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Post by AlliG on May 17, 2021 11:26:49 GMT
One for us ‘oldies“, George Farm Blackpool’s goalkeeper scored with a header against Preston in the mid 1950s, this was after he had injured his arm and was forced to play up outfield ( before subs were introduced) If you are going to dig out injured goalies from the 50s going to play in an outfield position and scoring, surely you should pick our own Denis Herod who broke his arm away at Villa, went out onto the right wing and scored.
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Post by PotterLog on May 17, 2021 15:21:21 GMT
I never believed that Keepers should be allowed to enter the opposition half. If an outfield player tried to wear a different coloured shirt than his teammates, he would be ordered to change it. In Allison’s case, he wore a very dark top and it’s easy for defenders to mistake his shirt with the refs. Great header but shouldn’t be allowed. Must admit I did have a similar thought. It was ridiculous how the Baggies defenders just left Alisson alone and I do think the fact he was wearing black allowed him to slip under the radar, so to speak. I don't think it's that far-fetched to imagine that defending a corner in the dying seconds of a game, the players are ultra-focussed on the red shirts in the box and for those few split seconds the black shirt of the goalie doesn't register in their brains as the same threat. Could be an interesting psychological study in it...
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Post by woodstein on May 17, 2021 15:42:16 GMT
I never believed that Keepers should be allowed to enter the opposition half. If an outfield player tried to wear a different coloured shirt than his teammates, he would be ordered to change it. In Allison’s case, he wore a very dark top and it’s easy for defenders to mistake his shirt with the refs. Great header but shouldn’t be allowed. Its not as if he's going out for more than a last minute effort! You sound like a 5 year old kid not happy about a knockabout in the garden with his brother! 😂
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Post by woodstein on May 17, 2021 15:43:11 GMT
I never believed that Keepers should be allowed to enter the opposition half. If an outfield player tried to wear a different coloured shirt than his teammates, he would be ordered to change it. In Allison’s case, he wore a very dark top and it’s easy for defenders to mistake his shirt with the refs. Great header but shouldn’t be allowed. Must admit I did have a similar thought. It was ridiculous how the Baggies defenders just left Alisson alone and I do think the fact he was wearing black allowed him to slip under the radar, so to speak. I don't think it's that far-fetched to imagine that defending a corner in the dying seconds of a game, the players are ultra-focussed on the red shirts in the box and for those few split seconds the black shirt of the goalie doesn't register in their brains as the same threat. Could be an interesting psychological study in it... He should stand out more surely?!
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Post by PotterLog on May 17, 2021 15:58:00 GMT
Must admit I did have a similar thought. It was ridiculous how the Baggies defenders just left Alisson alone and I do think the fact he was wearing black allowed him to slip under the radar, so to speak. I don't think it's that far-fetched to imagine that defending a corner in the dying seconds of a game, the players are ultra-focussed on the red shirts in the box and for those few split seconds the black shirt of the goalie doesn't register in their brains as the same threat. Could be an interesting psychological study in it... He should stand out more surely?! Maybe but I’m not sure the brain works like that - there’s a reason they all wear the same colour after all... Do this test (if you haven’t before). I’m not saying it’s exactly the same but there could be some similar principle at play?
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Post by stokefc on May 17, 2021 16:14:04 GMT
Didn't Scott Barrett score one after he left us think it was Colchester
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Post by walrus on May 17, 2021 19:29:45 GMT
I never believed that Keepers should be allowed to enter the opposition half. If an outfield player tried to wear a different coloured shirt than his teammates, he would be ordered to change it. In Allison’s case, he wore a very dark top and it’s easy for defenders to mistake his shirt with the refs. Great header but shouldn’t be allowed. Must admit I did have a similar thought. It was ridiculous how the Baggies defenders just left Alisson alone and I do think the fact he was wearing black allowed him to slip under the radar, so to speak. I don't think it's that far-fetched to imagine that defending a corner in the dying seconds of a game, the players are ultra-focussed on the red shirts in the box and for those few split seconds the black shirt of the goalie doesn't register in their brains as the same threat. Could be an interesting psychological study in it... This was discussed on MOTD2 last night. The ex-pros on the show agreed that the prevailing school of thought amongst coaches for these situations is that they should stick to marking their planned man and leave the keeper because it’s unlikely the keeper will be a good header of the ball. The fact that this was the first headed goal by a keeper in almost 30 years of Prem football suggests the coaches may be right on that one.
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Post by PotterLog on May 17, 2021 20:12:28 GMT
Must admit I did have a similar thought. It was ridiculous how the Baggies defenders just left Alisson alone and I do think the fact he was wearing black allowed him to slip under the radar, so to speak. I don't think it's that far-fetched to imagine that defending a corner in the dying seconds of a game, the players are ultra-focussed on the red shirts in the box and for those few split seconds the black shirt of the goalie doesn't register in their brains as the same threat. Could be an interesting psychological study in it... This was discussed on MOTD2 last night. The ex-pros on the show agreed that the prevailing school of thought amongst coaches for these situations is that they should stick to marking their planned man in these situations and leave the keeper because it’s unlikely the keeper will be a good header of the ball. The fact that this was the first headed goal by a keeper in almost 30 years of Prem football suggests the coaches may be right on that one. Interesting. Seems very risky. Last night WBA had seven outfield players in and around the six-yard box, to Liverpool's six, and they just allowed Alisson to amble in completely unchallenged. Brom even had two men over on the edge of the area. I'd be apoplectic if our defence did that, even more so if it was a conscious tactical decision. It's not as if you're ever going to be outnumbered, I can't understand why you wouldn't have an extra man in there for that situation.
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Post by stokefc on May 17, 2021 20:16:08 GMT
I've just found this Mart Poom
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Post by walrus on May 17, 2021 20:54:58 GMT
This was discussed on MOTD2 last night. The ex-pros on the show agreed that the prevailing school of thought amongst coaches for these situations is that they should stick to marking their planned man in these situations and leave the keeper because it’s unlikely the keeper will be a good header of the ball. The fact that this was the first headed goal by a keeper in almost 30 years of Prem football suggests the coaches may be right on that one. Interesting. Seems very risky. Last night WBA had seven outfield players in and around the six-yard box, to Liverpool's six, and they just allowed Alisson to amble in completely unchallenged. Brom even had two men over on the edge of the area. I'd be apoplectic if our defence did that, even more so if it was a conscious tactical decision. It's not as if you're ever going to be outnumbered, I can't understand why you wouldn't have an extra man in there for that situation. I thought the same when they were saying it. Although when you factor in the defending goalkeeper who can’t really mark anyone and either one or two men on the posts it is possible for the attacking team to create a situation where the defending team has to leave a free man. On a related note, almost every team brings back all eleven players to defend corners now and defending teams rarely put men on the back post any more. With all the statistical analysis that goes into modern football I would assume that that this is the scenario that is most likely to result in the best outcome for the defending side.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 23:21:06 GMT
Didn't Scott Barrett score one after he left us think it was Colchester He did. Had a fantastic long kick on him to be fair. Didn't Muggleton nearly score for us but kicked thin air. A few games later went up at Huddersfield and Marcus Stewart scored on the break
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Post by loveducknoatcakes on May 18, 2021 18:18:35 GMT
Remember Pat Jennings scoring one
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Post by lordb on May 18, 2021 18:36:57 GMT
Didn't Scott Barrett score one after he left us think it was Colchester He did. Had a fantastic long kick on him to be fair. Didn't Muggleton nearly score for us but kicked thin air. A few games later went up at Huddersfield and Marcus Stewart scored on the break Think Barratt scored a header
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 18:50:37 GMT
He did. Had a fantastic long kick on him to be fair. Didn't Muggleton nearly score for us but kicked thin air. A few games later went up at Huddersfield and Marcus Stewart scored on the break Think Barratt scored a header Kick out of his hands v Wycombe. Took a huge bounce over their keeper a bit like the Begovic one
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 19, 2021 10:20:29 GMT
He should stand out more surely?! Maybe but I’m not sure the brain works like that - there’s a reason they all wear the same colour after all... Do this test (if you haven’t before). I’m not saying it’s exactly the same but there could be some similar principle at play? Did anyone “not” see the gorilla? Do people not see it?
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Post by PotterLog on May 19, 2021 11:52:33 GMT
Maybe but I’m not sure the brain works like that - there’s a reason they all wear the same colour after all... Do this test (if you haven’t before). I’m not saying it’s exactly the same but there could be some similar principle at play? Did anyone “not” see the gorilla? Do people not see it? It’s about half and half I think. I didn’t see it the first time I watched it and was completely gobsmacked when I watched it back. Also it probably doesn’t work very well here because anyone watching it could be primed to pay extra attention by the topic we’re already discussing in the thread.
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 19, 2021 12:32:11 GMT
Did anyone “not” see the gorilla? Do people not see it? It’s about half and half I think. I didn’t see it the first time I watched it and was completely gobsmacked when I watched it back. Also it probably doesn’t work very well here because anyone watching it could be primed to pay extra attention by the topic we’re already discussing in the thread. Possibly on the primed bit. I may have seen it before and then forgot that I’ve seen it.
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Post by thfc67 on May 19, 2021 13:28:20 GMT
Allison (today) Begovic (v. Southampton) Pat Jennings (1967 Charity Shield ??) Jimmy Glass (Carlisle United....... most famous of all) Just starting the debate........must be many others Yes, Pat Jennings v Man Utd. Alex Stepney was in goal for Man U. Two cracking goals from Bobby Charlton as well. Tottenham v Manchester United Charity Shield 1967
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Post by thfc67 on May 19, 2021 13:30:32 GMT
Allison (today) Begovic (v. Southampton) Pat Jennings (1967 Charity Shield ??) Jimmy Glass (Carlisle United....... most famous of all) Just starting the debate........must be many others Yes, Pat Jennings v Man Utd. Alex Stepney was in goal for Man U. Two cracking goals from Bobby Charlton as well. Tottenham v Manchester United Charity Shield 1967 Let's get that link right:
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 14:01:07 GMT
Let's get that link right: My Dad played with Pat Jennings, Gealic football. jennings was about 13 and a shop delivery boy on his bike
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Post by thfc67 on May 19, 2021 19:45:34 GMT
Let's get that link right: My Dad played with Pat Jennings, Gealic football. jennings was about 13 and a shop delivery boy on his bike I remember standing behind the goal, right at front, at White Hart Lane when I was young. Pat Jennings' hands were huge. He'd often catch a cross, at full stretch, with one hand; not showing off, but because he could. I heard he was a tree feller/lumberjack when was a young man.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 19:49:41 GMT
My Dad played with Pat Jennings, Gealic football. jennings was about 13 and a shop delivery boy on his bike I remember standing behind the goal, right at front, at White Hart Lane when I was young. Pat Jennings' hands were huge. He'd often catch a cross, at full stretch, with one hand; not showing off, but because he could. I heard he was a tree feller/lumberjack when was a young man. He did it in Seville the night NI won in Spain in 82. Ball bounced over him and he just plucked it one handed out of the air. I even remember my Mum screaming thinking was in He used to be a lumberjack with his 2 mates- were tree fellers , yes (sorry about that)
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Post by lordb on May 19, 2021 20:23:21 GMT
I remember standing behind the goal, right at front, at White Hart Lane when I was young. Pat Jennings' hands were huge. He'd often catch a cross, at full stretch, with one hand; not showing off, but because he could. I heard he was a tree feller/lumberjack when was a young man. He did it in Seville the night NI won in Spain in 82. Ball bounced over him and he just plucked it one handed out of the air. I even remember my Mum screaming thinking was in He used to be a lumberjack with his 2 mates- were tree fellers , yes (sorry about that) Jennings was right up there with the best keepers of the era Once played for Stoke in a friendly or somesuch
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Post by thfc67 on May 19, 2021 20:31:55 GMT
I remember standing behind the goal, right at front, at White Hart Lane when I was young. Pat Jennings' hands were huge. He'd often catch a cross, at full stretch, with one hand; not showing off, but because he could. I heard he was a tree feller/lumberjack when was a young man. He did it in Seville the night NI won in Spain in 82. Ball bounced over him and he just plucked it one handed out of the air. I even remember my Mum screaming thinking was in He used to be a lumberjack with his 2 mates- were tree fellers , yes (sorry about that) The old ones are the best. Did you hear about the Irish tree fellers? There was four of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 20:41:18 GMT
He did it in Seville the night NI won in Spain in 82. Ball bounced over him and he just plucked it one handed out of the air. I even remember my Mum screaming thinking was in He used to be a lumberjack with his 2 mates- were tree fellers , yes (sorry about that) Jennings was right up there with the best keepers of the era Once played for Stoke in a friendly or somesuch Wasn't he a guest player in Hong Kong or somewhere? edit was Indonesia 1975.
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 19, 2021 22:04:37 GMT
Let's get that link right: I know your a Spurs fan but... ... How good was Bobby Charlton?!?! Those two goals were belters.
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Post by thfc67 on May 19, 2021 22:43:27 GMT
Let's get that link right: I know your a Spurs fan but... ... How good was Bobby Charlton?!?! Those two goals were belters. I was too young to really appreciate how good Bobby Charlton was. But looking back, reading about him and watching clips on YouTube, he was world class without a doubt. One of the best English players ever.
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Post by pretzel on May 20, 2021 21:02:45 GMT
A couple of ex Stoke keepers: Andy Lonergan scored for Preston (2004/05) Gavin Ward scored for Tranmere (2006/07) Bruce Grobbelaar for Crewe (1979/80) Peter Shilton for Leicester City (1967/68) Kevin Pressman scored three penalties for Sheffield Wednesday, although they all came in shootouts.
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Post by enuntio on May 20, 2021 21:17:12 GMT
Alex Stepney for Manchester United in the 60's. I can't remember the fixture but for anyone who had a black and white telly, Man U were in red. Did Stepney not also take a few penalties in the 70's?
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Post by FranktheRabbit on May 20, 2021 23:01:52 GMT
Robinson for Leeds Chilavert got 8 for Paraguay Robinson for Everton also.
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