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Post by xchpotter on Jun 7, 2021 23:00:11 GMT
This just popped up on recommendations on YouTube. 😔😔
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Post by march4 on Jun 7, 2021 23:05:54 GMT
Where did it go wrong?
The minute TP left.
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Post by skip on Jun 7, 2021 23:07:23 GMT
Bloody hell. And on those bombshells, I'm off to bed.
(Thanks for the OP).
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Post by skip on Jun 7, 2021 23:07:52 GMT
Where did it go wrong? The minute TP left. Those goals were scored under Hughes you big daft obsessed dufus.
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Post by erogenous on Jun 7, 2021 23:17:33 GMT
Trying to replace Nzonzi badly
Self sufficiency
Insufficient amount of fuss
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Post by professorplump on Jun 7, 2021 23:23:41 GMT
I think it started to go wrong after we had finished 9th and Peter Coates said that he wanted the club to be self sufficient. Further significant investment at that point and we might have been able to push towards the top 6. Instead we had a couple of transfer windows where we did very little and things stagnated. Then when the wheels started to fall off we started spending wildly with a string of poor signings and ironically Coates got the very opposite to what he wanted.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 7, 2021 23:35:04 GMT
FFS
Correct thread title: Some great goals from a good season in our recent history
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 23:52:26 GMT
ireland was a great player when fit
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 8, 2021 0:08:19 GMT
I'm sick to death of everything celebrating good days immediately becoming another where did it go wrong conversation. It's three years since we got relegated.
Instead of being sad it's over can we try to be glad it happened?
As for March's Pulis comment, that's just trolly wind up bullshit. And she knows it.
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 8, 2021 0:35:13 GMT
ireland was a great player when fit Best attacking midfielder we've had at the club in recent years. Just wish we could've fitted Shaq, Arnie, Bojan and Ireland in the same line up. What a shame.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 1:14:54 GMT
ireland was a great player when fit Best attacking midfielder we've had at the club in recent years. Just wish we could've fitted Shaq, Arnie, Bojan and Ireland in the same line up. What a shame. came alive in the last 3rd. Had a tough time with injury and the deaths of all his Grandmothers. That game v Chelsea he was superb. Absolute quality player I also like the fact he requested to wear IRELAND 32 on his shirt the last season to represent the 32 counties in Ireland. Good man
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 8, 2021 2:17:48 GMT
Best attacking midfielder we've had at the club in recent years. Just wish we could've fitted Shaq, Arnie, Bojan and Ireland in the same line up. What a shame. came alive in the last 3rd. Had a tough time with injury and the deaths of all his Grandmothers. That game v Chelsea he was superb. Absolute quality player I also like the fact he requested to wear IRELAND 32 on his shirt the last season to represent the 32 counties in Ireland. Good man I'm actually surprised Charlie's long range goal wasn't included in that selection and again Ireland was heavily involved in making that happen, knicking the ball on the edge of the box and threading it to Adam. Edit. Wrong season.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 8, 2021 2:59:01 GMT
Best attacking midfielder we've had at the club in recent years. Just wish we could've fitted Shaq, Arnie, Bojan and Ireland in the same line up. What a shame. came alive in the last 3rd. Had a tough time with injury and the deaths of all his Grandmothers. That game v Chelsea he was superb. Absolute quality player I also like the fact he requested to wear IRELAND 32 on his shirt the last season to represent the 32 counties in Ireland. Good man Thought the 32 was for all the grandmothers
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 8, 2021 6:50:21 GMT
At his best a super player. Not sure though how we could have played both him and Bojan in the same line-up?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 8, 2021 6:58:34 GMT
With the employment of a former Leek Town Goalkeeper in December 2012.
Not him individually, the implementation of a “supposed” sustainable recruitment strategy.
We certainly got sustainability!!
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jun 8, 2021 8:28:42 GMT
Where did it all go wrong simple & i have said it before Coates got the sacking of Hughes wrong should have gone the end of previous season. Complete lack of vision & ambition from the owners & its still happening now.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 8, 2021 8:37:35 GMT
With the employment of a former Leek Town Goalkeeper in December 2012. Not him individually, the implementation of a “supposed” sustainable recruitment strategy. We certainly got sustainability!! What do you believe we should have done, out of interest?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 8:38:31 GMT
came alive in the last 3rd. Had a tough time with injury and the deaths of all his Grandmothers. That game v Chelsea he was superb. Absolute quality player I also like the fact he requested to wear IRELAND 32 on his shirt the last season to represent the 32 counties in Ireland. Good man Thought the 32 was for all the grandmothers like it
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Post by biglad180 on Jun 8, 2021 9:05:43 GMT
It started going down bank the moment we sold arnautovic
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 8, 2021 9:08:25 GMT
With the employment of a former Leek Town Goalkeeper in December 2012. Not him individually, the implementation of a “supposed” sustainable recruitment strategy. We certainly got sustainability!! What do you believe we should have done, out of interest? They should have realised that they as individuals were not up to the task as a collective senior management team to compete with their premier league rivals. This should have prompted them to go big and get a statement football director in with modern ideas capable of keeping up with the rest of the premier league. Instead they stuck to the "employ our mates" strategy. Living off the oxygen that Pulis had provided them. Then when it was obvious they didn't have a clue they chucked tens of millions at Rowett and crossed their fingers. That of course went very well. And to this day they are pretty much carrying on in the same vein except now they have got themselves into FFP bother and can't even spend any money. No matter which way you chop it up the senior management are to blame for our woes. Absolutely no fookin doubt about it but go on lets hear how you can apologise for them.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 8, 2021 9:12:29 GMT
What do you believe we should have done, out of interest? They should have realised that they as individuals were not up to the task as a collective senior management team to compete with their premier league rivals. This should have prompted them to go big and get a statement football director in with modern ideas capable of keeping up with the rest of the premier league. Instead they stuck to the "employ our mates" strategy. Living off the oxygen that Pulis had provided them. Then when it was obvious they didn't have a clue they chucked tens of millions at Rowett and crossed their fingers. That of course went very well. And to this day they are pretty much carrying on in the same vein except now they have got themselves into FFP bother and can't even spend any money. No matter which way you chop it up the senior management are to blame for our woes. Absolutely no fookin doubt about it but go on lets hear how you can apologise for them. I agree with most of that. 'Oxygen' comment is debateable but the rest I don't think there's much to quibble with there.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 8, 2021 9:21:06 GMT
They should have realised that they as individuals were not up to the task as a collective senior management team to compete with their premier league rivals. This should have prompted them to go big and get a statement football director in with modern ideas capable of keeping up with the rest of the premier league. Instead they stuck to the "employ our mates" strategy. Living off the oxygen that Pulis had provided them. Then when it was obvious they didn't have a clue they chucked tens of millions at Rowett and crossed their fingers. That of course went very well. And to this day they are pretty much carrying on in the same vein except now they have got themselves into FFP bother and can't even spend any money. No matter which way you chop it up the senior management are to blame for our woes. Absolutely no fookin doubt about it but go on lets hear how you can apologise for them. I agree with most of that. 'Oxygen' comment is debateable but the rest I don't think there's much to quibble with there. Fair enough. I just wish they had spent some of the 80 plus million since relegation sorting the infrastructure/senior management of the club out. I wouldn't even mind Scholes still being here in that case. I know its a specific case but I look at Brentford and think why haven't we come up with some decent ideas about how to progress. They just seem adamant on playing it the old skool way. It isn't working.
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Post by samba :) on Jun 8, 2021 9:30:03 GMT
It started going down bank the moment we sold arnautovic we were half way down the bank by then.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 8, 2021 9:50:05 GMT
Where did it go wrong? The minute TP left. I half agree, but what can't be denied at all is TP teed the whole thing up and against staggering odds kept it going for a few seasons. Hughes gave us 2 or 3 seasons of great times. But behind the scenes nothing was changing. We failed to evolve and are now paying a very big price. A price that I think sadly we will be paying for many years to come. It could have been so very different.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 8, 2021 9:55:49 GMT
Where did it go wrong? The minute TP left. I half agree, but what can't be denied at all is TP teed the whole thing up and against staggering odds kept it going for a few seasons. Hughes gave us 2 or 3 seasons of great times. But behind the scenes nothing was changing. We failed to evolve and are now paying a very big price. A price that I think sadly we will be paying for many years to come. It could have been so very different. How can you even half agree, we actively improved as a team after he'd gone? You can't blame your explosive diarrhea on a curry you had three years ago.
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Post by jonnybravo on Jun 8, 2021 11:03:30 GMT
Where did it go wrong? The minute TP left. Things got better when he left,and we would of been relegated before 2018 if he stayed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 11:07:18 GMT
The sun is out. how about a where did it all go right thread and perhaps some pics of ladies enjoying the sun as well .We were were a bit rubbish before the Prem years
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 8, 2021 11:16:21 GMT
I half agree, but what can't be denied at all is TP teed the whole thing up and against staggering odds kept it going for a few seasons. Hughes gave us 2 or 3 seasons of great times. But behind the scenes nothing was changing. We failed to evolve and are now paying a very big price. A price that I think sadly we will be paying for many years to come. It could have been so very different. How can you even half agree, we actively improved as a team after he'd gone? You can't blame your explosive diarrhea on a curry you had three years ago. I half agree because in my opinion TP has been the only person at Stoke in the last 10 years who actually had a clue how to run a football club in terms of overseeing targets and transfers and whether they are loans or acquisitions. And you may have noticed that since TP left the rate of failed/expensive signings has increased dramatically. But the Coates for some bizarre reason thought getting the Leek Town goalie in to get in TP's way was a really good idea. It wasn't. So yes I kind of agree with what March4 was saying. That said TP's time was done, his inability to adapt the playing style was catching up with him. But hence why I say the biggest error was the senior management not evolving with the times when they had ample opportunity and cash to do so.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 8, 2021 11:25:40 GMT
How can you even half agree, we actively improved as a team after he'd gone? You can't blame your explosive diarrhea on a curry you had three years ago. I half agree because in my opinion TP has been the only person at Stoke in the last 10 years who actually had a clue how to run a football club in terms of overseeing targets and transfers and whether they are loans or acquisitions. And you may have noticed that since TP left the rate of failed/expensive signings has increased dramatically. But the Coates for some bizarre reason thought getting the Leek Town goalie in to get in TP's way was a really good idea. It wasn't. So yes I kind of agree with what March4 was saying. That said TP's time was done, his inability to adapt the playing style was catching up with him. But hence why I say the biggest error was the senior management not evolving with the times when they had ample opportunity and cash to do so. He hadn't been making good signings for some time before then though. As you say his time was up. And the team improved despite really not spending very much and having one of the lowest wage bills in the league for the next few seasons. And the signings made after he left, good and bad, were largely manager-driven. We could have made changes earlier than we did and still been absolutely fine, irrespective of anything to do with TP. Yes, the appointment of Cartwright was a dodgy chumocracy job. Something had to change though. Arguably not enough changed as the problems really started when Hughes as manager was let off the leash and given licence to start throwing good money after bad.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 8, 2021 11:32:19 GMT
I half agree because in my opinion TP has been the only person at Stoke in the last 10 years who actually had a clue how to run a football club in terms of overseeing targets and transfers and whether they are loans or acquisitions. And you may have noticed that since TP left the rate of failed/expensive signings has increased dramatically. But the Coates for some bizarre reason thought getting the Leek Town goalie in to get in TP's way was a really good idea. It wasn't. So yes I kind of agree with what March4 was saying. That said TP's time was done, his inability to adapt the playing style was catching up with him. But hence why I say the biggest error was the senior management not evolving with the times when they had ample opportunity and cash to do so. He hadn't been making good signings for some time before then though. As you say his time was up. And the team improved despite really not spending very much and having one of the lowest wage bills in the league for the next few seasons. And the signings made after he left, good and bad, were largely manager-driven. We could have made changes earlier than we did and still been absolutely fine, irrespective of anything to do with TP. Yes, the appointment of Cartwright was a dodgy chumocracy job. Something had to change though. Arguably not enough changed as the problems really started when Hughes as manager was let off the leash and given licence to start throwing good money after bad. Yeah I agree and I think that was because he had run out of ideas and the kind of players he needed to attempt to keep his style going were becoming rare as the football around him in the premier league was evolving. Hughes may have had a better idea about a different style of play and it worked for a while but he was a loose cannon in the transfer market compared to TP.
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