How can music be seen as disorderly conduct?

[musik]

To all sensible people out there

As a kind of delayed Midsummer present the Swedes always every year get some new Laws to keep track of from the 1st of July. 📙📗📘📓

This year they have expanded those about disorderly conduct. Before you couldn't piss wherever you liked. I don't know about the act of defecation or autoerotism though.

From now on you can't perform jet skiing whenever or whereever you like.

I'm pretty ok with that too.

But ... from July the 1st you can also get fines if you play loud music.

So last night, on a Saturday night(!), some guy played some music from his car for a little while in central Umeå (northern Sweden's biggest city). People called the police. They actually called the police. He was fined 1000 SEK (£90).

This leads to a lot of questions, like:

Who decides it's a high volume in the first place?
Is it enough if one single person thinks so subjectively?
Why are drilling machines and hammering allowed without warning in advance?
Do people realize, that kind of momentarily, also called explosive sounds from the look of the sound curve, in the wall next to you, are far more dangerous to your ears than loud music from a car at a distance?
Why are motorbikes allowed day in and day out in the cities, waking up the whole neighbourhood and making it impossible to continue with any sort of discussion both outdoors and indoors if the windows are open?
I suffer from sound sensitivity (hyperacusis) after a mistreatment by an ear specialist decades ago, but I would never in my life dream about calling the police because of some music, and therefore when text-tv here in Sweden on page 111 at the bottom had the final words: "music is the single main reason people call the police", I thought, am I dreaming?
Can I call the police to say my neighbours are too quiet?
Total silence for too long is not good for my or their ears for that matter, due to recent research they've found muscles inside the middle ear and in the cochlea absolutely need to be stimulated now and then on a daily basis not to suffer from atrophy, just like any other muscle of the body - so can I demand some education to the people on this?
What f@ckin country do I live in?
Is it the same in Great Britain?

[musik]

This MUST happen only in Sweden?

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[yeokel]

I wish we did similarly with respect to music.
Nobody should have a right to impose their noise on somebody else.
Perhaps there should be some kind of measurable limit, or a 'rule of thumb' that the noise should be inaudible, say, 30 yards away but on the whole I would fully support such a measure.

And, don't even get me started on motorbikes.
Unfortunately, we live adjacent to one of the busiest roads in Somerset and bikes are the bane of our lives. They are so sodding loud.
I know it's impossible to 'police' the fact that they reattach the baffles or silencers when it's MOT time, and then strip 'em back off later the same day but, again, there should be an enforceable noise limit which the police should be encouraged to strictly enforce with a three-strikes-and-you're-out penalty system. There is no need for excessive noise and their, the bikers, right to make a right bloody racket should in no way be equal to my right not to hear it, along with several other hundred other poor sods who happen to be within earshot.

And tractors too.

[musik]

Jul 14, 2021 8:47:38 GMT yeokel said:

I wish we did similarly with respect to music.
Nobody should have a right to impose their noise on somebody else.
Perhaps there should be some kind of measurable limit ---

And, don't even get me started on motorbikes.
--- they reattach the baffles or silencers ---
There is no need for excessive noise ---

And tractors too.

Thanks yeokel for the response!
To me there is a HUGE difference between music and noise. It's very hard for me to even picture any kind of music I would call noise. Music is the opposite to noise.
That said I can definitely imagine when music can be troublesome for some people. If you have neighbours who play it and play it real loud a couple of hours so your door is shaking in the middle of two weeknights per week for a few years, yeah I can imagine some people being upset then. I had those neighbours right below me. But I didn't call the police, not once.
But now noone, not a single soul, play anything at anytime anywhere anymore. I actually find that more disturbing!

In Sweden they have taken that new law to the limit and beyond. I've read about people been evicted just because they were watching tv, a sports event, and neighbours have been calling the landlord if someone talks on the phone at daytime or use a printer or a mechanical typewriter.

Around here absolutely no bikers use any silencers at anytime!! Instead they drive in the middle of night waking people up.
I don't see the point, it's like 5 year olds in a leather jacket.

So bikers go free and people using drilling machines in concrete walls without telling in advance go free, but a person on the job phone, some kid practising his/her piano lesson or an old lady or a group of lads watching a sport event on tv, can get fines or be evicted.

The worrying part is they decide on what someone find annoying; they don't measure anything in dBs. I heard of a guy who had complaints from a lady about children running around in the appartment above hers. So the guy above got some problems keeping his appartment. The thing is ... he had no kids, the sound (noise if you like) came from the appartment above(!) his, but he hadn't noticed it ...

That's what I reacted about!

[Vadiation_Ribe]

The are environmental health limits for noise in the UK and excessive noise can be reported: www.gov.uk/guidance/noise-nuisances-how-councils-deal-with-complaints

You're not supposed to beep a car horn in residential areas before and after certain times but people do.

[thehartshillbadger]

Jul 15, 2021 18:40:20 GMT Vadiation_Ribe said:

The are environmental health limits for noise in the UK and excessive noise can be reported: www.gov.uk/guidance/noise-nuisances-how-councils-deal-with-complaints

You're not supposed to beep a car horn in residential areas before and after certain times but people do.

I live on the same road as one of the biggest hospitals in the U.K. and they aren’t supposed to raise their sirens between the hours of 23.00 and 07.00 and they don’t.
But the other 18 hours are a f*****g nightmare 😀
As for music, I like it, but in truth if I need to get up at 6am and next door are playing yet another Oasis song at full blast at 3am I have to Chuck em a text!
I’m happy with loud music as long as it doesn’t exceed the midnight hour