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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 16:04:26 GMT
We signed Nathan Collins from 'Cherry Orchard' whoever that is, less than five years ago.
If they're mustard they're mustard. I like how this forum is saying why don't we sign cheap, young, less risky players from small/lower leagues and then when we do they're annoyed that they're a relative nobody.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 27, 2021 16:09:07 GMT
We signed Nathan Collins from 'Cherry Orchard' whoever that is, less than five years ago. If they're mustard they're mustard. I like how this forum is saying why don't we sign cheap, young, less risky players from small/lower leagues and then when we do they're annoyed that they're a relative nobody. I love it. Like I have no idea who these fuckers are. Much better than being linked with McClean et al and knowing they’re gonna be wank.
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Post by yyy on Jun 27, 2021 16:18:52 GMT
Suppose it's just a personal thing, do you ever get a gut feeling when Stoke are linked to a player? I trust mine. I think DM is a position we should invest in a proven player of a certain standard, it's that player that allows you to play football. It's an important position, however I did like the sound of that Allan Campbell that Luton have signed If we can convince etebo to play for us alongside clucas I think we'd have everything in midfield. I'd be happy with Etebo playing as a holding defensive mid myself
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Post by yyy on Jun 27, 2021 16:23:36 GMT
We signed Nathan Collins from 'Cherry Orchard' whoever that is, less than five years ago. If they're mustard they're mustard. I like how this forum is saying why don't we sign cheap, young, less risky players from small/lower leagues and then when we do they're annoyed that they're a relative nobody. Nathan Collins has it all to prove, he's got the raw materials. As of yet he hasn't proved to be a championship regular at CB. Infact when he come up against Tom Pope it was men against boys. Did well at RB before his injury though. Interested to see how he does with a fee and rave reviews over his head. Burnley fans will be expecting
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Post by thehoof on Jun 27, 2021 16:37:22 GMT
If we can convince etebo to play for us alongside clucas I think we'd have everything in midfield. I'd be happy with Etebo playing as a holding defensive mid myself I’d be happy if someone would take him off our hands;I don’t know how often he has to make it clear he doesn’t want to be here, and for the record we finished highest in the championship when the superstar was nowhere to be seen.
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Post by yyy on Jun 27, 2021 16:43:25 GMT
I'd be happy with Etebo playing as a holding defensive mid myself I’d be happy if someone would take him off our hands;I don’t know how often he has to make it clear he doesn’t want to be here, and for the record we finished highest in the championship when the superstar was nowhere to be seen. Not played as a holding player though was he, more a forward thinking Central midfielder. I just want us to sign a good defensive mid and a good striker. We saw with Whelan and Diao the difference a good Defensibe mid makes. Kante at Chelsea, massive to their success, taking a 'punt' in that position is a bit dodgy imo, if you get a dud you need to be scoring plenty of goals. DM is the spine of your team. Our Scottish scout must like scotch whiskey if our previous links of Shankland and the lad that signed for B'ham are anything to go by
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Post by thehoof on Jun 27, 2021 17:23:13 GMT
I’d be happy if someone would take him off our hands;I don’t know how often he has to make it clear he doesn’t want to be here, and for the record we finished highest in the championship when the superstar was nowhere to be seen. Not played as a holding player though was he, more a forward thinking Central midfielder. I just want us to sign a good defensive mid and a good striker. We saw with Whelan and Diao the difference a good Defensibe mid makes. Kante at Chelsea, massive to their success, taking a 'punt' in that position is a bit dodgy imo, if you get a dud you need to be scoring plenty of goals. DM is the spine of your team. Our Scottish scout must like scotch whiskey if our previous links of Shankland and the lad that signed for B'ham are anything to go by Don’t disagree with anything you’ve said there- I don’t think Etebo has the discipline or football intelligence to pay a proper DM role, and I don’t think he has any real desire to be here.
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Post by lordb on Jun 27, 2021 17:24:24 GMT
Not played as a holding player though was he, more a forward thinking Central midfielder. I just want us to sign a good defensive mid and a good striker. We saw with Whelan and Diao the difference a good Defensibe mid makes. Kante at Chelsea, massive to their success, taking a 'punt' in that position is a bit dodgy imo, if you get a dud you need to be scoring plenty of goals. DM is the spine of your team. Our Scottish scout must like scotch whiskey if our previous links of Shankland and the lad that signed for B'ham are anything to go by Don’t disagree with anything you’ve said there- I don’t think Etebo has the discipline or football intelligence to pay a proper DM role, and I don’t think he has any real desire to be here. It's public knowledge he doesn't want to be here
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jun 27, 2021 17:27:20 GMT
Apart from the fact all had good Prem careers except for McNair and Norwood. It’d beat our side at a canter. Suppose it's just a personal thing, do you ever get a gut feeling when Stoke are linked to a player? I trust mine. I think DM is a position we should invest in a proven player of a certain standard, it's that player that allows you to play football. It's an important position, however I did like the sound of that Allan Campbell that Luton have signed I do as well. But my gut instinct at signing Tom Ince was a good one and look how that turned out. At least if this guy flops we’ll probably break even, even with our crack negotiation skills.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 27, 2021 17:41:40 GMT
Can he play centre half as we only have 20 already on our books We have Souttar, Wilmot, Chester and Batth + Forrester who has just started his career. That's the right number although if Forrester goes out on loan imho we will be one short. Unless you are counting Bruno who is unlikely to play for Stoke again. Or are you still counting Winner and Lyndsey who have both left? To be honest I run out of fingers while counting 😉
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 27, 2021 17:42:35 GMT
Only got his NI debut a year or so ago but the best young player to come through in recent years. Reminds me of a young Steven Davis. He's a top talent and I think Celtic and a few other clubs have been linked with him recently. In today's market at £1 million, I think it's a steal. Great snooker player was Davis 😛
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 27, 2021 19:01:41 GMT
Only got his NI debut a year or so ago but the best young player to come through in recent years. Reminds me of a young Steven Davis. He's a top talent and I think Celtic and a few other clubs have been linked with him recently. In today's market at £1 million, I think it's a steal. Been talking to 2 lads I know north of the boarder (one Celtic one rangers) saying surprised rangers are going in for him at £1m. Rate him, think he’s got loads of potential, not afraid to get stuck in and can pick a pass. Similar to McGinn but not as physical is the vibe they were saying. Works for me to be fair.
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Post by yyy on Jun 27, 2021 19:17:46 GMT
Suppose it's just a personal thing, do you ever get a gut feeling when Stoke are linked to a player? I trust mine. I think DM is a position we should invest in a proven player of a certain standard, it's that player that allows you to play football. It's an important position, however I did like the sound of that Allan Campbell that Luton have signed I do as well. But my gut instinct at signing Tom Ince was a good one and look how that turned out. At least if this guy flops we’ll probably break even, even with our crack negotiation skills. If we stay up, our midfield has been shit for ages, we have never properly replaced Whelan, we've been on a downward spiral ever since. For a club like Stoke City IMHO it's real small time, we need this lad to raise his game & more. Its a crucial position, typical scfc. O.k great sign potential, but make the spine, especially the defensive part proven quality. An unproven punt in a crucial position is small time, if he fails the team does. Average isn't good enough, DM has to be a good player. If we are sure as a club about this player fair enough, but expect the flack if it doesn't work out, it smacks of incompetence
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Post by yyy on Jun 27, 2021 19:26:29 GMT
Not played as a holding player though was he, more a forward thinking Central midfielder. I just want us to sign a good defensive mid and a good striker. We saw with Whelan and Diao the difference a good Defensibe mid makes. Kante at Chelsea, massive to their success, taking a 'punt' in that position is a bit dodgy imo, if you get a dud you need to be scoring plenty of goals. DM is the spine of your team. Our Scottish scout must like scotch whiskey if our previous links of Shankland and the lad that signed for B'ham are anything to go by Don’t disagree with anything you’ve said there- I don’t think Etebo has the discipline or football intelligence to pay a proper DM role, and I don’t think he has any real desire to be here. If that's the actual case I agree, get rid
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Post by northernstokie on Jun 27, 2021 19:58:33 GMT
Don’t disagree with anything you’ve said there- I don’t think Etebo has the discipline or football intelligence to pay a proper DM role, and I don’t think he has any real desire to be here. It's public knowledge he doesn't want to be here Did something come out. I don't remember etebo saying he wanted out.
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Post by lordb on Jun 27, 2021 19:59:17 GMT
It's public knowledge he doesn't want to be here Did something come out. I don't remember etebo saying he wanted out. His agent has
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Post by northernstokie on Jun 27, 2021 20:00:22 GMT
Did something come out. I don't remember etebo saying he wanted out. His agent has Fair enough. Cheers mate
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 27, 2021 21:29:00 GMT
No he isn't. He's quite well likes as does a lot for people but nothing like a good made up story . Of course if he signs I want him to do well, Norther Irish players don't set the pulse racing though, I thought we were aiming for promotion, we need good footballers You thought wrong.
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Post by yyy on Jun 27, 2021 21:40:16 GMT
Of course if he signs I want him to do well, Norther Irish players don't set the pulse racing though, I thought we were aiming for promotion, we need good footballers You thought wrong. I'm beginning to wonder, see what the summer brings. Given our recruitment success in recent years its a bit worrying we are now shopping in lidl, if we have the same success with the lidl goods we had with the sainsbury gear, it doesn't look good. Hopefully we have changed our filters and strategy
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 27, 2021 21:43:07 GMT
Those worried about the lack of great NI players need not worry. McCann was actually born in Edinburgh, Scotland to a Northern Irish Father and an English mother. Apparently his ability to play football has been inherited through the genes of his English mother so we've probably got a potential gem on our hands - the latest in a long line of Galacticos with English DNA. Southgate will ne fuming at missing the opportunity to bag him for England!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 27, 2021 22:23:53 GMT
I'm beginning to wonder, see what the summer brings. Given our recruitment success in recent years its a bit worrying we are now shopping in lidl, if we have the same success with the lidl goods we had with the sainsbury gear, it doesn't look good. Hopefully we have changed our filters and strategy They've been playing down expectations the first chance they had, I'm just waiting for another "transition season" leading onto another one.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 27, 2021 22:28:48 GMT
Lessons have been learnt!
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Post by yyy on Jun 27, 2021 22:36:03 GMT
I'm beginning to wonder, see what the summer brings. Given our recruitment success in recent years its a bit worrying we are now shopping in lidl, if we have the same success with the lidl goods we had with the sainsbury gear, it doesn't look good. Hopefully we have changed our filters and strategy They've been playing down expectations the first chance they had, I'm just waiting for another "transition season" leading onto another one. At the end of the day it's a newspaper snippet, he could be one of many we are looking at. I just hope we have a good idea of what level our signings are actually at, mikel isn't getting any younger and neither are his legs. I'm yet to be convinced by our first team talent spotters. To release Cousins to sign this player hopefully suggests we have done our homework properly. To release cousins you would hope we are aiming at a higher talent
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Post by Sfance on Jun 28, 2021 0:21:05 GMT
Lessons have been learnt! By the fans.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 28, 2021 7:30:09 GMT
His impressions were decent but alas his material was shit.
It’s a no from me.....
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 28, 2021 9:58:46 GMT
I'm beginning to wonder, see what the summer brings. Given our recruitment success in recent years its a bit worrying we are now shopping in lidl, if we have the same success with the lidl goods we had with the sainsbury gear, it doesn't look good. Hopefully we have changed our filters and strategy The parachute payments have run out, we're still bogged down with high earners who don't want to play for us or we need to get rid of because they are past their sell by date, every ambitious young footballer and their agent out there now see us as just another mid table Championship team who in the dim and distant past had some time in the Premiership and the constraints of FFP still apply. Of course we're shopping at Lidl. If by "ambition" you mean shopping in Waitrose when we can't afford it what you really mean is putting on a veneer of being big time without the assets to support it. It's a stupid look - especially when the bailiffs come calling. The club do have the ambition to get promoted but they are going to have to shop in Lidl to do it. The ingredients will be cheap but it's what you do with them that counts.
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Post by yyy on Jun 28, 2021 10:03:41 GMT
I'm beginning to wonder, see what the summer brings. Given our recruitment success in recent years its a bit worrying we are now shopping in lidl, if we have the same success with the lidl goods we had with the sainsbury gear, it doesn't look good. Hopefully we have changed our filters and strategy The parachute payments have run out, we're still bogged down with high earners who don't want to play for us or we need to get rid of because they are past their sell by date, every ambitious young footballer and their agent out there now see us as just another mid table Championship team who in the dim and distant past had some time in the Premiership and the constraints of FFP still apply. Of course we're shopping at Lidl. If by "ambition" you mean shopping in Waitrose when we can't afford it what you really mean is putting on a veneer of being big time without the assets to support it. It's a stupid look - especially when the bailiffs come calling. The club do have the ambition to get promoted but they are going to have to shop in Lidl to do it. The ingredients will be cheap but it's what you do with them that counts. Yes but the people who turned a silk purse into a sows ear are now expecting to turn the sows ear into a silk purse. If we get crap goods for money what kind of crap goods are we expecting with no money from a limited market? Why is every other player we are linked too Irish? Is that the of depth of our knowledge of players, if it is God help us
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 28, 2021 10:05:42 GMT
I'm beginning to wonder, see what the summer brings. Given our recruitment success in recent years its a bit worrying we are now shopping in lidl, if we have the same success with the lidl goods we had with the sainsbury gear, it doesn't look good. Hopefully we have changed our filters and strategy The parachute payments have run out, we're still bogged down with high earners who don't want to play for us or we need to get rid of because they are past their sell by date, every ambitious young footballer and their agent out there now see us as just another mid table Championship team who in the dim and distant past had some time in the Premiership and the constraints of FFP still apply. Of course we're shopping at Lidl.If by "ambition" you mean shopping in Waitrose when we can't afford it what you really mean is putting on a veneer of being big time without the assets to support it. It's a stupid look - especially when the bailiffs come calling. The club do have the ambition to get promoted but they are going to have to shop in Lidl to do it. The ingredients will be cheap but it's what you do with them that counts. Is this considered to be a step up or step down on what used to be available from Battersea Dogs Home?
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Post by yyy on Jun 28, 2021 10:07:23 GMT
The parachute payments have run out, we're still bogged down with high earners who don't want to play for us or we need to get rid of because they are past their sell by date, every ambitious young footballer and their agent out there now see us as just another mid table Championship team who in the dim and distant past had some time in the Premiership and the constraints of FFP still apply. Of course we're shopping at Lidl.If by "ambition" you mean shopping in Waitrose when we can't afford it what you really mean is putting on a veneer of being big time without the assets to support it. It's a stupid look - especially when the bailiffs come calling. The club do have the ambition to get promoted but they are going to have to shop in Lidl to do it. The ingredients will be cheap but it's what you do with them that counts. Is this considered to be a step up or step down on what used to be available from Battersea Dogs Home? My guess is down, The dogs home found pedigrees
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 28, 2021 10:46:28 GMT
The parachute payments have run out, we're still bogged down with high earners who don't want to play for us or we need to get rid of because they are past their sell by date, every ambitious young footballer and their agent out there now see us as just another mid table Championship team who in the dim and distant past had some time in the Premiership and the constraints of FFP still apply. Of course we're shopping at Lidl. If by "ambition" you mean shopping in Waitrose when we can't afford it what you really mean is putting on a veneer of being big time without the assets to support it. It's a stupid look - especially when the bailiffs come calling. The club do have the ambition to get promoted but they are going to have to shop in Lidl to do it. The ingredients will be cheap but it's what you do with them that counts. Yes but the people who turned a silk purse into a sows ear are now expecting to turn the sows ear into a silk purse. If we get crap goods for money what kind of crap goods are we expecting with no money from a limited market? Why is every other player we are linked too Irish? Is that the of depth of our knowledge of players, if it is God help us The owners may have financed some crap signings in the past but it't the managers who identified and bought them in. The owner's don't - and shouldn't - have that much say in the choice of players. It's the manager - or the director of football or equivalent - who make the actual decisions. If we changed owners the same problems would exist and if we changed owners to a nieve idiot who was happy to throw money at the problem the club would no longer exist in 2 or 3 years time. We're shopping in the Northern Irish, Scottish and Welsh branches of Lidl because they are cheaper than the English branches and because of Brexit our options for shopping in Europe are constrained and anyway the European goods are happy where they are or are only interested in the big time Charlies who can afford the lifestyle. Stoke City aren't a Premiership club anymore. We're just another mid table Championship with hopes of promotion and the only way out is to recognise where we're at, deal with the realities of the situation and scrap our way out with the quality of players we can afford and attract - which player for player will be worse than what we've been used to for the last 13 years.
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