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Post by spitthedog on May 30, 2021 16:29:09 GMT
is 27th i.e. 7th in the Championship.
Therefore, Play-Offs would be above average, but we should be there or thereabouts from an historical perspective.
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Post by lordb on May 30, 2021 16:55:19 GMT
is 27th i.e. 7th in the Championship. Therefore, Play-Offs would be above average, but we should be there or thereabouts from an historical perspective. Or 5th in div 2 |
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Post by spitthedog on May 30, 2021 17:13:15 GMT
is 27th i.e. 7th in the Championship. Therefore, Play-Offs would be above average, but we should be there or thereabouts from an historical perspective. Or 5th in div 2 Mostly yes, though there were a few seasons when there were just 20 teams in the old First Division between 88-91 I think before the Prem League/Championship was born and 1 season with 21 teams! |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 17:32:35 GMT
I thought we were top half of the Prem/Division 1 every year until Scholes fecked it all up
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Post by spitthedog on May 30, 2021 17:39:10 GMT
I thought we were top half of the Prem/Division 1 every year until Scholes fecked it all up haha!....Yes, it does provide some perspective about where we should realistically expect this club to be I think. |
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Post by GoBoks on May 30, 2021 19:39:56 GMT
I thought we were top half of the Prem/Division 1 every year until Scholes fecked it all up ROFL What about our time in the third tier? |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 19:55:26 GMT
I thought we were top half of the Prem/Division 1 every year until Scholes fecked it all up ROFL What about our time in the third tier? Glory days. Beating Mansfield in front of a crowd that made noise we couldn't dream of now. packed houses every week. Dave Kevan spreading the play. One day again hopefully |
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Post by scfcwebby on May 30, 2021 21:17:40 GMT
I thought we were top half of the Prem/Division 1 every year until Scholes fecked it all up Daft comment considering the wave of money we've had in the last 15 years and what we've achieved at the end of it. We should never be where we are now |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 23:29:44 GMT
I thought we were top half of the Prem/Division 1 every year until Scholes fecked it all up Daft comment considering the wave of money we've had in the last 15 years and what we've achieved at the end of it. We should never be where we are now Of course no other team who spent in the Prem ever came mid table in the Championship. We had 10 years in the Prem and wre always going to be relegated one day. Far bigger clubs have been and spent more money. Daft comment to suggest we shouldn't be in our league after 10 years which was some achievement. is about getting back now. Man City/Newcastle/Leeds....list goes on All gone down, more than once |
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Post by bucknall67 on May 31, 2021 1:58:21 GMT
I believe your comment whooshed over his head.
The fact body odour liked it does appear to suggest this!
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2021 3:45:44 GMT
Daft comment considering the wave of money we've had in the last 15 years and what we've achieved at the end of it. We should never be where we are now Of course no other team who spent in the Prem ever came mid table in the Championship. We had 10 years in the Prem and wre always going to be relegated one day. Far bigger clubs have been and spent more money. Daft comment to suggest we shouldn't be in our league after 10 years which was some achievement. is about getting back now. Man City/Newcastle/Leeds....list goes on All gone down, more than once The fact that we had ten years there - a longer run than almost any other promoted team - and became established during the most lucrative and prosperous years of the Premier League - makes the argument that we should not be where we are now *stronger*, not weaker. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 4:00:45 GMT
Of course no other team who spent in the Prem ever came mid table in the Championship. We had 10 years in the Prem and wre always going to be relegated one day. Far bigger clubs have been and spent more money. Daft comment to suggest we shouldn't be in our league after 10 years which was some achievement. is about getting back now. Man City/Newcastle/Leeds....list goes on All gone down, more than once The fact that we had ten years there - a longer run than almost any other promoted team - and became established during the most lucrative and prosperous years of the Premier League - makes the argument that we should not be where we are now *stronger*, not weaker. Every season is potentially 14 teams who could potentially go down for me. No reason why we were or are better than any of them. Villa were a huge mess not so long back, Leeds got to a CL semi and just back up. |
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2021 4:24:31 GMT
The fact that we had ten years there - a longer run than almost any other promoted team - and became established during the most lucrative and prosperous years of the Premier League - makes the argument that we should not be where we are now *stronger*, not weaker. Every season is potentially 14 teams who could potentially go down for me. No reason why we were or are better than any of them. Villa were a huge mess not so long back, Leeds got to a CL semi and just back up. It’s not just a roll of a fourteen-sided die though is it. Clubs get into trouble because they’re badly managed. We had the advantage on at least ten of those fourteen clubs in the season we got relegated. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 31, 2021 7:12:04 GMT
Every season is potentially 14 teams who could potentially go down for me. No reason why we were or are better than any of them. Villa were a huge mess not so long back, Leeds got to a CL semi and just back up. It’s not just a roll of a fourteen-sided die though is it. Clubs get into trouble because they’re badly managed. We had the advantage on at least ten of those fourteen clubs in the season we got relegated. We also had untold wealth much of our existence has been determined by financial restrictions when we had more money readily available than even some of the top 6 we blew it In Spectacular fashion the last5 years have been a quite remarkable scale of abject failure |
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Post by spitthedog on May 31, 2021 10:05:30 GMT
Every season is potentially 14 teams who could potentially go down for me. No reason why we were or are better than any of them. Villa were a huge mess not so long back, Leeds got to a CL semi and just back up. It’s not just a roll of a fourteen-sided die though is it. Clubs get into trouble because they’re badly managed. We had the advantage on at least ten of those fourteen clubs in the season we got relegated. It works both ways though surely. You can argue that we were exceptionally well managed to get into the Prem League and to sustain our place there for so long. That was an incredible achievement imo. Some might even describe it as overachieving. Historically that seems to be an accurate description. Good management and bad management seem to be par for the course for a club like Stoke, it goes in cycles. It's very rare that a club like Stoke just experiences continuous good management which we did for the best part of 10 years plus. Lots of teams have got themselves into good positions in the Prem, Sunderland finished 7th for 2 consecutive seasons and have had a total of 9 years in the Prem, and they even proven that things could even be much worse! The difficulty is sustaining it, the reality is very few clubs do. Leicester are the exception but even they haven't been in the Prem for 10 consecutive years yet. All teams can't be the exception all of the time unfortunately. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 10:06:55 GMT
It’s not just a roll of a fourteen-sided die though is it. Clubs get into trouble because they’re badly managed. We had the advantage on at least ten of those fourteen clubs in the season we got relegated. We also had untold wealth much of our existence has been determined by financial restrictions when we had more money readily available than even some of the top 6 we blew it In Spectacular fashion the last5 years have been a quite remarkable scale of abject failure Of course we spent badly or wouldn't have been relegated. The problem is like say Villa we were left with players we couldn't shift but will in time and are doing. Financial regulations restrict at the moment but we weren't the first and far bigger clubs will go down and have done. The problem is when we hit that top half, and have expectations and realistically we were never really going to push higher up. You could pick a dozen clubs who went through the same we did . Bournemouth recently got into the habit of spending more and more and suffered as a result after finding themselves in the top half of the Prem, the latest example. Sheff Utd spent poorly and sometimes to attract better players to clubs like our you have to push the boat out. To think we would remain there permanently is very naive as so many clubs our size suffered the same fate after going up. |
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