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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 11:53:37 GMT
Of course as we still have to play Sunderland again away next week, it could be that Varian has been omitted from the squad so that any spies from the playoff clubs don't see those 3 playing together before the playoffs. Or is that a conspiracy theory too far?  Yes, way to far. It suggests unthinkable possibilities, such as for example, the management team have both a plan and an imagination, and that we might be capable of cunning, deception and subterfuge! It's a lot to take in for one go. Don't worry. MON has no influence on team selection in the youth squads. Other than having half the team gaining splinters from sitting down too long, of course. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 4, 2021 14:06:52 GMT
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Post by stokeuk474 on May 4, 2021 14:16:49 GMT
Are we able to attend play offs by law? Will the club make an effort do so so if so? It looks as if the next step of the roadmap will be applied on May 17, so legally yes, the club will be allowed to host 4k(or perhaps 25%). I really hope they do make the effort, I for one would be there. But I suspect, knowing Stoke they probably won't and it will be behind closed doors. We are so rubbish in this regard. It would really give the lads a lift, particularly with the carrot of the final being at the Bet 365 if we get through. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 14:21:53 GMT
Are we able to attend play offs by law? Will the club make an effort do so so if so? It looks as if the next step of the roadmap will be applied on May 17, so legally yes, the club will be allowed to host 4k(or perhaps 25%). I really hope they do make the effort, I for one would be there. But I suspect, knowing Stoke they probably won't and it will be behind closed doors. We are so rubbish in this regard. It would really give the lads a lift, particularly with the carrot of the final being at the Bet 365 if we get through. I think you're being too dark. They've already played at the stadium quite recently, and for the Coates family success for the youth teams is their wet dream. They would probably be in the box themselves for matches like this, perhaps not a semi, but for the final. |
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Post by march4 on May 4, 2021 14:28:07 GMT
Re our best team, I think there's 3 areas of contention. GK - just who plays? I think it'll be Blondy? CB to partner Forrester - will it be the left sided Macari or Taylor or both? CM - Sparrow and Malone seem certainties but Adebambo has been one of the better players when I've seen him and I'd want him in the side if he was fit. But if we play with a back 3 then I think it'd be Malone and Sparrow. I think the front 3 picks itself with Norton, Varian and DWP. But again, we have options. A great place to be. It is more fun discussing this team than it is the first team at the moment. |
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Post by stokeuk474 on May 4, 2021 14:28:13 GMT
It looks as if the next step of the roadmap will be applied on May 17, so legally yes, the club will be allowed to host 4k(or perhaps 25%). I really hope they do make the effort, I for one would be there. But I suspect, knowing Stoke they probably won't and it will be behind closed doors. We are so rubbish in this regard. It would really give the lads a lift, particularly with the carrot of the final being at the Bet 365 if we get through. I think you're being too dark. They've already played at the stadium quite recently, and for the Coates family success for the youth teams is their wet dream. They would probably be in the box themselves for matches like this, perhaps not a semi, but for the final. I agree, without a doubt they would be there(final). It would be a massive endorsement for our youth setup, and they have been brilliant since the turn of the year. I'm just more sceptical about the club making the effort to get the stadium ready to host fans this soon. Sure, they will be ready in August, and this would be a fantastic, and very obvious opportunity to hold a test event, but I just can't see it personally. Maybe i'm wrong, I think i've just been caught up in the general malaise that seems to be surrounding us at the moment. It just goes to show how a few poor results and a poor end to the season, can create such a massive effect and could potentially roll over into next season. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2021 15:00:42 GMT
Re our best team, I think there's 3 areas of contention. GK - just who plays? I think it'll be Blondy? CB to partner Forrester - will it be the left sided Macari or Taylor or both? CM - Sparrow and Malone seem certainties but Adebambo has been one of the better players when I've seen him and I'd want him in the side if he was fit. But if we play with a back 3 then I think it'd be Malone and Sparrow. I think the front 3 picks itself with Norton, Varian and DWP. But again, we have options. A great place to be. It is more fun discussing this team than it is the first team at the moment. Tbh from the FA Youth Cup run to now, the U23/u18's have been better to follow for sure. Not all the sides have been the best but they all try to pass it around, they all work for each it other, they mix it up when they have to and generally they're well rounded footballers. And from the u23 if Coates, Forrester, Taylor, Macari, Jones, Malone, Sparrow, Adebambo, Porter, DWP, Varian and Norton all made a career from football I wouldn't be shocked. No idea at what level and it will vary. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 15:53:58 GMT
I think you're being too dark. They've already played at the stadium quite recently, and for the Coates family success for the youth teams is their wet dream. They would probably be in the box themselves for matches like this, perhaps not a semi, but for the final. I agree, without a doubt they would be there(final). It would be a massive endorsement for our youth setup, and they have been brilliant since the turn of the year. I'm just more sceptical about the club making the effort to get the stadium ready to host fans this soon. Sure, they will be ready in August, and this would be a fantastic, and very obvious opportunity to hold a test event, but I just can't see it personally. Maybe i'm wrong, I think i've just been caught up in the general malaise that seems to be surrounding us at the moment. It just goes to show how a few poor results and a poor end to the season, can create such a massive effect and could potentially roll over into next season. If the kids win those two games think of what effect that could roll over to next season. It all depends on whether MON remains of the belief that they are not good enough "yet" next season as well. If he (or the loan manager) sends most of them out on loan, and then Owen and Russell have to pick half of those up after time spent in their loan club's reserve teams, then it could all come to nothing. If he does plan with the best - the three new amigos plus Coates, Forrester, and Porter (who everyone seems to have forgotten, now that he's been out for months) - then the team that plays one or two play off games could be the nucleus of the fringe players next season. I wouldn't dare to dream that they will be starters so soon. Even so they could have an impact, and like Campbell, Collins, and Souttar, none of whom were in MON's first eleven plans as the season started, their impact could make one or two of them undropable. I guess I'm one of the hopeless romantics who remains positive and optimistic about next season. On the other hand I don't dream - and set myself up for disappointment - about promotion, just a team we can be proud of is what I ask for. Sorry, I went off tpoic and got carried away some  |
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Post by somersetstokie on May 4, 2021 16:21:09 GMT
There is always the probability that by the time these lads have reached a stage of first team squad readiness and a regular choice, and are so finally deemed by the Manager to be "ready", they will be technically too old for the U23's anyway, so the selection problem solves itself.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 17:38:46 GMT
There is always the probability that once these lads have reached a stage of first team squad readiness and a regular choice, and are so finally deemed by the Manager to be "ready", they will be technically too old for the U23's anyway, so the selection problem solves itself. It won't apply to the current bunch for another 4-6 years since their ages are about 17-20. You would hope they will have earned their chances before then. It's not age which should be the decisive factor in whether they are ready. It's whether their respective individual qualities are good enough or not. In Brown's case (not an academy graduate at Stoke, but he tends to be spoken about in future terms the same), it isn't his quality which made him "earn" his chance. It was the size of the transfer fee that got him into the team. Surely that's the wrong way to go about it... |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 11:48:35 GMT
There is always the probability that by the time these lads have reached a stage of first team squad readiness and a regular choice, and are so finally deemed by the Manager to be "ready", they will be technically too old for the U23's anyway, so the selection problem solves itself. There's another aspect of your laissez faire youth policy. If the players haven't played in the first team by their 23rd birthday or earlier they will grow impatient and will want to leave the club permanently. A third or fourth of their careers will already have been wasted by then. We very nearly lost Souttar this way, if MON hadn't started playing him. Souttar's a polite guy, but he did let slip in the recent online interview that he felt he had waited "far too long", before he finally got the chance. There will also be added pressure from the next batch of academy prospects. We already have a talented u18 team, with players who are already in the u23 but technically belong in the u-18 group: Sparrow as an example, Sy another. The other thing is that if the club has players in the lower mid 20s that haven't graduated someone will reach the point where they'll decide that the players are too old to make it, this especially whenever a new manager arrives. The players will then be given frees, not because they're not good enough, but because the manager never had the foresight or courage to fulfill the process. Just imagine that: Coates, Varian, Forrester et al leaving the club on free transfers never having played for us. Meanwhile Smith, Chester, and Brown's contracts will be extended... Of course if the lads really are good enough they will play first team elsewhere and be transferred on for good money, but that's their gain, our loss. |
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Post by apb1 on May 5, 2021 15:57:16 GMT
It would be great to see them promoted to a higher level. Although the top league is small, some of the players might benefit more from playing in it than being sent on loan I guess. I would imagine we'd also have to strengthen, unless the U18s have players who can progress on who would fit in.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 17:46:55 GMT
It would be great to see them promoted to a higher level. Although the top league is small, some of the players might benefit more from playing in it than being sent on loan I guess. I would imagine we'd also have to strengthen, unless the U18s have players who can progress on who would fit in. They have. Some are already in, others on the fringes. Last game had Griffiths and Sy on the bench and Sparrow on the pitch. There's others to come. Not sure what sort of budget we have for the academy in these troubled times. We've spent quite a lot in the past, a 7-figure sum for Campbell for instance. Can't see that happening again - of course I would like to... |
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Post by stokeuk474 on May 10, 2021 7:38:00 GMT
Anyone know if there's a stream for today's game?
Hopefully the clubs can get the playoff dates arranged this week, and then confirm plans for any fan attendance. Should be at full strength if Varian is fit. Will Forrester play after Saturday?
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Post by lordb on May 10, 2021 8:02:40 GMT
It would be great to see them promoted to a higher level. Although the top league is small, some of the players might benefit more from playing in it than being sent on loan I guess. I would imagine we'd also have to strengthen, unless the U18s have players who can progress on who would fit in. They have. Some are already in, others on the fringes. Last game had Griffiths and Sy on the bench and Sparrow on the pitch. There's others to come. Not sure what sort of budget we have for the academy in these troubled times. We've spent quite a lot in the past, a 7-figure sum for Campbell for instance. Can't see that happening again - of course I would like to... Campbell was £700k with add ons, some of which may have kicked in, others (such as playing for England) won't not small beer for U23 player of course Stoke have spent "decent money" on D Wright-Phillips with wages to match recently |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 9:39:47 GMT
They have. Some are already in, others on the fringes. Last game had Griffiths and Sy on the bench and Sparrow on the pitch. There's others to come. Not sure what sort of budget we have for the academy in these troubled times. We've spent quite a lot in the past, a 7-figure sum for Campbell for instance. Can't see that happening again - of course I would like to... Campbell was £700k with add ons, some of which may have kicked in, others (such as playing for England) won't not small beer for U23 player of course Stoke have spent "decent money" on D Wright-Phillips with wages to match recently How much for dwp? |
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Post by lordb on May 10, 2021 10:47:22 GMT
Campbell was £700k with add ons, some of which may have kicked in, others (such as playing for England) won't not small beer for U23 player of course Stoke have spent "decent money" on D Wright-Phillips with wages to match recently How much for dwp? I don't actually know  but have been told it was " a significant figure" edit: & told he was "big money" i.e. first team wages to towards that suggests to me that U23 budget is still healthy |
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Post by Northy on May 10, 2021 11:17:35 GMT
2 trialists in today  |
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U23 today
May 10, 2021 11:21:34 GMT
via mobile
Post by gingerninja on May 10, 2021 11:21:34 GMT
Is the Under 23 budget different in respect of FFP?.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 10, 2021 11:30:46 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 10, 2021 12:16:38 GMT
Soccerway has a Jakob Glover down as one of the trilists but ironically he's a goalie. But we have Hemfrey playing who's a goalie. So there's something gone wrong somewhere.
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U23 today
May 10, 2021 12:29:38 GMT
via mobile
Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 12:29:38 GMT
Soccerway has a Jakob Glover down as one of the trilists but ironically he's a goalie. But we have Hemfrey playing who's a goalie. So there's something gone wrong somewhere. Isn’t it annoying that the teamsheets can’t just read Name(trialist) or something similar. Out of curiosity, how many of these trialists have we signed this year for the U23s? |
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Post by marylandstoke on May 10, 2021 12:38:07 GMT
Is there a stream anywhere?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 10, 2021 12:50:32 GMT
Soccerway has a Jakob Glover down as one of the trilists but ironically he's a goalie. But we have Hemfrey playing who's a goalie. So there's something gone wrong somewhere. Isn’t it annoying that the teamsheets can’t just read Name(trialist) or something similar. Out of curiosity, how many of these trialists have we signed this year for the U23s? Don't think any bar Goodwin maybe? They might be being looked at for next year anyway so there could be a delay. It's changed now and there's 2 different names on there. Pascal Kpohomouh and David Agbontohoma |
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Post by apb1 on May 10, 2021 12:50:40 GMT
Is there a stream anywhere? Don't think so - we aren't even updating Twitter - so Sunderland one is only info twitter.com/SunderlandAFC |
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Post by theonlooker on May 10, 2021 12:54:12 GMT
Isn’t it annoying that the teamsheets can’t just read Name(trialist) or something similar. Out of curiosity, how many of these trialists have we signed this year for the U23s? Don't think any bar Goodwin maybe? They might be being looked at for next year anyway so there could be a delay. It's changed now and there's 2 different names on there. Pascal Kpohomouh and David Agbontohoma Basic research. Both ex Southampton. Pascal looks like a right unit! |
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Post by LGH87 on May 10, 2021 13:00:26 GMT
Don't think any bar Goodwin maybe? They might be being looked at for next year anyway so there could be a delay. It's changed now and there's 2 different names on there. Pascal Kpohomouh and David Agbontohoma Basic research. Both ex Southampton. Pascal looks like a right unit! Pals of Norton possibly. |
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Post by BuzzB on May 10, 2021 13:04:35 GMT
0-0 half time
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 13:18:19 GMT
I don't actually know but have been told it was " a significant figure" edit: & told he was "big money" i.e. first team wages to towards that suggests to me that U23 budget is still healthy I'm not sure, but it could be that the board has committed a reasonly large sum to the academy. If they haven't done that they might not retain category 1 status. But how much it actually I wouldn't know either. With regard to DWP...I was sceptical when he came in. Then I saw him play...no more scepticism. Just thrill. I just hope we can hold on to him long enough that he actually gets to play for the first team for a year or two, but he could potentially just be someone we spin money on. |
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Post by xchpotter on May 10, 2021 13:21:03 GMT
Isn’t it annoying that the teamsheets can’t just read Name(trialist) or something similar. Out of curiosity, how many of these trialists have we signed this year for the U23s? Don't think any bar Goodwin maybe? They might be being looked at for next year anyway so there could be a delay. It's changed now and there's 2 different names on there. Pascal Kpohomouh and David Agbontohoma Bloomin eck, how is Nige going to cope with those two names if they have a future at the club and end up in the first team?😂😂 |
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