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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 3, 2021 22:08:26 GMT
It would annoy me if a team that lost 2 out of 3 group games and squeaked into the knockout stages with just 3pts made it to the final.
But that's tournament football I guess.
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Post by lordb on Jul 3, 2021 22:11:15 GMT
It would annoy me if a team that lost 2 out of 3 group games and squeaked into the knockout stages with just 3pts made it to the final. But that's tournament football I guess. Portugal didn't win a game in the group last time Italy the same in 82 Teams that win tournaments usually grow into it
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 3, 2021 22:20:03 GMT
I still can't believe the first major trophy Harry Kane is going to lift is the European Championship, followed by the World Cup. 🤯
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 3, 2021 22:20:23 GMT
Denmark are not very special in the first place and before you take in to account the fact that they are shorn of Eriksen and frankly they looked this evening like they are running on empty. England could run up a cricket score in this one. I think they've only lost twice in 3 years and one was the Finland game. The other to Belgium. But... As everyone likes to do when we bring up England stats....have you seen who they were playing? Largely teams like Moldova, Georgia (who drew against them), N. Ireland, Gibraltar etc. They've had the odd Austria here and there and Germany (who they drew with around the same time N. Macedonia beat Germany) but it's not as if they've been playing top ten sides regularly and sweeping them aside. A bit of perspective and balance here is needed. As i said, people always like to trot out the "Yeah but they're shit sides" when we mention England's impressive runs. Denmark, in reality (and emotions of this tournent and what happened to them aside) aren't really a side that this England team should ever feel worried about. Edit: Admittedly most of that is me trying to convince myself so i'm not shitting it too much for the next 4 days, but it is true nonetheless.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 3, 2021 22:36:03 GMT
I still can't believe the first major trophy Harry Kane is going to lift is the European Championship, followed by the World Cup. 🤯 Yes but he will the premier league in between
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 22:37:49 GMT
I think they've only lost twice in 3 years and one was the Finland game. The other to Belgium. But... As everyone likes to do when we bring up England stats....have you seen who they were playing? Largely teams like Moldova, Georgia (who drew against them), N. Ireland, Gibraltar etc. They've had the odd Austria here and there and Germany (who they drew with around the same time N. Macedonia beat Germany) but it's not as if they've been playing top ten sides regularly and sweeping them aside. A bit of perspective and balance here is needed. As i said, people always like to trot out the "Yeah but they're shit sides" when we mention England's impressive runs. Denmark, in reality (and emotions of this tournent and what happened to them aside) aren't really a side that this England team should ever feel worried about. Edit: Admittedly most of that is me trying to convince myself so i'm not shitting it too much for the next 4 days, but it is true nonetheless. I think more a case of that they have gone under the radar a bit for the decent team they are with all that's gone on. Can I jut point out that I tipped them for the semis on here pre tournament
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 3, 2021 22:42:33 GMT
But... As everyone likes to do when we bring up England stats....have you seen who they were playing? Largely teams like Moldova, Georgia (who drew against them), N. Ireland, Gibraltar etc. They've had the odd Austria here and there and Germany (who they drew with around the same time N. Macedonia beat Germany) but it's not as if they've been playing top ten sides regularly and sweeping them aside. A bit of perspective and balance here is needed. As i said, people always like to trot out the "Yeah but they're shit sides" when we mention England's impressive runs. Denmark, in reality (and emotions of this tournent and what happened to them aside) aren't really a side that this England team should ever feel worried about. Edit: Admittedly most of that is me trying to convince myself so i'm not shitting it too much for the next 4 days, but it is true nonetheless. I think more a case of that they have gone under the radar a bit for the decent team they are with all that's gone on. Can I jut point out that I tipped them for the semis on here pre tournament They went under the radar because they're a side that have beaten teams you'd largely expect them to beat i.e teams below them in the rankings. Also drew and lost against teams well below them in the rankings and haven't beaten anyone above them in the rankings. That's why they "went under the radar" Don't get me wrong, they are decent but not a side we should be worried about. I'm simply putting some actual factual context behind the emotion of the Eriksen thing and the "only 2 sides have beaten them in the last couple of years" line.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 22:47:25 GMT
I think more a case of that they have gone under the radar a bit for the decent team they are with all that's gone on. Can I jut point out that I tipped them for the semis on here pre tournament They went under the radar because they're a side that have beaten teams you'd largely expect them to beat i.e teams below them in the rankings. Also drew against teams below them in the rankings and haven't beaten anyone above them in the rankings. Don't get me wrong, they are decent but not a side we should be worried about. I'm simply putting some actual factual context behind the emotion of the Eriksen thing and the "only 2 sides have beaten them in the last couple of years" line. To an extent yep but but got some some good players. You could argue that until the tournament the same could be said of England. Think be goals in it both ends but England should have enough.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 3, 2021 22:48:06 GMT
I think more a case of that they have gone under the radar a bit for the decent team they are with all that's gone on. Can I jut point out that I tipped them for the semis on here pre tournament They went under the radar because they're a side that have beaten teams you'd largely expect them to beat i.e teams below them in the rankings. Also drew and lost against teams well below them in the rankings and haven't beaten anyone above them in the rankings. That's why they "went under the radar" Don't get me wrong, they are decent but not a side we should be worried about. I'm simply putting some actual factual context behind the emotion of the Eriksen thing and the "only 2 sides have beaten them in the last couple of years" line. Solid England win coming up
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 3, 2021 22:51:26 GMT
They went under the radar because they're a side that have beaten teams you'd largely expect them to beat i.e teams below them in the rankings. Also drew against teams below them in the rankings and haven't beaten anyone above them in the rankings. Don't get me wrong, they are decent but not a side we should be worried about. I'm simply putting some actual factual context behind the emotion of the Eriksen thing and the "only 2 sides have beaten them in the last couple of years" line. To an extent yep but but got some some good players. You could argue that until the tournament the same could be said of England. Think be goals in it both ends but England should have enough. Oh,i agree they'll be the toughest test yet but if we played them usually, they're a team you'd expect a result against more often than not. Plus, as others have said, they looked dead towards the end today against a Czech side we didn't exactly thrash, but were very comfortable against. My main concern about facing them was if we had to go to 120 mins tonight before playing them but i think this group of players should see it out comfortably (but then i always remember one word....Iceland!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 22:54:51 GMT
To an extent yep but but got some some good players. You could argue that until the tournament the same could be said of England. Think be goals in it both ends but England should have enough. Oh,i agree they'll be the toughest test yet but if we played them usually, they're a team you'd expect a result against. Plus, as others have said, they looked dead towards the end today against a Czech side we didn't exactly thrash, but were very comfortable against. My main concern about facing them was if we had to go to 120 mins tonight before playing them but i think this group of players should see it out comfortably (but then i always remember one word....Iceland!) I thought tonight would be tougher but second half was nothing short of a crucifixion. Be two great semis either way. Looking forward to them. Italy v England be some final if it happens.
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Post by Sfance on Jul 3, 2021 22:56:59 GMT
Mount was fine. Walker on the other hand, I have no idea why he plays. Mount did nowt. True and it rhymes 😂 Walker has been good bar the opening game. One of the best full backs in the world presently. Cue - Walker puts it in his own net past an annoyed Pickford.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Jul 3, 2021 23:25:07 GMT
The final will not be easy for England.
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 3, 2021 23:31:05 GMT
The final will not be easy for England. To be honest I’m looking to an Italy v England final. I don’t think that’s arrogance, it’s just realism based on how good we looks against a Denmark that looks like it’s running out of gas. We know how good Italy have been this tournament. Are we good enough to beat them… or realistically, should we be content to be a beaten finalist?
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Post by Dr Hesham on Jul 3, 2021 23:42:25 GMT
The final will not be easy for England. To be honest I’m looking to an Italy v England final. I don’t think that’s arrogance, it’s just realism based on how good we looks against a Denmark that looks like it’s running out of gas. We know how good Italy have been this tournament. Are we good enough to beat them… or realistically, should we be content to be a beaten finalist? I think England vs Italy will be a fair final according to their performance so far, England has better players but if Italy scores first they know how to kill the game. France, Belgium, Portugal, Germany and Netherlands are better teams than Spain and Italy, if England cant win this tournament with the next two games in Wembley so when will win it? , anyway knockout games are risky and the proof is that the 5 mentioned teams above have been knocked out already. The most dangerous thing for England team is the media hype, underdog opponent certainly love this hype.
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Post by Gods on Jul 4, 2021 0:17:40 GMT
It would annoy me if a team that lost 2 out of 3 group games and squeaked into the knockout stages with just 3pts made it to the final. But that's tournament football I guess. Denmark won the Euros in 92 having failed to qualify. Knock Out football is as chancy a business as you will find in sport. 'May the best team win'...you'll be lucky!
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 4, 2021 4:57:28 GMT
Southgate’s selections are intriguing.
He is clearly looking to set his team up game by game which is a really good thing bearing in mind how much talent he has at his disposal. I don’t like that mantra “don’t change a winning team” and nor, it seems, does Southgate.
It was therefore good to see him back on the front foot against Ukraine after that negative formation against Germany (which did, of course, produce a win but we would have won with his standard 4-2-3-1 formation).
Anyway, assuming we stay with 4-2-3-1 there are just two attacking midfield places up for grabs for the semi final to play alongside Stirling.
And he has plenty of options there.
My preference would be Foden and Sancho.
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Post by apb1 on Jul 4, 2021 6:31:48 GMT
Weren't Croatia meant to be okd and tired in 2018. This will be a much tougher test than people are making out. Still think we can do it but they have goalscorers, pace, skill and a strong team ethic. They might not be so shit against crosses as Ukraine either.
Can’t wait!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 4, 2021 6:58:38 GMT
Southgate’s selections are intriguing. He is clearly looking to set his team up game by game which is a really good thing bearing in mind how much talent he has at his disposal. I don’t like that mantra “don’t change a winning team” and nor, it seems, does Southgate. It was therefore good to see him back on the front foot against Ukraine after that negative formation against Germany (which did, of course, produce a win but we would have won with his standard 4-2-3-1 formation). Anyway, assuming we stay with 4-2-3-1 there are just two attacking midfield places up for grabs for the semi final to play alongside Stirling. And he has plenty of options there. My preference would be Foden and Sancho. Mine too. I’m not sure that Mount has bought enough to the table attacking wise. The game seemed to bypass him a bit yesterday whereas Sancho took his opportunity. I think Mount is one of Southgates go too’s though.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 4, 2021 7:41:57 GMT
I think whatever happens now, credit has to go to the entire England set up for building a belief, confidence and especially the groundedness in not getting carried away, that getting to the deep end of tournaments like this is something that we should be achieving fairly regularly in England, just like they do in Germany, Italy, France and Spain.
Of course, if you are one of six or so sides who should be good enough to reach the semis or final, and there are only four spaces then clearly some of those will miss out from time to time, like Germany and France have just done, but those times should be the exceptions rather than the expectations, which is unfortunately how it's been for England for far too long.
However long Southgate stays and whoever eventually takes over, this process must continue again and again, so that we lose the under-achievers tag and become a team and nation that people think of in the same terms as those other sides. That, in itself, will help us win games and trophies.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 4, 2021 8:04:44 GMT
Mount was fine. Walker on the other hand, I have no idea why he plays. Mount did nowt. True and it rhymes 😂 Walker has been good bar the opening game. One of the best full backs in the world presently. Give over. He’s not one of the best fullbacks in the world. He’s always prone for a lapse which we saw last night again. We’ve been fortunate not to have a mistake cost us so far (there have been a couple of big ones) we need to make sure we doing do it against Denmark as we probably will be punished
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Post by lordb on Jul 4, 2021 8:06:10 GMT
Mount did nowt. True and it rhymes 😂 Walker has been good bar the opening game. One of the best full backs in the world presently. Give over. He’s not one of the best fullbacks in the world. He’s always prone for a lapse which we saw last night again. We’ve been fortunate not to have a mistake cost us so far (there have been a couple of big ones) we need to make sure we doing do it against Denmark as we probably will be punished Walker has made one mistake in the tournament That's good going Been less impressed by him going forward but his defending has been excellent
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2021 8:08:44 GMT
Mount did nowt. True and it rhymes 😂 Walker has been good bar the opening game. One of the best full backs in the world presently. Give over. He’s not one of the best fullbacks in the world. He’s always prone for a lapse which we saw last night again. We’ve been fortunate not to have a mistake cost us so far (there have been a couple of big ones) we need to make sure we doing do it against Denmark as we probably will be punished Ah yeah sorry. That’s why he’s playing for one of the best teams in the world as a full back. Like Sterling he’s always been underrated.
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Post by cdf on Jul 4, 2021 8:12:21 GMT
The way Denmark played yesterday looked amazing but in reality they were far too open which will suit England and the way England set up, Denmark will not have the space to keep putting in the crosses and creating the chances they do. Due to how open they played yesterday they looked absolutely shattered near the end
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Post by cdf on Jul 4, 2021 8:13:54 GMT
I’d go this but with Walker at right back. Mount was about the only disappointing player tonight I thought. Foden in for him. Mount was fine. Walker on the other hand, I have no idea why he plays. Maybe because he is part of a defence that’s not conceded a goal in 5 games of tournament football
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 4, 2021 8:14:57 GMT
I'll be taking my teeth out for this one, or I'll have my nails bitten down to the quick. 😋
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 4, 2021 8:27:11 GMT
The final will not be easy for England. We have order the Bus and the Bunting , book your spot for the parade early
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Jul 4, 2021 9:53:28 GMT
England will go in to this game as clear favorites with a Wembley crowd behind them.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 4, 2021 10:07:35 GMT
Give over. He’s not one of the best fullbacks in the world. He’s always prone for a lapse which we saw last night again. We’ve been fortunate not to have a mistake cost us so far (there have been a couple of big ones) we need to make sure we doing do it against Denmark as we probably will be punished Walker has made one mistake in the tournament That's good going Been less impressed by him going forward but his defending has been excellent I agree. He seems to be really maturing defensively. Yeah
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Post by questionable on Jul 4, 2021 10:18:02 GMT
England will go in to this game as clear favorites with a Wembley crowd behind them. England just need to firmly believe they can win the competition now, certainly have the team to do it. I commented last night that our bench was as good as I can ever remember and they’d walk into any other teams starting eleven and we’d be raving about how good their team was. Foolishly I slated Southgate's initial selections but he’s played a blinder nullifying the oppositions strengths and somehow played to ours of late, see Yarlamenko who never had a sniff last night who’s previously shone in this competition. I’d love to see England lift the trophy to cap off a shit last 18 months or so but if they don’t so be it but one things for sure this is the most exciting squad I’ve ever seen and it won’t be long before we overtake the likes of Belgium and 100% will win competitions.
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