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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 11:48:35 GMT
Obviously not, it’s a completely different situation isn’t it! They wouldn’t be doing it too wind somebody up would they? Honestly if your brains were dynamite you wouldn’t have enough to blow your hat off! whats wrong with winding people up?....football fans and players do it all the time....it's not hurting anyone unless you are especially sensitive I suppose. The response to this is just so childish its beyond ridiculous. This is spot on. Fragile and insecure ENGERLUND supporters yet again happy giving it out but not being able to take it? Colour me absolutely and unequivocally surprised.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 30, 2021 11:56:35 GMT
Just looking at it from a different perspective ..... If you're Irish, it's possible that you consider England as invaders and oppressors of your homeland. As such, it could be a form of protest against centuries of English oppression. Not saying I agree with his form of "protest" and for non-woke causes (like protesting against the killing of unborn babies and unlike rioting for an end to police discrimination) one is always going to pick up a lot of flak. Don't we need to respect his viewpoint and acknowledge that there are wrongs that need to be addressed? Or is that the sole privilege of players taking the knee? And before people go berserk, I'm simply stating a different perspective. He's perfectly entitled to the viewpoint that he would like a United Ireland. Most of the wonderful people of Ireland think the same way but they don't get up to the same tricks he does. I hope one day it happens but the actions of stupid people like Mclean will delay the cause and not help it. Even the leaders of the IRA worked that one out. But, if they can put political history behind them, they then have to get over the massive hurdle of religious zealotry. That's the real obstacle; those who fanatically believe in a corrupt religion like Catholicism and those who follow a neo-Nationalist one like the Protestant Church. Whatever stupid stuff the idiot McClean gets up to, he's not doing it for a United Ireland. He's doing it because he's a nasty piece of work who hates the English. And that's why I want to see him out of my club. OS. I don’t disagree with you OS, and I’m opposed to any form of protest that causes conflict, but to continue the role of devil’s advocate for just a moment……. Is it up to the English to decide what form of protest the Irish should make? He is doing it on his own time as an individual. Now if he were playing for Ireland on the same day and wore a German shirt onto the field, pulling it off just before the whistle, that would not be on his own time and should be met with clear disapproval IMO - very similar to taking the knee before a game.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 30, 2021 12:02:02 GMT
The ROI and rest of the UK never support England. Just as I don't support them. He can wear what he wants. Who cares. He can wear whatever he wants, a German football kit, a balaclava, he can do what he wants in his own home. It's what he posts on social media to provoke a reaction that's the problem and there's been far too many. It's not just the British - Irish nonsense there's the posts about the manager, the pictures during lock down, it never ends. The moment you are only allowed to say (or type) what someone else finds acceptable, the battle is lost. It’s called censorship and is one of the first actions a totalitarian regime takes to gain control. If you don’t like something, don’t read/listen to it, but don’t try to limit what someone else is allowed to think or say.
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Post by Ron on Jun 30, 2021 12:04:50 GMT
He did this to wind folk up. You’re all giving him the pathetic reaction he wants to his childish antics. Why does it bother folk?
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 30, 2021 12:06:04 GMT
I think the over-riding issue here, is that he's another player that the majority want to see the back of. He's shit. If we're striving for a playing squad that fans can actually start to like again, this bloke's on the first bus out. He's the epitome of what we've grown to detest about some of our squad. Putting balaclavas on, wearing fancy dress, whatever, he can do what he wants, but he's an attention-seeking cock, has questionable (putting it kindly) political views, and is an appallingly limited footballer. And for that reason - I'm Out!! He is divisive and regardless of skill or lack of it, he needs to go, but we’ve got a 5 page thread saying he is not allowed to support Germany over England. Perhaps the best way to rub it in his face is to do a photoshop with the entire England team laughing at him crying in his German shirt?
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Post by samwidge on Jun 30, 2021 12:08:28 GMT
This is exactly what he wants and why attention seekers do what they do. It would bother him more if nobody reacted or mentioned it, but here we are pissing our knickers and getting wound up by a man in a football top. Absolutely this. All a show off wants is attention. Ignoring them takes all of there power away.
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Post by pottersrule on Jun 30, 2021 12:27:11 GMT
O’Neill is fed up of him & that’s why at the end of last season he was with the under 23s ( he wasn’t injured ) And let's not forget that O'Neil also grew up as a Catholic in NI, and is significantly older than JM so was already a grown man by the time the troubles started dying down. I'd love to know exactly what he thinks of some of JM's social media antics. He should be given a history lesson by some of the Irish soldiers who helped liberate Bergen and Belsen concentration camp,where 20,000 people were exterminated by the Germans.Fuckin stain with no brain.
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Post by peterpan1 on Jun 30, 2021 13:13:03 GMT
He did this to wind folk up. You’re all giving him the pathetic reaction he wants to his childish antics. Why does it bother folk? It bothers me, and I suspect others because he's associated with our club. What he does behind closed doors is his own business. When he broadcasts his antics/views to the world, then he opens himself up to ridicule. Just get rid of the bell end and let's move on.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 30, 2021 13:23:50 GMT
He did this to wind folk up. You’re all giving him the pathetic reaction he wants to his childish antics. Why does it bother folk? It bothers me, and I suspect others because he's associated with our club. What he does behind closed doors is his own business. When he broadcasts his antics/views to the world, then he opens himself up to ridicule. Just get rid of the bell end and let's move on. What is social media supposed to be. A forum for communicating with "friends" or a broadcast media to the world. If you don't want to see what a specific person has to say, don't follow/friend /whatever them. JM's twitter feed is exactly that, his twitter feed. He shares his thoughts with his "friends" and then others rebroadcast it all over the place. That's something similar to a person making an ill thought comment in the pub and having someone there then tell it to the local rag who prints it. And that's the sad thing about social media. As a kid you can say some ill conceived thing after a drug fueled party and 40 years later, after an exemplary life, that one comment will be dragged up and used against you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 13:31:50 GMT
The ROI and rest of the UK never support England. Just as I don't support them. He can wear what he wants. Who cares. True, but in my opinion someone who wears the kit of the opposition just because it’s England is just petty and childish. Same goes for those idiots at the fail buying Man City keys and have Man City parties on cup final day. It just shows a lack of class Or getting excited if Port Vale lose or get relegated etc or when Scotland get knocked out etc. Plenty guilty on here. Just daft banter and so many precious folk on here. Paddy Power did a great one today but would cause mass hysteria if posted on here. As for those saying he complains when he gets abuse. Are you seriously comparing death threats to your children to him winding a few up by wearing a football shirt?
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Post by tinofspam on Jun 30, 2021 13:36:34 GMT
The anti-banter police is in the hizzle, jokingly supporting the opposition should not be allowed. Snowflake level is very high, if you know a snowflake please contact them to so if they are okay.
I suppose he hasn’t helped himself with the people that dislike him but this is a joke, have seen a fair few Scots doing it, just laughed it off.
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Post by OldStokie on Jun 30, 2021 13:41:34 GMT
He's perfectly entitled to the viewpoint that he would like a United Ireland. Most of the wonderful people of Ireland think the same way but they don't get up to the same tricks he does. I hope one day it happens but the actions of stupid people like Mclean will delay the cause and not help it. Even the leaders of the IRA worked that one out. But, if they can put political history behind them, they then have to get over the massive hurdle of religious zealotry. That's the real obstacle; those who fanatically believe in a corrupt religion like Catholicism and those who follow a neo-Nationalist one like the Protestant Church. Whatever stupid stuff the idiot McClean gets up to, he's not doing it for a United Ireland. He's doing it because he's a nasty piece of work who hates the English. And that's why I want to see him out of my club. OS. I don’t disagree with you OS, and I’m opposed to any form of protest that causes conflict, but to continue the role of devil’s advocate for just a moment……. Is it up to the English to decide what form of protest the Irish should make? He is doing it on his own time as an individual. Now if he were playing for Ireland on the same day and wore a German shirt onto the field, pulling it off just before the whistle, that would not be on his own time and should be met with clear disapproval IMO - very similar to taking the knee before a game. Devil's Advocate! Don't give up your day job and get a wig whatever you do. LOL. Your post below. Freedom of speech and censorship is the first step to a totalitarian regime. Wish I'd got a couple of hours to debate that one with you. But I haven't so we'll both have a little giggle and get on with the day. My cheese and tomato butty and a nap are more important at the moment. (It's not easy being old and having to deal with you kiddies.) Enjoy your day. OS.
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 30, 2021 13:43:12 GMT
It bothers me, and I suspect others because he's associated with our club. What he does behind closed doors is his own business. When he broadcasts his antics/views to the world, then he opens himself up to ridicule. Just get rid of the bell end and let's move on. What is social media supposed to be. A forum for communicating with "friends" or a broadcast media to the world. If you don't want to see what a specific person has to say, don't follow/friend /whatever them. JM's twitter feed is exactly that, his twitter feed. He shares his thoughts with his "friends" and then others rebroadcast it all over the place. That's something similar to a person making an ill thought comment in the pub and having someone there then tell it to the local rag who prints it. And that's the sad thing about social media. As a kid you can say some ill conceived thing after a drug fueled party and 40 years later, after an exemplary life, that one comment will be dragged up and used against you. Very true. I once said to a colleague “come and stroke this, sugar tits” and the person I said it to raised a grievance many years down the line, but the truth is when I was asking him to pet my dog at work, he DID have sugar on his tits so it was really just a statement of fact. World has gone mad.
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 30, 2021 15:00:00 GMT
I don’t disagree with you OS, and I’m opposed to any form of protest that causes conflict, but to continue the role of devil’s advocate for just a moment……. Is it up to the English to decide what form of protest the Irish should make? He is doing it on his own time as an individual. Now if he were playing for Ireland on the same day and wore a German shirt onto the field, pulling it off just before the whistle, that would not be on his own time and should be met with clear disapproval IMO - very similar to taking the knee before a game. Devil's Advocate! Don't give up your day job and get a wig whatever you do. LOL. Your post below. Freedom of speech and censorship is the first step to a totalitarian regime. Wish I'd got a couple of hours to debate that one with you. But I haven't so we'll both have a little giggle and get on with the day. My cheese and tomato butty and a nap are more important at the moment. (It's not easy being old and having to deal with you kiddies.) Enjoy your day. OS. I know how that feels! Unfortunately I never mastered the art of napping during the day. Every afternoon my wife goes for a nap and I'm left to cause as much mayhem as I can! A wig .... hmmm..... hadn't thought of that, could be quite a sight!
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Post by GoBoks on Jun 30, 2021 15:04:21 GMT
What is social media supposed to be. A forum for communicating with "friends" or a broadcast media to the world. If you don't want to see what a specific person has to say, don't follow/friend /whatever them. JM's twitter feed is exactly that, his twitter feed. He shares his thoughts with his "friends" and then others rebroadcast it all over the place. That's something similar to a person making an ill thought comment in the pub and having someone there then tell it to the local rag who prints it. And that's the sad thing about social media. As a kid you can say some ill conceived thing after a drug fueled party and 40 years later, after an exemplary life, that one comment will be dragged up and used against you. Very true. I once said to a colleague “come and stroke this, sugar tits” and the person I said it to raised a grievance many years down the line, but the truth is when I was asking him to pet my dog at work, he DID have sugar on his tits so it was really just a statement of fact. World has gone mad. While it wasn't a 40 year gap, I really felt sorry for the English cricketer that was castigated just the other day. Amazingly, here in the US, our illustrious President's son has e-mails from a couple of years ago which are blatantly offensive and racist, yet nothing seems to be said. But then again, our illustrious President hasn't got such a good record either, so I guess it doesn't really matter in the end.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 30, 2021 15:05:50 GMT
Instead of trying to wind people up in a childish manner he should practice crossing a ball for maybe an hour a day. I mean, for a professional footballer who plays in a position where that attribute is essential (in his 30's) it's quite frankly embarrassing he manages to play at such a high level.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jun 30, 2021 15:50:41 GMT
So what if he's in a German shirt. Would it bother you if any of our foreign players wore a German shirt?
Eire is not part of the UK, he's free to support whoever he wishes. He hasn't had much success over the past 12 months but he's succeeded in winding you up. Go and do something useful.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jun 30, 2021 15:51:21 GMT
If an England fan or English player was supporting another country to beat Scotland the outrage would be......Zero. But they wouldn't get dressed up in a full kit of the Jocks opponents would they? Maybe they couldn't afford it.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jun 30, 2021 15:52:48 GMT
If this incident was in a vacuum then sure, chalk it down to banter. What about the paramilitary tweet where the club fined him though? Was that "pure banter"? I'm not saying he should get fined for this, but it's a culmination of incidents rather than a one-off post that gives you a strong insight into what sort of cretin this guy is. He's a toxic combination of lowlife/retard. And I don't use that latter term lightly, I legitimately think that the way he conducts himself is indicative of somebody who would get diagnosed with mild-retardation on a good day. My retardation? Is that a medical term? He's a wind up merchant and you idiots fall for everytime.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jun 30, 2021 15:55:39 GMT
I would kindly suggest people need to get over themselves. Everybody getting angry about it has probably used the word 'snowflake' or accused someone else of being 'offended'.
"He is paid by the english"
The money in the game wouldn't be possible if it was a british/english game.
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Post by Royal Donut on Jun 30, 2021 16:28:56 GMT
If this incident was in a vacuum then sure, chalk it down to banter. What about the paramilitary tweet where the club fined him though? Was that "pure banter"? I'm not saying he should get fined for this, but it's a culmination of incidents rather than a one-off post that gives you a strong insight into what sort of cretin this guy is. He's a toxic combination of lowlife/retard. And I don't use that latter term lightly, I legitimately think that the way he conducts himself is indicative of somebody who would get diagnosed with mild-retardation on a good day. My retardation? Is that a medical term? He's a wind up merchant and you idiots fall for everytime. Who's the idiot though, he does it to an extent where he gets death threats, no one who comes from the same country gets this. He makes his own bed, now he can sleep in it, oh and stop complaining all the time about the abuse he gets, it's as if he likes the attention. Let's be honest it's what he's most famous for, not his football ability unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 17:09:49 GMT
If this incident was in a vacuum then sure, chalk it down to banter. What about the paramilitary tweet where the club fined him though? Was that "pure banter"? I'm not saying he should get fined for this, but it's a culmination of incidents rather than a one-off post that gives you a strong insight into what sort of cretin this guy is. He's a toxic combination of lowlife/retard. And I don't use that latter term lightly, I legitimately think that the way he conducts himself is indicative of somebody who would get diagnosed with mild-retardation on a good day. My retardation? Is that a medical term? He's a wind up merchant and you idiots fall for everytime. Mild-retardation was probably the medical term in the 50s. I chose that instead of "slow adult" as the latter doesn't quite have the same bite or ring to it.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 30, 2021 18:09:42 GMT
Just looking at it from a different perspective ..... If you're Irish, it's possible that you consider England as invaders and oppressors of your homeland. As such, it could be a form of protest against centuries of English oppression. Not saying I agree with his form of "protest" and for non-woke causes (like protesting against the killing of unborn babies and unlike rioting for an end to police discrimination) one is always going to pick up a lot of flak. Don't we need to respect his viewpoint and acknowledge that there are wrongs that need to be addressed? Or is that the sole privilege of players taking the knee? And before people go berserk, I'm simply stating a different perspective. If you hate England so much why would you spend your adult life living in the country you hate, bringing your family up in the country you hate and taking a very generous salary from the country you hate? The man is a walking contradiction... and a complete and utter knob obviously...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 18:21:52 GMT
Just looking at it from a different perspective ..... If you're Irish, it's possible that you consider England as invaders and oppressors of your homeland. As such, it could be a form of protest against centuries of English oppression. Not saying I agree with his form of "protest" and for non-woke causes (like protesting against the killing of unborn babies and unlike rioting for an end to police discrimination) one is always going to pick up a lot of flak. Don't we need to respect his viewpoint and acknowledge that there are wrongs that need to be addressed? Or is that the sole privilege of players taking the knee? And before people go berserk, I'm simply stating a different perspective. If you hate England so much why would you spend your adult life living in the country you hate, bringing your family up in the country you hate and taking a very generous salary from the country you hate? The man is a walking contradiction... and a complete and utter knob obviously... I mean, I'm not enthralled by the US, but I live here and will raise a family here as this is where my wife is from (and she earns a lot more in the US than she would elsewhere). I'm not going to uproot our family and move to the UK to earn 50% of the salary for the same work. It's not always so black and white. It wouldn't surprise me if he moves back to Ireland when he has finished earning.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 30, 2021 18:22:48 GMT
He joined the Scots who have been out buying German shirts I see. The hilarious thing about it all is Eire & Scotland are third world countries when it comes to football. Sad, bitter and twisted. I don't expect Scots, Welsh or Irish to support England and I certainly don't support them either. But imagine being sad enough to spend fifty odd quid on a top they'll wear once 😎
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Post by thevoid on Jun 30, 2021 18:23:42 GMT
He joined the Scots who have been out buying German shirts I see. The hilarious thing about it all is Eire & Scotland are third world countries when it comes to football. Sad, bitter and twisted. No its a shirt he swapped when he played against germany...... It's probably the closest he got to Kroos all game
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 30, 2021 18:26:20 GMT
If you hate England so much why would you spend your adult life living in the country you hate, bringing your family up in the country you hate and taking a very generous salary from the country you hate? The man is a walking contradiction... and a complete and utter knob obviously... I mean, I'm not enthralled by the US, but I live here and will raise a family here as this is where my wife is from (and she earns a lot more in the US than she would elsewhere). I'm not going to uproot our family and move to the UK to earn 50% of the salary for the same work. It's not always so black and white. It wouldn't surprise me if he moves back to Ireland when he has finished earning. Do you have a pathological hatred of the US though?
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Post by thevoid on Jun 30, 2021 18:27:57 GMT
Here we go… the Stoke fan board going mental because a player has worn a shirt that doesn’t fit with the xenophobic narrative is sooo out of order…. 🥱 If you’re outraged at this, you need give a good check at yourselves and try and get out more into modern society. If your outraged because of old royalist/boring conflict reason…? No one really cares of your sentiments. 🤷🏻♂️ Sssh The Oracle has spoken and 'potterburt' has decreed that no one cares. End of thread everyone 😎
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 18:32:31 GMT
I mean, I'm not enthralled by the US, but I live here and will raise a family here as this is where my wife is from (and she earns a lot more in the US than she would elsewhere). I'm not going to uproot our family and move to the UK to earn 50% of the salary for the same work. It's not always so black and white. It wouldn't surprise me if he moves back to Ireland when he has finished earning. Do you have a pathological hatred of th US though? No, but the last war/battle between the US and the UK was a lot longer ago. There's not really any underlying animosity between the clubs. I don't think he helps himself at all. I don't mind him doing the wind up personally, I would expect him to accept some grief by doing it. I don't think that he deserves death threats for winding people up though.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 30, 2021 18:43:20 GMT
It’s his rationale for it though purposely trying to wind up the people of the country he earns in… I know English people who live and work in Spain who support England football team......even when they play Spain....they even wear England shirts, would that wind you up? Hardly the same is it 😀 That's like going to an Italian restaurant or bar in the UK during an Italy match and being offended or surprised if the owners wore Italian shirts. I watched the 2006 World Cup Final at the Med Bar (Italian) in Cobridge and it was a great night as we all wanted the French to lose. A better example would be if an English player based in Spain deliberately made a point of wearing Spain's opponent's shirt and regularly posted references to ETA terrorists on social media. A lot of Spanish people would be pissed off.
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