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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 13, 2021 21:38:44 GMT
The Graun also analysed almost 600,000 tweets aimed at England players during the group stages and found 2000 (0.3%) were abusive. Of those, 44 (less than 0.008%) contained racist content. If we hash those data together with what you've posted here (imprecise I know but still), we could say there were something like 14 or 15 racist tweets sent to England players by people in England over that week or so. Again, obviously 14 or 15 too many, it's a problem that has to be dealt with and it does nothing to minimise the experience of having to endure that vile crap as a player, but maybe social media is giving us a problem of scale here. It wouldn't be the first time. Incidentally the people who received the most abuse by far (of any nature) were Southgate and Kane. Thats less racist abuse than the racist cartoons the guardian publishes, I am sure unfortunately the abuse went up after losing and anyone found to have sent such abuse deserves everything coming to them. I see you like to focus hard on that decimal point when it suits fella. Let’s hope the press don’t delete a couple of noughts and peddle a false narrative eh? :-)
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Post by skip on Jul 13, 2021 22:15:15 GMT
You value your voice way on here way too highly mate. I literally called my post "throwaway" and you're extracting the conclusion I'm valuing my voice too highly.. I honestly don't know how you do sometimes I could casually dismiss anything I've posted as throwaway. Cop Out Rule 101.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 13, 2021 22:16:39 GMT
Thats less racist abuse than the racist cartoons the guardian publishes, I am sure unfortunately the abuse went up after losing and anyone found to have sent such abuse deserves everything coming to them. I see you like to focus hard on that decimal point when it suits fella. Let’s hope the press don’t delete a couple of noughts and peddle a false narrative eh? :-) The difference is fella I in no way condone or support the racists sending the abuse, in fact I have said they deserve the full force of the law to come down on them, you on the other are still trying to claim its a false narrative after everything that has happened......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 13, 2021 22:38:19 GMT
I see you like to focus hard on that decimal point when it suits fella. Let’s hope the press don’t delete a couple of noughts and peddle a false narrative eh? :-) The difference is fella I in no way condone or support the racists sending the abuse, in fact I have said they deserve the full force of the law to come down on them, you on the other are still trying to claim its a false narrative after everything that has happened...... The two things aren't mutually exclusive of course, doing both is perfectly acceptable. And let's hope in this case the figures are as low as being quoted........
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 13, 2021 22:43:30 GMT
I literally called my post "throwaway" and you're extracting the conclusion I'm valuing my voice too highly.. I honestly don't know how you do sometimes I could casually dismiss anything I've posted as throwaway. Cop Out Rule 101. Give it some thought 😉
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Post by skip on Jul 13, 2021 23:42:24 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2021 8:27:53 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 14, 2021 16:50:57 GMT
Interesting stats and article although even 30% abuse from the Uk is 30% too much. The Graun also analysed almost 600,000 tweets aimed at England players during the group stages and found 2000 (0.3%) were abusive. Of those, 44 (less than 0.008%) contained racist content. If we hash those data together with what you've posted here (imprecise I know but still), we could say there were something like 14 or 15 racist tweets sent to England players by people in England over that week or so. Again, obviously 14 or 15 too many, it's a problem that has to be dealt with and it does nothing to minimise the experience of having to endure that vile crap as a player, but maybe social media is giving us a problem of scale here. It wouldn't be the first time. Incidentally the people who received the most abuse by far (of any nature) were Southgate and Kane.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2021 18:33:15 GMT
The Graun also analysed almost 600,000 tweets aimed at England players during the group stages and found 2000 (0.3%) were abusive. Of those, 44 (less than 0.008%) contained racist content. If we hash those data together with what you've posted here (imprecise I know but still), we could say there were something like 14 or 15 racist tweets sent to England players by people in England over that week or so. Again, obviously 14 or 15 too many, it's a problem that has to be dealt with and it does nothing to minimise the experience of having to endure that vile crap as a player, but maybe social media is giving us a problem of scale here. It wouldn't be the first time. Incidentally the people who received the most abuse by far (of any nature) were Southgate and Kane. They need to make this very public. Though it’s 5 too many if true it does identify how small in number these idiot racists are. If we target this very small number and hit them hard real progress will be made. It’ll be interesting to know what overseas countries the majority of the racists are from.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 14, 2021 19:13:39 GMT
They need to make this very public. Though it’s 5 too many if true it does identify how small in number these idiot racists are. If we target this very small number and hit them hard real progress will be made. It’ll be interesting to know what overseas countries the majority of the racists are from. It's a really difficult thing to know how to deal with sensitively, because obviously if players are saying they're getting racist abuse online, it feels dismissive and a bit gaslight-y to just say "oh yeah but it's only a little bit". And obviously these figures aren't the full story. However I do think there's a danger that an inaccurate perception of the country as irredeemably awful and racist becomes the received knowledge because of this sort of thing. The other thing is we have no idea who these people are and what their motives are, even the ones in the UK (who themselves could be Scottish or Welsh, incidentally). They could be trolls looking for attention they don't get in real life, it could be a drunk teenager trying to impress his mates, it could be someone with learning difficulties - it could even be an "anti-racist" who would benefit from an exaggerating the problem of online racism. It's a matter of tapping out a couple of words or hitting one emoji and then send, for absolutely anyone, anywhere in the world, with zero real-world consequences, but the reward of it being publicised and talked about far and wide. It just isn't something we're ever going to be able to "stamp out". That's why I think the only options we have to tackle this sort of thing are to give users lots of power and controls over their own social media accounts (I think the fact that you can send anyone an unsolicited DM on Instagram is a real problem, for instance), and, maybe more importantly, just reduce the attention it gets. I know that's easy for me to say and I wouldn't ever try to "silence" or dictate the reaction of anyone who is a victim of it, but, as well as keeping things in perspective, I think every message like that should be broadly treated like any other sort of stupid spam. A roll of the eyes, a block, and the user is left to the vacuum of online obscurity. The less attention that behaviour gets and the weaker the effect it has, the lower the incentive for idiots/trolls/children/bad actors to engage in it.
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Post by Kilo on Jul 14, 2021 19:19:22 GMT
Getting fed up of the news droning on about how the 'people' of Manchester have ralleyed around and covered up the graffitti but not once have I heard them mention the people of Manchester who put the graffitti up in the first place! Strangely though, they've also not mentioned that the graffitti wasn't racist - first I heard was when a mate in Scotland sent me this:
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Post by zerps on Jul 14, 2021 19:30:42 GMT
Getting fed up of the news droning on about how the 'people' of Manchester have ralleyed around and covered up the graffitti but not once have I heard them mention the people of Manchester who put the graffitti up in the first place! Strangely though, they've also not mentioned that the graffitti wasn't racist - first I heard was when a mate in Scotland sent me this:
He’s absolutely 100% correct. Anyone that disagrees should be sent out into the north sea on a lilo for treason.
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Post by devondumpling on Jul 14, 2021 19:39:56 GMT
Of course the Runnymede Trust, king of the grievance-industrial-complex, would describe Britain as racist Their preservation depends on keeping the ‘disparities = discrimination paradigm’ alive Incidents of England players being targeted with online racist abuse are tiny in number, and often originate from abroad. One incident is still too many, but please let's stop pretending that English football & society are a cesspit of racism. They aren't .
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 14, 2021 19:45:39 GMT
I hadn't seen what the graffiti said until now but I knew 100% from the very beginning it wasn't racist, precisely because of the way it was bundled into the narrative without mentioning whether it was racist in nature or not. You'd have thought it might be an important thing to drop in, given the climate.
Either way I think the response was heart-warming - christ, compare it to the widespread treatment of Beckham in '98.
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Post by zerps on Jul 14, 2021 19:50:19 GMT
I hadn't seen what the graffiti said until now but I knew 100% from the very beginning it wasn't racist, precisely because of the way it was bundled into the narrative without mentioning whether it was racist in nature or not. You'd have thought it might be an important thing to drop in, given the climate. Either way I think the response was heart-warming - christ, compare it to the widespread treatment of Beckham in '98. People in this country feed on being disgusted in others for some reason. Maybe because they think they’re better than everyone else. If the story is true or not makes no difference. They’re hungry for it. Like Louis Spence.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2021 20:10:09 GMT
I hadn't seen what the graffiti said until now but I knew 100% from the very beginning it wasn't racist, precisely because of the way it was bundled into the narrative without mentioning whether it was racist in nature or not. You'd have thought it might be an important thing to drop in, given the climate. Either way I think the response was heart-warming - christ, compare it to the widespread treatment of Beckham in '98. I agree those 3 lads should be supported and it’s great to see that they have been. I just wish that when incidents are reported they’re reported factually and not with a slanted view. Tell people the truth and let them make their own mind up about something rather than directing them to how disgusted they should be feeling. 99.9 percent of people are disgusted by racism and don’t need nurturing into having those thoughts. People don’t like being told how they should feel and they like to be given the true picture usually when this happens most of their thoughts are the same anyway.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 15, 2021 7:56:11 GMT
Of course the Runnymede Trust, king of the grievance-industrial-complex, would describe Britain as racist Their preservation depends on keeping the ‘disparities = discrimination paradigm’ alive Incidents of England players being targeted with online racist abuse are tiny in number, and often originate from abroad. One incident is still too many, but please let's stop pretending that English football & society are a cesspit of racism. They aren't . Doesn't fit the narrative though, especially from our Remainer friends who like to portray this country as a 3rd world racist backwater.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 15, 2021 8:35:14 GMT
Ah, the truth is outing now. Hopefully people start realising how toxic the media has become. They revel in the division they are providing the oxygen for.
The likes of the Independent and Guardian in particular should be held to account for this. Similarly the likes of the express and mail should also be held to account for the shyte they spout. But in-between all this are far worse offenders with the likes of Rolling Stone magazine and Esquire and dozens of other "fully paid up justice warrior virtue signallers" who really do seem to get away with talking utter bollox with zero consequences. They are literally brainwashing youth into believing the utter drivel that dribbles out of their pathetic little mouths. There is a whole race baiting industry behind all this and many jobs rely on it. Its a cancer that is in many ways as bad as the racism that does actually exist.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 15, 2021 9:02:15 GMT
Ah, the truth is outing now. Hopefully people start realising how toxic the media has become. They revel in the division they are providing the oxygen for. The likes of the Independent and Guardian in particular should be held to account for this. Similarly the likes of the express and mail should also be held to account for the shyte they spout. But in-between all this are far worse offenders with the likes of Rolling Stone magazine and Esquire and dozens of other "fully paid up justice warrior virtue signallers" who really do seem to get away with talking utter bollox with zero consequences. They are literally brainwashing youth into believing the utter drivel that dribbles out of their pathetic little mouths. There is a whole race baiting industry behind all this and many jobs rely on it. Its a cancer that is in many ways as bad as the racism that does actually exist. You don’t think The Sun, which has stoked some of the very worst of this shit for years with its treatment of players like Sterling, is part of the problem then?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 15, 2021 9:11:17 GMT
Ah, the truth is outing now. Hopefully people start realising how toxic the media has become. They revel in the division they are providing the oxygen for. The likes of the Independent and Guardian in particular should be held to account for this. Similarly the likes of the express and mail should also be held to account for the shyte they spout. But in-between all this are far worse offenders with the likes of Rolling Stone magazine and Esquire and dozens of other "fully paid up justice warrior virtue signallers" who really do seem to get away with talking utter bollox with zero consequences. They are literally brainwashing youth into believing the utter drivel that dribbles out of their pathetic little mouths. There is a whole race baiting industry behind all this and many jobs rely on it. Its a cancer that is in many ways as bad as the racism that does actually exist. You don’t think The Sun, which has stoked some of the very worst of this shit for years with its treatment of players like Sterling, is part of the problem then? I do indeed think they are a problem. Why would you think I don't from my above post? I didn't mention Boris Johnson is a dickhead above but I do indeed think he is.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 15, 2021 9:24:34 GMT
Ah, the truth is outing now. Hopefully people start realising how toxic the media has become. They revel in the division they are providing the oxygen for. The likes of the Independent and Guardian in particular should be held to account for this. Similarly the likes of the express and mail should also be held to account for the shyte they spout. But in-between all this are far worse offenders with the likes of Rolling Stone magazine and Esquire and dozens of other "fully paid up justice warrior virtue signallers" who really do seem to get away with talking utter bollox with zero consequences. They are literally brainwashing youth into believing the utter drivel that dribbles out of their pathetic little mouths. There is a whole race baiting industry behind all this and many jobs rely on it. Its a cancer that is in many ways as bad as the racism that does actually exist. Become? With respect have you been in a coma for 30 years?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 15, 2021 9:33:27 GMT
Ah, the truth is outing now. Hopefully people start realising how toxic the media has become. They revel in the division they are providing the oxygen for. The likes of the Independent and Guardian in particular should be held to account for this. Similarly the likes of the express and mail should also be held to account for the shyte they spout. But in-between all this are far worse offenders with the likes of Rolling Stone magazine and Esquire and dozens of other "fully paid up justice warrior virtue signallers" who really do seem to get away with talking utter bollox with zero consequences. They are literally brainwashing youth into believing the utter drivel that dribbles out of their pathetic little mouths. There is a whole race baiting industry behind all this and many jobs rely on it. Its a cancer that is in many ways as bad as the racism that does actually exist. Become? With respect have you been in a coma for 30 years? "Has become" I think that highlights the very issue at hand: if it doesn't affect you directly, it's not really a genuine problem/overblown and all those people highlighting it are just making a fuss for their own ends. Daily Mail 1930s...for an indication of how our right-wing press has always been this way inclined. Similarly, it wasn't that long ago that the Tories campaigned under the slogan "If you want a n*gger for a neighbour, vote Labour" Our current government is effectively doing the same thing, in much less overt tones, appealing to precisely the same people, and they know what they're doing when they say taking a knee is gesture politics, then pretend to be disgusted when some idiots feel emboldened by it, just like they knew full well what the outcome of focussing on migrants would be during the Brexit referendum.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 15, 2021 9:35:20 GMT
Ah, the truth is outing now. Hopefully people start realising how toxic the media has become. They revel in the division they are providing the oxygen for. The likes of the Independent and Guardian in particular should be held to account for this. Similarly the likes of the express and mail should also be held to account for the shyte they spout. But in-between all this are far worse offenders with the likes of Rolling Stone magazine and Esquire and dozens of other "fully paid up justice warrior virtue signallers" who really do seem to get away with talking utter bollox with zero consequences. They are literally brainwashing youth into believing the utter drivel that dribbles out of their pathetic little mouths. There is a whole race baiting industry behind all this and many jobs rely on it. Its a cancer that is in many ways as bad as the racism that does actually exist. Become? With respect have you been in a coma for 30 years? You know full well the temperature has been ramped up massively this last couple of years and the behaviour of the MSM has become increasingly polarised and nefarious.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 15, 2021 9:36:15 GMT
Become? With respect have you been in a coma for 30 years? You know full well the temperature has been ramped up massively this last couple of years and the behaviour of the MSM has become increasingly polarised and nefarious. I know nothing of the sort, it's been like that for years.......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 15, 2021 9:38:09 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 15, 2021 9:38:31 GMT
You don’t think The Sun, which has stoked some of the very worst of this shit for years with its treatment of players like Sterling, is part of the problem then? I do indeed think they are a problem. Why would you think I don't from my above post? I didn't mention Boris Johnson is a dickhead above but I do indeed think he is. Because they were conspicuous by their absence in your post when they’ve been a million times more harmful over the years than anything the beyond-bland Independent has ever done in its wildest dreams.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 15, 2021 9:38:59 GMT
You know full well the temperature has been ramped up massively this last couple of years and the behaviour of the MSM has become increasingly polarised and nefarious. I know nothing of the sort, it's been like that for years....... Nonsense. With the access via digital networks and devices that the media has to a population it has never been worse than it is now.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 15, 2021 9:44:07 GMT
I do indeed think they are a problem. Why would you think I don't from my above post? I didn't mention Boris Johnson is a dickhead above but I do indeed think he is. Because they were conspicuous by their absence in your post when they’ve been a million times more harmful over the years than anything the beyond-bland Independent has ever done in its wildest dreams. So because I don't mention a particular paper, I potentially support or don't have a problem with the way that paper portrayed Raheem Sterling? OK... I am sure there is an expression for what you're trying here.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 15, 2021 9:44:52 GMT
Become? With respect have you been in a coma for 30 years? You know full well the temperature has been ramped up massively this last couple of years and the behaviour of the MSM has become increasingly polarised and nefarious. The temperature has not been ramped up by the media over the last couple of years, it was ramped up by a police officer killing a handcuffed black guy in the States in full view of onlookers. There may well be a focus on race issues in the media now, but you can understand why. I doubt whether any one white person has any idea what it is like to live as a non-white in this country or several others. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm quite confident that the UK is one of the least racist countries in the world in comparison to many others, but that doesn't mean there aren't enormous strides that need to be taken still. To bring these into the light is not to shit-stir or cause unrest for their own means, it's pointing out the discrimination and prejudice that many of these people experience daily.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 15, 2021 9:47:48 GMT
Because they were conspicuous by their absence in your post when they’ve been a million times more harmful over the years than anything the beyond-bland Independent has ever done in its wildest dreams. So because I don't mention a particular paper, I potentially support or don't have a problem with the way that paper portrayed Raheem Sterling? OK... I am sure there is an expression for what you're trying here. It’s just a very curious omission in any discussion about the ills of the mainstream media in this country? Highlighting the Independent as demon in chief and not even mentioning The Sun seems ‘skewed’ to put it kindly.
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