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Post by Veritas on Jun 19, 2021 14:33:50 GMT
William Blake, the author of the poem, was critical of the effects and conditions of industrialisation on the working classes, hence the mills are “Satanic”. Thus, one reading might be, to “build Jerusalem” is to build a better England. An upbeat version of it, like the Fat Les one, would work perfectly in my opinion. What a load of bollocks, the words to that Jerusalem don’t make sense. All the private schools singing it to each other while they’re having a mess. It’s like the the working class voting for the Tories Whether you like it or not is down to personal taste but I can't see how you can say the words don't make sense.
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Post by kustokie on Jun 19, 2021 14:40:25 GMT
To be fairthere isn't an English anthem but should be Jerusalem as close as you’ll get probably This comes up from time to time. Unfortunately Jerusalem is one of the best options but it will never gain any political support because we can’t really sing that Jerusalem should have been built in England. That would float like a lead balloon in a lot of places. land of hope and glory would be better and the composer was English.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 15:04:32 GMT
What a load of bollocks, the words to that Jerusalem don’t make sense. All the private schools singing it to each other while they’re having a mess. It’s like the the working class voting for the Tories Whether you like it or not is down to personal taste but I can't see how you can say the words don't make sense. Is nothing to do with class. The words maybe need updating slightly perhaps but it isn't limited to a kid from Eton over a kid from Barnsley comp.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 19, 2021 15:05:07 GMT
Jerusalem as close as you’ll get probably This comes up from time to time. Unfortunately Jerusalem is one of the best options but it will never gain any political support because we can’t really sing that Jerusalem should have been built in England. That would float like a lead balloon in a lot of places. land of hope and glory would be better and the composer was English. The lyrics don't say Jerusalem should have been built in England and William Blake was English.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 15:07:28 GMT
The greatest football song ever. Keith Allen is Welsh. And an utter utter cock. His brother once interviewed me on TV. His bro was ok. They used my car at the time for a trailer in a film he directed so ended up being on 'Standing Room Only' a show he produced I think
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Post by bighatbilly on Jun 19, 2021 15:44:22 GMT
Jerusalem as close as you’ll get probably This comes up from time to time. Unfortunately Jerusalem is one of the best options but it will never gain any political support because we can’t really sing that Jerusalem should have been built in England. That would float like a lead balloon in a lot of places. land of hope and glory would be better and the composer was English. Bit confused by this - Jerusalem was a poem written by William Blake, born in Soho, London (he was a visionary and batshit crazy, but that's another story) and the later music was added by William Parry, born in Bournemouth. As to some of the earlier comments about Jerusalem being a toff's/nationalist song; if you have a good look at the words of Jerusalem - you'll find they're nothing like that. Blake was a strong believer in revolution - although it must be said he thought that he thought this would happen when Christ was resurrected in England. Mind you he also thought that he was inhabited by the spirit of the poet John Milton, which had managed to enter him through his ankle...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 15:48:30 GMT
This comes up from time to time. Unfortunately Jerusalem is one of the best options but it will never gain any political support because we can’t really sing that Jerusalem should have been built in England. That would float like a lead balloon in a lot of places. land of hope and glory would be better and the composer was English. Bit confused by this - Jerusalem was a poem written by William Blake, born in Soho, London (he was a visionary and batshit crazy, but that's another story) and the later music was added by William Parry, born in Bournemouth. As to some of the earlier comments about Jerusalem being a toff's/nationalist song; if you have a good look at the words of Jerusalem - you'll find they're nothing like that. Blake was a strong believer in revolution - although it must be said he thought that he thought this would happen when Christ was resurrected in England. Mind you he also thought that he was inhabited by the spirit of the poet John Milton, which had managed to enter him through his ankle... Blake was a great inspector as well and kept the buses running on time. Should be an extra verse dedicated to how he dedicated himself to Luxton public transport running so smoothly
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 19, 2021 15:55:07 GMT
Always sends a shiver down my spine. I’m sure the sentiment would upset some though. 100% agree The most rousing and patriotic with being too religious or royal. The version below without words is just as impressive if listened to through real speakers.
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 19, 2021 15:58:01 GMT
Jerusalem is about hope and change. About ridding the country of ugliness and unfairness and building something anew. That it's popular amongst those who represent the establishment is ironic. But then, the Right in the US are under the misapprehension that Springsteen's 'Born in the USA' is somehow pro status quo, pro establishment which it plainly isn't.
Perhaps a good tune blinds us all.
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Post by bighatbilly on Jun 19, 2021 16:22:29 GMT
Bit confused by this - Jerusalem was a poem written by William Blake, born in Soho, London (he was a visionary and batshit crazy, but that's another story) and the later music was added by William Parry, born in Bournemouth. As to some of the earlier comments about Jerusalem being a toff's/nationalist song; if you have a good look at the words of Jerusalem - you'll find they're nothing like that. Blake was a strong believer in revolution - although it must be said he thought that he thought this would happen when Christ was resurrected in England. Mind you he also thought that he was inhabited by the spirit of the poet John Milton, which had managed to enter him through his ankle... Blake was a great inspector as well and kept the buses running on time. Should be an extra verse dedicated to how he dedicated himself to Luxton public transport running so smoothly That's made my day, that has!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 19, 2021 16:24:54 GMT
Always sends a shiver down my spine. I’m sure the sentiment would upset some though. Yes - certainly my first choice. Stunning music and the words can be sung as a personal statement by each singer as to his or her love for their country. That is exactly what a National Anthem should be about in my opinion. For sporting events I'd use just the first verse and keep the second (rather more spiritual) verse for ceremonial occasions. I could live with Jerusalem though if that got the vote - and it is possibly slightly easier to sing - at least it is for me as I find some of the notes easier to reach.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 16:35:45 GMT
Always sends a shiver down my spine. I’m sure the sentiment would upset some though. Yes - certainly my first choice. Stunning music and the words can be sung as a personal statement by each singer as to his or her love for their country. That is exactly what a National Anthem should be about in my opinion. For sporting events I'd use just the first verse and keep the second (rather more spiritual) verse for ceremonial occasions. I could live with Jerusalem though if that got the vote - and it is possibly slightly easier to sing - at least it is for me as I find some of the notes easier to reach. Cecil Spring Rice. Who names their kid after number 27 on a Thai menu?
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Post by boothenesque on Jun 19, 2021 16:40:07 GMT
No offence to Liz, she seems quite decent considering, but it's about time we got one that doesn't include a King/Queen. I'd go for the Rainbow theme, or Trumpton maybe, much more jolly than that turgid shit we sing currently, paying homage to an archaic and unjust system. I cringe at our national anthem, it's embarrassing.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 19, 2021 16:45:31 GMT
No offence to Liz, she seems quite decent considering, but it's about time we got one that doesn't include a King/Queen. I'd go for the Rainbow theme, or Trumpton maybe, much more jolly than that turgid shit we sing currently, paying homage to an archaic and unjust system. I cringe at our national anthem, it's embarrassing. The current National Anthem relates to the whole of Britain/UK and should be the subject of a referendum open to all on the British electoral roll. An English anthem for sporting events should be subject to a referendum open to all on the English electoral role.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 17:07:24 GMT
No offence to Liz, she seems quite decent considering, but it's about time we got one that doesn't include a King/Queen. I'd go for the Rainbow theme, or Trumpton maybe, much more jolly than that turgid shit we sing currently, paying homage to an archaic and unjust system. I cringe at our national anthem, it's embarrassing. Chippy Minton & Nibs need national recognition for their services to carpentry I agree
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Post by Scouse on Jun 19, 2021 17:34:26 GMT
Jerusalem certainly a candidate .. but it’s not without history
Its association with the Labour Party ..sung at the end of the Labour Party conference together with the red flag ..probably means it’d suffer from attempts at official recognition..additionally lines from the poem / song have been used previously by the Labour Party in general election campaigns
Then there’s the view of the church , particularly CofE , who dispute it’s a hymn as it’s not about the glory of god .. Southwark cathedral famously banning it
None of the above doesn’t necessarily make it wrong and as a rousing song sung at sporting occasions certainly fine .. but then it’s already seen as an unofficial rugby anthem of both England and the Lions
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 17:46:25 GMT
You should all be sent to the Towers.
Does it fuck need changing, you bunch of ungrateful, unpatriotic shitehawks.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 19, 2021 18:01:58 GMT
You should all be sent to the Towers. Does it fuck need changing, you bunch of ungrateful, unpatriotic shitehawks. I happen to think the National Anthem is a proper dirge. But that is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about the need for an ENGLISH National Anthem at Sporting events involving English teams or individuals representing England. What we play at the moment isn't the English National Anthem it is the British National Anthem, as is quite obvious at the Commonwealth games where each of the home countries is required to have a separate anthem. If they were as daft as us, the Welsh, the Scots and the Northern Irish could play it before their games - which would mean it would get played twice before games involving two home countries - which illustrates just how daft it is for England to choose to use the British Anthem. The fact that the British Anthem is such an uninspiring tune means it should not be difficult to come up with something far better.
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 19, 2021 18:09:57 GMT
I seriously dislike our current national anthem and am unable to connect to it's words in any way. The tune is a dirge too. Jerusalem would get my vote over it any day of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 18:13:06 GMT
You should all be sent to the Towers. Does it fuck need changing, you bunch of ungrateful, unpatriotic shitehawks. I happen to think the National Anthem is a proper dirge. But that is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about the need for an ENGLISH National Anthem at Sporting events involving English teams or individuals representing England. What we play at the moment isn't the English National Anthem it is the British National Anthem, as is quite obvious at the Commonwealth games where each of the home countries is required to have a separate anthem. If they were as daft as us, the Welsh, the Scots and the Northern Irish could play it before their games - which would mean it would get played twice before games involving two home countries - which illustrates just how daft it is for England to choose to use the British Anthem. The fact that the British Anthem is such an uninspiring tune means it should not be difficult to come up with something far better. While we're at it I think The N Ireland anthem needs a name change. Something wrong with the idea of The Derry Air ......
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 19, 2021 18:18:39 GMT
I’d like to see Harry Kane belt this one out with his short tongue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 18:20:59 GMT
You should all be sent to the Towers. Does it fuck need changing, you bunch of ungrateful, unpatriotic shitehawks. I happen to think the National Anthem is a proper dirge. But that is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about the need for an ENGLISH National Anthem at Sporting events involving English teams or individuals representing England. What we play at the moment isn't the English National Anthem it is the British National Anthem, as is quite obvious at the Commonwealth games where each of the home countries is required to have a separate anthem. If they were as daft as us, the Welsh, the Scots and the Northern Irish could play it before their games - which would mean it would get played twice before games involving two home countries - which illustrates just how daft it is for England to choose to use the British Anthem. The fact that the British Anthem is such an uninspiring tune means it should not be difficult to come up with something far better. N.Ireland use "God Save the Queen".
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 19, 2021 18:32:03 GMT
I happen to think the National Anthem is a proper dirge. But that is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about the need for an ENGLISH National Anthem at Sporting events involving English teams or individuals representing England. What we play at the moment isn't the English National Anthem it is the British National Anthem, as is quite obvious at the Commonwealth games where each of the home countries is required to have a separate anthem. If they were as daft as us, the Welsh, the Scots and the Northern Irish could play it before their games - which would mean it would get played twice before games involving two home countries - which illustrates just how daft it is for England to choose to use the British Anthem. The fact that the British Anthem is such an uninspiring tune means it should not be difficult to come up with something far better. N.Ireland use "God Save the Queen". Shows how long it is since I watched an NI game. I presume that is because the Unionists want to use the same anthem as England. I bet if/when Sinn Fein become the largest party in NI, that God Save the Queen has a remarkably short shelf life.
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Post by franklin on Jun 19, 2021 18:33:31 GMT
When the Queen passes it will change
God save the King 🤴
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Post by liathroid on Jun 19, 2021 18:34:20 GMT
I happen to think the National Anthem is a proper dirge. But that is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about the need for an ENGLISH National Anthem at Sporting events involving English teams or individuals representing England. What we play at the moment isn't the English National Anthem it is the British National Anthem, as is quite obvious at the Commonwealth games where each of the home countries is required to have a separate anthem. If they were as daft as us, the Welsh, the Scots and the Northern Irish could play it before their games - which would mean it would get played twice before games involving two home countries - which illustrates just how daft it is for England to choose to use the British Anthem. The fact that the British Anthem is such an uninspiring tune means it should not be difficult to come up with something far better. N.Ireland use "God Save the Queen". only half of them
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 18:35:18 GMT
N.Ireland use "God Save the Queen". Shows how long it is since I watched an NI game. I presume that is because the Unionists want to use the same anthem as England. I bet if/when Sinn Fein become the largest party in NI, that God Save the Queen has a remarkably short shelf life. Yeah, they're not as ungrateful as the other minority nations of Britain
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Post by thevoid on Jun 19, 2021 18:53:57 GMT
I happen to think the National Anthem is a proper dirge. But that is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about the need for an ENGLISH National Anthem at Sporting events involving English teams or individuals representing England. What we play at the moment isn't the English National Anthem it is the British National Anthem, as is quite obvious at the Commonwealth games where each of the home countries is required to have a separate anthem. If they were as daft as us, the Welsh, the Scots and the Northern Irish could play it before their games - which would mean it would get played twice before games involving two home countries - which illustrates just how daft it is for England to choose to use the British Anthem. The fact that the British Anthem is such an uninspiring tune means it should not be difficult to come up with something far better. N.Ireland use "God Save the Queen". Liechtenstein use the same tune
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 19:34:13 GMT
When the Queen passes it will change God save the King 🤴 Or "William, It Was Really Nothing"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 19:35:42 GMT
I happen to think the National Anthem is a proper dirge. But that is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about the need for an ENGLISH National Anthem at Sporting events involving English teams or individuals representing England. What we play at the moment isn't the English National Anthem it is the British National Anthem, as is quite obvious at the Commonwealth games where each of the home countries is required to have a separate anthem. If they were as daft as us, the Welsh, the Scots and the Northern Irish could play it before their games - which would mean it would get played twice before games involving two home countries - which illustrates just how daft it is for England to choose to use the British Anthem. The fact that the British Anthem is such an uninspiring tune means it should not be difficult to come up with something far better. N.Ireland use "God Save the Queen". Yep Fornie N iReland play God Save the Queen football wise, Derry Air was used in Commonwealth games previously. Amhran N a bh fiann The free state national anthem or The Soldier's Song.
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Post by erogenous on Jun 19, 2021 19:48:39 GMT
When the Queen passes it will change God save the King 🤴 Or "William, of Orange It Was Really Nothing"
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