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Post by yyy on Jun 28, 2021 17:18:08 GMT
Asprilla wasn't even signed from South America anyway. He came from Parma. I presume this relates to players signed directly from South America. Not South Americans already playing in Europe? 1 season in italy
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Post by gawa on Jun 28, 2021 17:20:34 GMT
Asprilla wasn't even signed from South America anyway. He came from Parma. I presume this relates to players signed directly from South America. Not South Americans already playing in Europe? 1 season in italy 4 seasons in Italy
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 28, 2021 17:23:24 GMT
Asprilla wasn't even signed from South America anyway. He came from Parma. I presume this relates to players signed directly from South America. Not South Americans already playing in Europe? EU and non EU sovereign countries are ALL 3rd countries now as far as entry to the UK to work is concerned. The only exception is the Republic of Ireland because, since their independence, they and us have a common travel area allowing free movement of citizens between the two countries.
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Post by yyy on Jun 28, 2021 17:37:05 GMT
Asprilla wasn't even signed from South America anyway. He came from Parma. I presume this relates to players signed directly from South America. Not South Americans already playing in Europe? EU and non EU sovereign countries are ALL 3rd countries now as far as entry to the UK to work is concerned. The only exception is the Republic of Ireland because, since their independence, they and us have a common travel area allowing free movement of citizens between the two countries. It's in there some way down. That was it, the points scoring system has changed for work permits and now South American players come into the equation. Players get points from different things, the criteria has changed opening the doors for many that have shut for others. 550 odd players. Second to bottom paragraph www.brabners.com/blogs/football-transfers-post-brexit-era
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jun 28, 2021 18:04:38 GMT
Anyway, when is Alistair signing.
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Post by lordb on Jun 28, 2021 18:14:23 GMT
EU and non EU sovereign countries are ALL 3rd countries now as far as entry to the UK to work is concerned. The only exception is the Republic of Ireland because, since their independence, they and us have a common travel area allowing free movement of citizens between the two countries. It's in there some way down. That was it, the points scoring system has changed for work permits and now South American players come into the equation. Players get points from different things, the criteria has changed opening the doors for many that have shut for others. 550 odd players. Second to bottom paragraph www.brabners.com/blogs/football-transfers-post-brexit-eraSo those eligible, internationals with higher ranked nations...will go to the Premier League...or not?
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 28, 2021 18:21:16 GMT
The qualification criteria for non-EU players was agreed between the football authorities and the British Government (in response to the players' concerns about being squeezed out of work by 'cheap imports'.) So medocre players couldn't come here. Employment rules when we were inside the EU made this unenforceable. Now, (l assume) EU countries are treated the same as everywhere else. Unless l've missed something, that doesn't alter the criteria for non-EU players, though.
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Post by yyy on Jun 28, 2021 18:21:45 GMT
It's in there some way down. That was it, the points scoring system has changed for work permits and now South American players come into the equation. Players get points from different things, the criteria has changed opening the doors for many that have shut for others. 550 odd players. Second to bottom paragraph www.brabners.com/blogs/football-transfers-post-brexit-eraSo those eligible, internationals with higher ranked nations...will go to the Premier League...or not? 550 of them?
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Post by lordb on Jun 28, 2021 18:32:01 GMT
So those eligible, internationals with higher ranked nations...will go to the Premier League...or not? 550 of them? No but how may of those 550 would want to play in the Championship when they could get top flight elsewhere or even second tier in Spain Can't see more than the odd player coming to the Championship
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Post by bgreen13 on Jun 28, 2021 18:35:14 GMT
Anyway, when is Alistair signing. Who?
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Post by yyy on Jun 28, 2021 18:43:20 GMT
No but how may of those 550 would want to play in the Championship when they could get top flight elsewhere or even second tier in Spain Can't see more than the odd player coming to the Championship That's a defeatist way of thinking imo. Contracts will run out same as any other league. Personally, I'd like to see a team with a bit of flair and technical ability in it instead of a team solely of triers from the british isles, especially in this division. Its an entertainment business and scfc over the past 6 years or more havn't done much entertaining
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Post by norniron on Jun 28, 2021 19:22:11 GMT
If you can pick up Ali McCann for £1-2 million then you are getting a bargain, he is a brilliant prospect, i have been watching him since he made his NI u21 debut in 2019 and have also followed his progess with St Johnstone, he made his full NI debut against Austia last year and was the best player in the NI team that night, a few days later he followed that up by being man of the match in the game against Romania, so irrespective of the strength or weakness of the SPL, he has been very impressive against decent quality international teams. He is a pressing machine who has incredible stamina and is rarely injured, he is confident on the ball and has a decent passing range, from speaking to people who have been with him at NI, he is a quiet lad, who is really dedicated to his football and is works really hard on the training pitch and is desperate to improve. It will be interesting to see if he does move to England or goes to one of the Old Firm as both have heavily scouted him.
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Post by yyy on Jun 28, 2021 19:33:12 GMT
If you can pick up Ali McCann for £1-2 million then you are getting a bargain, he is a brilliant prospect, i have been watching him since he made his NI u21 debut in 2019 and have also followed his progess with St Johnstone, he made his full NI debut against Austia last year and was the best player in the NI team that night, a few days later he followed that up by being man of the match in the game against Romania, so irrespective of the strength or weakness of the SPL, he has been very impressive against decent quality international teams. He is a pressing machine who has incredible stamina and is rarely injured, he is confident on the ball and has a decent passing range, from speaking to people who have been with him at NI, he is a quiet lad, who is really dedicated to his football and is works really hard on the training pitch and is desperate to improve. It will be interesting to see if he does move to England or goes to one of the Old Firm as both have heavily scouted him. Interesting, thanks for posting that, hopefully he is and we have done our homework 👍
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 29, 2021 8:21:42 GMT
No but how may of those 550 would want to play in the Championship when they could get top flight elsewhere or even second tier in Spain Can't see more than the odd player coming to the Championship That's a defeatist way of thinking imo. Contracts will run out same as any other league. Personally, I'd like to see a team with a bit of flair and technical ability in it instead of a team solely of triers from the british isles, especially in this division. Its an entertainment business and scfc over the past 6 years or more havn't done much entertaining So that video you once saw turns out to be the article I posted that says exactly the opposite of what you claim that video you once saw said. Either that or that video said exactly the same as that article and you misread it. There's nothing defeatist about recognising that 550 of the best players in South America are going to choose to play in the best teams in the best leagues in the world for the highest wages available - that's just being realistic. We are a mid table in the Championship - we aren't fishing in that pond. You may want exciting overseas talent to come and ply their trade at Stoke but given the restrictions on movement post Brexit and our position as a mid table Championship team it simply isn't going to happen. What matters is O'Neill's ability to turn the players we can attract into a team that is better than the sum of its parts and given the restrictions we are living under most of those players are going to be UK based. We aren't going to buy our way out of this league by playing Galactico football - we're going to graft our way out of this league through teamwork. If we do that we can start fishing in those ponds with the more entertaining fish.
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Post by tqstokie on Jun 29, 2021 12:01:23 GMT
An interesting concept entertaining fish!
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Post by yyy on Jun 29, 2021 12:35:49 GMT
That's a defeatist way of thinking imo. Contracts will run out same as any other league. Personally, I'd like to see a team with a bit of flair and technical ability in it instead of a team solely of triers from the british isles, especially in this division. Its an entertainment business and scfc over the past 6 years or more havn't done much entertaining So that video you once saw turns out to be the article I posted that says exactly the opposite of what you claim that video you once saw said. Either that or that video said exactly the same as that article and you misread it. There's nothing defeatist about recognising that 550 of the best players in South America are going to choose to play in the best teams in the best leagues in the world for the highest wages available - that's just being realistic. We are a mid table in the Championship - we aren't fishing in that pond. You may want exciting overseas talent to come and ply their trade at Stoke but given the restrictions on movement post Brexit and our position as a mid table Championship team it simply isn't going to happen. What matters is O'Neill's ability to turn the players we can attract into a team that is better than the sum of its parts and given the restrictions we are living under most of those players are going to be UK based. We aren't going to buy our way out of this league by playing Galactico football - we're going to graft our way out of this league through teamwork. If we do that we can start fishing in those ponds with the more entertaining fish. Sorry that's rubbish, 550 players won't all be catching a jumbo jet to the Premiership there isn't enough clubs. You make us sound like a proper small time outfit that can't afford room for flair. You'll also probably find Argentinian and mexican players are more robust than the manicured pampered pansies of English football aswell, they are naturally technically gifted though as a plus. Also I find it hard to believe that in division 2 of English football there is no room for flair or technical ability, that's just a personal assumption based on absolutely nothing, Fuller was full of flair, Hoekstra was full of technical ability. Them markets are open to be exploited, it says as much in the second to last paragraph. If they'll sign in Russia and Eastern European Countries they will sign for a second division championship club with a 45 minute drive to The biggest club in world football. If they can't sell the club which is their job then Employ me, I'll sell them the move, I can sell ice to Eskimos, which is the thing, its about presentation and how you approach foreign players. You Get known as a club to showcase your talents at and once one comes through the door and is sold on, others will follow the same route. Sign some entertaining players please scfc, it's currently awful to watch, really bad. It's so fcking boring I'm often asleep for the second half and that's not an exaggeration. Every week you look forward to matchday and then see a team potless of skill, technical ability and flare and every week its an anti climax. Football is an entertainment business, start doing a bit please.
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Post by yyy on Jun 29, 2021 14:03:21 GMT
That's a defeatist way of thinking imo. Contracts will run out same as any other league. Personally, I'd like to see a team with a bit of flair and technical ability in it instead of a team solely of triers from the british isles, especially in this division. Its an entertainment business and scfc over the past 6 years or more havn't done much entertaining So that video you once saw turns out to be the article I posted that says exactly the opposite of what you claim that video you once saw said. Either that or that video said exactly the same as that article and you misread it. There's nothing defeatist about recognising that 550 of the best players in South America are going to choose to play in the best teams in the best leagues in the world for the highest wages available - that's just being realistic. We are a mid table in the Championship - we aren't fishing in that pond. You may want exciting overseas talent to come and ply their trade at Stoke but given the restrictions on movement post Brexit and our position as a mid table Championship team it simply isn't going to happen. What matters is O'Neill's ability to turn the players we can attract into a team that is better than the sum of its parts and given the restrictions we are living under most of those players are going to be UK based. We aren't going to buy our way out of this league by playing Galactico football - we're going to graft our way out of this league through teamwork. If we do that we can start fishing in those ponds with the more entertaining fish. Further more, the average wage in the Argentinian top league is £4100 per week. So as for not fishing in that pond, can you answer why?
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Post by lordb on Jun 29, 2021 14:26:01 GMT
So that video you once saw turns out to be the article I posted that says exactly the opposite of what you claim that video you once saw said. Either that or that video said exactly the same as that article and you misread it. There's nothing defeatist about recognising that 550 of the best players in South America are going to choose to play in the best teams in the best leagues in the world for the highest wages available - that's just being realistic. We are a mid table in the Championship - we aren't fishing in that pond. You may want exciting overseas talent to come and ply their trade at Stoke but given the restrictions on movement post Brexit and our position as a mid table Championship team it simply isn't going to happen. What matters is O'Neill's ability to turn the players we can attract into a team that is better than the sum of its parts and given the restrictions we are living under most of those players are going to be UK based. We aren't going to buy our way out of this league by playing Galactico football - we're going to graft our way out of this league through teamwork. If we do that we can start fishing in those ponds with the more entertaining fish. Further more, the average wage in the Argentinian top league is £4100 per week. So as for not fishing in that pond, can you answer why? because 99% of those players will get better (in their eyes) than Championship whether that's Premier League or other leagues in Europe
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Post by yyy on Jun 29, 2021 14:29:38 GMT
Further more, the average wage in the Argentinian top league is £4100 per week. So as for not fishing in that pond, can you answer why? because 99% of those players will get better (in their eyes) than Championship whether that's Premier League or other leagues in Europe Can't see it tbh, Championship is a highly respected league and the gateway to the Premiership, a good opportunity for any player that aspires to play Premiership football, imo
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 29, 2021 15:48:16 GMT
because 99% of those players will get better (in their eyes) than Championship whether that's Premier League or other leagues in Europe Can't see it tbh, Championship is a highly respected league and the gateway to the Premiership, a good opportunity for any player that aspires to play Premiership football, imo If you think there are world class players out there queuing up to play in the Championship you're seriously deluded. If one of those players doesn't attract interest in the Premiership they'll be looking at the top European leagues or elsewhere. It's not even the case that we can attract raw talent - the rules mean only established players can get a work permit. It's not going to happen.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jun 29, 2021 17:13:53 GMT
My god this thread is tragic.
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 29, 2021 19:58:35 GMT
So, in summary:
Can we afford them - yes Will they want to come - maybe Will they get a work permit - probably not under the current rules.
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Post by markby on Jun 30, 2021 21:23:17 GMT
As both 'GAWA' and 'NornIron' say, McCann would be an absolute steal at £1m. And as someone who's watched him play for NI, as well as watching a LOT of Championship football, he's surely ready, even at 21, for that standatd of football. Indeed, if he can fulfil his potential (admittedly a big "if" with any youngster), then I could see him go on to become a PL player. Of course, we don't know whether Michael is genuinely interested, or whether it's lazy journalism (the NI link). But if he is, he'll know all about him, not just because of his Scottish contacts, but also because his old mate Ian Baraclough gave Ali his NI U-21 caps to start with (6 caps), then introduced him to the senior team (5 caps). Btw, Ali came through Hutchison Vale Boys Club - always a good recommendation: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47962601
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Post by lordb on Jun 30, 2021 21:55:08 GMT
As both 'GAWA' and 'NornIron' say, McCann would be an absolute steal at £1m. And as someone who's watched him play for NI, as well as watching a LOT of Championship football, he's surely ready, even at 21, for that standatd of football. Indeed, if he can fulfil his potential (admittedly a big "if" with any youngster), then I could see him go on to become a PL player. Of course, we don't know whether Michael is genuinely interested, or whether it's lazy journalism (the NI link). But if he is, he'll know all about him, not just because of his Scottish contacts, but also because his old mate Ian Baraclough gave Ali his NI U-21 caps to start with (6 caps), then introduced him to the senior team (5 caps). Btw, Ali came through Hutchison Vale Boys Club - always a good recommendation: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47962601You we're doing great until you mentioned Vale...
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Post by Northy on Jul 1, 2021 9:06:23 GMT
As both 'GAWA' and 'NornIron' say, McCann would be an absolute steal at £1m. And as someone who's watched him play for NI, as well as watching a LOT of Championship football, he's surely ready, even at 21, for that standatd of football. Indeed, if he can fulfil his potential (admittedly a big "if" with any youngster), then I could see him go on to become a PL player. Of course, we don't know whether Michael is genuinely interested, or whether it's lazy journalism (the NI link). But if he is, he'll know all about him, not just because of his Scottish contacts, but also because his old mate Ian Baraclough gave Ali his NI U-21 caps to start with (6 caps), then introduced him to the senior team (5 caps). Btw, Ali came through Hutchison Vale Boys Club - always a good recommendation: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47962601Steven Tweed is on their list of graduates ..........
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 12, 2021 12:57:20 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Aug 12, 2021 13:18:51 GMT
He looks good but seeing way too much Joe Allen him in from those highlight reels.
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Post by StokieSideAss on Aug 12, 2021 13:22:37 GMT
10 years younger than Joe and probably on 45k less a week.....whats not to like?
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 12, 2021 14:01:54 GMT
There's no way with all the interest in him he will be coming here, even if we were interested.
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Post by mrpickles on Aug 12, 2021 14:14:54 GMT
There's no way with all the interest in him he will be coming here, even if we were interested. Starting to think that myself sadly. He's been getting way too much publicity since the Galatasaray game. Wouldn't even be surprised to see a bottom half premier League take a gamble on him Personally, I'd like Baker out of the 4 mentioned.
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