should see that too. That’s football. Some people like players that run around a lot. I think it’s a laughable thing to laud. That’s football. What the actual feck are you on about? A shit argument!?!? It’s just you that is arguing!?!? And arguing a point that I wasn’t even discussing with you on!?!? You need Bayern. Jeez 🙄
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 26, 2021 17:58:56 GMT
Anyway how far offs Norton and is there much interest in him?
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Post by bgreen13 on Jul 26, 2021 18:02:35 GMT
Anyway how far offs Norton and is there much interest in him? Don't you mean Brown? 🤔
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 26, 2021 18:18:21 GMT
Anyway how far offs Norton and is there much interest in him? Don't you mean Brown? 🤔 You'd think it was a Brown thread wouldn't ya🙄
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2021 18:31:13 GMT
It’s a shit argument though 😂 Just because someone can see something doesn’t mean the other person should see that too. That’s football. Some people like players that run around a lot. I think it’s a laughable thing to laud. That’s football. What the actual feck are you on about? A shit argument!?!? It’s just you that is arguing!?!? And arguing a point that I wasn’t even discussing with you on!?!? You need Bayern. Jeez 🙄 You were criticising someone for not seeing something. I mean that happens all the time in football. I Brown to me has no redeeming feature. It doesn’t matter if someone else sees it.
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Post by potterburt on Jul 26, 2021 19:07:16 GMT
What the actual feck are you on about? A shit argument!?!? It’s just you that is arguing!?!? And arguing a point that I wasn’t even discussing with you on!?!? You need Bayern. Jeez 🙄 You were criticising someone for not seeing something. I mean that happens all the time in football. I Brown to me has no redeeming feature. It doesn’t matter if someone else sees it. Nope 👎🏻 Hey Pedantic Peter - oh gawd give it a rest please. I wasn’t criticising, Rob said that he could not see what others see in Brown. I pointed out that others had explained to him in a few instances what they see in Brown….. i then pointed out the fact he was doing an awful lot of chat about Brown on a Norton thread and used a benchmark of ridiculousness that he was venturing into ‘Bayern’ territory - which you have just illustrated and confirmed with your stupid and idiotic petty madman-esque ramblings just now at me. Give It A Fucking Rest!!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2021 19:43:12 GMT
You were criticising someone for not seeing something. I mean that happens all the time in football. I Brown to me has no redeeming feature. It doesn’t matter if someone else sees it. Nope 👎🏻 Hey Pedantic Peter - oh gawd give it a rest please. I wasn’t criticising, Rob said that he could not see what others see in Brown. I pointed out that others had explained to him in a few instances what they see in Brown….. i then pointed out the fact he was doing an awful lot of chat about Brown on a Norton thread and used a benchmark of ridiculousness that he was venturing into ‘Bayern’ territory - which you have just illustrated and confirmed with your stupid and idiotic petty madman-esque ramblings just now at me. Give It A Fucking Rest!!!! It doesn’t matter what others see though. That’s the point. They’re not idiotic, you’re not understanding the basis of a differing or opinion. And no, it’s a crap point and Rob from the off was comparing the two wasn’t he? 😂😂
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Post by potterburt on Jul 26, 2021 19:52:35 GMT
Nope 👎🏻 Hey Pedantic Peter - oh gawd give it a rest please. I wasn’t criticising, Rob said that he could not see what others see in Brown. I pointed out that others had explained to him in a few instances what they see in Brown….. i then pointed out the fact he was doing an awful lot of chat about Brown on a Norton thread and used a benchmark of ridiculousness that he was venturing into ‘Bayern’ territory - which you have just illustrated and confirmed with your stupid and idiotic petty madman-esque ramblings just now at me. Give It A Fucking Rest!!!! It doesn’t matter what others see though. That’s the point. They’re not idiotic, you’re not understanding the basis of a differing or opinion. And no, it’s a crap point and Rob from the off was comparing the two wasn’t he? 😂😂 If there’s something troubling you in life, something you are currently struggling with and don’t have a healthy medium/outlet to discuss your thoughts/emotions. - let me know with a private message, I know groups/people that can offer assistance. Don’t suffer in silence. Seriously though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2021 20:03:27 GMT
It doesn’t matter what others see though. That’s the point. They’re not idiotic, you’re not understanding the basis of a differing or opinion. And no, it’s a crap point and Rob from the off was comparing the two wasn’t he? 😂😂 If there’s something troubling you in life, something you are currently struggling with and don’t have a healthy medium/outlet to discuss your thoughts/emotions. - let me know with a private message, I know groups/people that can offer assistance. Don’t suffer in silence. Seriously though. 😂😂is that seriously the best bullshit you have? You’re being patronising to Rob and then don’t like being called out for a nonsense argument.
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Post by potterburt on Jul 26, 2021 20:14:34 GMT
If there’s something troubling you in life, something you are currently struggling with and don’t have a healthy medium/outlet to discuss your thoughts/emotions. - let me know with a private message, I know groups/people that can offer assistance. Don’t suffer in silence. Seriously though. 😂😂is that seriously the best bullshit you have? You’re being patronising to Rob and then don’t like being called out for a nonsense argument. Oh dear, you just can’t stop can you? No that was a genuine offer of assistance, too many people, especially blokes suffer without having anyone to offer them help and a different option. I wasn’t being patronising to Rob, I said that people had already pointed out what they see in Brown and I wasn’t embroiled in an ‘argument’ as to how you’re claiming. Although whatever you think my stance was on that it’s evident that it’s a ‘bullshit’ argument in your eyes. I’ve said numerous times now - leave it!!! You are literally having an argument with yourself but dragging me into it with your incessant responses. There is nothing coming from me other than you coming at me. It can’t be good for your mental health Bayern. I was genuinely concerned and just offering an olive branch, I’m even more concerned now. 😞
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Post by potterburt on Jul 26, 2021 20:15:39 GMT
Anyways…….
Norton eh?!
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