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Post by lordb on May 11, 2022 7:27:40 GMT
I was at Coventry and didn't think we played too badly on the day. We created and missed loads of chances and they scored with pretty much their only shot meaningful shot at goal courtesy of a mistake from Butland. He'd effectively been sacked before the Coventry game anyway irrespective of the result and knew he was going. Bauer signed whilst the Coventry game was being played. Chelsea/Newcastle combination was what killed him ultimately. After his decision to rest everyone v Chelsea and effectively give the game away, we simply had to get a result and performance v Newcastle. We didn't get either. I'd have kept him though at that point and remain confident he'd have got the points we needed to survive. Lambert appointment was unfathomable and an unmitigated disaster. Wasn’t just the Lambert appointment it was the circus that led to his appointment. Really who sacks their manager in that situation without having someone already lined up? Clubs who panic, e.g. Burnley (who have struck lucky with their caretaker)
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 11, 2022 7:27:58 GMT
And winning more than Lambert did still probably wouldn't have kept us up. Lambert drew 7 games, so even if Hughes won 4 to Lambert's 2 we would've still been relegated. It's all conjecture, but I just can't see why so many think Hughes would have done better than Lambert did. We were shipping loads of goals and the defence/whole squad was bereft of confidence. Lambert improved the defence to at least give us more chance of winning games, and ultimately it was probably the amount of individual errors that led to goals that relegated us. That's still something that seems to be haunting us to this day. How many points did we go down by? 4? Depends on who the draws turned into wins would have been? Like 1998 it was an utterly avoidable relegation It was a complete misreading of the problem. We couldn’t score goals and Lambert came in and made it even worse.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 11, 2022 7:33:06 GMT
Wasn’t just the Lambert appointment it was the circus that led to his appointment. Really who sacks their manager in that situation without having someone already lined up? Clubs who panic, e.g. Burnley (who have struck lucky with their caretaker) Still fancy them to go down. We could do with them staying up for the Collins add on but I just hate what Burnley are about.
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Post by lordb on May 11, 2022 7:34:15 GMT
Clubs who panic, e.g. Burnley (who have struck lucky with their caretaker) Still fancy them to go down. We could do with them staying up for the Collins add on but I just hate what Burnley are about. What are they about? Now Dyche has gone they are attacking a lot more
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 11, 2022 7:38:02 GMT
Still fancy them to go down. We could do with them staying up for the Collins add on but I just hate what Burnley are about. What are they about? Now Dyche has gone they are attacking a lot more I haven’t watched them tbh their ambtionless spoiling under Dyche is still how I think of them.
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 11, 2022 14:53:01 GMT
Im not convinced he would have kept us up but I find it surprising that some people can brush aside his first 3 years so easily
Best football weve seen in my supporting lifetime, we wont be putting 6 past Liverpool or playing Man City off the park again any time soon
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Post by lordb on May 11, 2022 14:59:19 GMT
What are they about? Now Dyche has gone they are attacking a lot more I haven’t watched them tbh their ambtionless spoiling under Dyche is still how I think of them. Which is perhaps understandable but unfair, they are now 'going for it' a lot more it's a bit like when Hughes replaced TP & we still got (even 5 years later) the 'Stoke are dangerous at set pieces' & 'you have to counter their long ball football ' when we had changed to passing football & went crap at set pieces > the season we didn't score form a corner until 10 minutes from the end of the very last game we still got that trotted out
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Post by stokie223 on May 11, 2022 15:28:06 GMT
Im not convinced he would have kept us up but I find it surprising that some people can brush aside his first 3 years so easily Best football weve seen in my supporting lifetime, we wont be putting 6 past Liverpool or playing Man City off the park again any time soon He absolutely had to go (probably should have been sooner, although he did have a lot of credit in the bank) but with hindsight, how close we came to staying up I actually think he would have got more points than Lambert did... and then we would have stood a chance. I despised him for a long while, but looking back now it's nothing but fond memories really. As you say - some of the football we played during that period was outrageous. I LOVED going to games and felt like we'd give anyone a game. It will be a while before we get that back at the top table IMO.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 11, 2022 15:50:22 GMT
Im not convinced he would have kept us up but I find it surprising that some people can brush aside his first 3 years so easily Best football weve seen in my supporting lifetime, we wont be putting 6 past Liverpool or playing Man City off the park again any time soon He absolutely had to go (probably should have been sooner, although he did have a lot of credit in the bank) but with hindsight, how close we came to staying up I actually think he would have got more points than Lambert did... and then we would have stood a chance. I despised him for a long while, but looking back now it's nothing but fond memories really. As you say - some of the football we played during that period was outrageous. I LOVED going to games and felt like we'd give anyone a game. It will be a while before we get that back at the top table IMO. The big thing he bought is the belief we could win any game and its no coincidence that coincided with those wins of Manchester City and unitised and Chelsea which we hadn’t achieved previously
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on May 11, 2022 16:05:51 GMT
I was initially underwhelmed by Hughes’ appointment, but from his first interviews you could tell he was completely different to Pulis. He dismissed Pulis’ mantra of “we have to manage expectations”, (in other words, don’t expect much, we are only Little Stoke) and put himself under pressure with his bullish attitude. His early signings excited me and the style of football actually made me look forward to games again!
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 11, 2022 16:20:37 GMT
Im not convinced he would have kept us up but I find it surprising that some people can brush aside his first 3 years so easily Best football weve seen in my supporting lifetime, we wont be putting 6 past Liverpool or playing Man City off the park again any time soon and don’t forget his European Adventures and FA Cup Final…Ooops wrong manager. Apologies
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 11, 2022 18:26:35 GMT
I haven’t watched them tbh their ambtionless spoiling under Dyche is still how I think of them. Which is perhaps understandable but unfair, they are now 'going for it' a lot more it's a bit like when Hughes replaced TP & we still got (even 5 years later) the 'Stoke are dangerous at set pieces' & 'you have to counter their long ball football ' when we had changed to passing football & went crap at set pieces > the season we didn't score form a corner until 10 minutes from the end of the very last game we still got that trotted out Mud sticks. I had exactly the same reaction to MON’s NI. Straight for the remote if they were on to find something better to watch like fishing or snail racing or anything more interesting than their football. I’d say the test card but I don’t think they exist anymore.
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