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Post by cobhamstokey on May 2, 2021 16:30:14 GMT
Bravo for calling out simulation as cheating in the modern game. So refreshing to hear. Sadly Micah Richards who i do like didn’t agree. He said it’s all part of the game.
I really hope this simulation gets pushed as cheating because it’s ruining the game and making the refs job incredibly difficult.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 2, 2021 16:41:05 GMT
Definitely one of the biggest issues in the game along with feigning injury and the whole piece around the "right to go down"
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Post by wuzza on May 2, 2021 16:51:22 GMT
Watched an old Man U v Forest game on YouTube the other day (I have no explanation as to why) and I kid you not in today’s environment there would have been at least 6 penalty’s. The game isn’t a better spectacle for the change that has occurred.
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Post by march4 on May 2, 2021 16:52:22 GMT
Cheating is not part of the game. The rules clearly forbid it.
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Post by crapslinger on May 2, 2021 17:33:06 GMT
Surprised how Micah Richards was excusing it as simulation which is cheating it needs tackling excuse the pun.
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Post by Pugsley on May 2, 2021 17:37:18 GMT
Richards didn't condone cheating, he said Grealish was good at buying fouls, which has happened in the game since we had referees.
People should lose their shit with referees, not players. They enforce the laws.
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Post by independent on May 2, 2021 17:38:48 GMT
Of course it is cheating. Even if it wasn't then at least it must be unsporting behaviour which is also a punishable offence.
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Post by Squeekster on May 2, 2021 17:39:15 GMT
Micah is right, it's a case of if you can't beat them join em!
When we were in the prem we got shafted many many times by simulation (cheating) and I was livid with it, then you start to realise, well it's going to happen so why not get even!
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Post by independent on May 2, 2021 17:43:39 GMT
Richards didn't condone cheating, he said Grealish was good at buying fouls, which has happened in the game since we had referees. People should lose their shit with referees, not players. They enforce the laws. you are right, he didn't condone cheating. Only because he said cheating was a step up from simulation. How anyone could think that fooling a ref into giving you a decision that you don't deserve is not cheating baffles me. perhaps someone could explain it to me. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 17:45:36 GMT
If a player tries to stay on his feet he gets nothing for it, until officials start looking at the offence and not the reaction nothing will change
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Post by independent on May 2, 2021 17:47:08 GMT
Micah is right, it's a case of if you can't beat them join em! When we were in the prem we got shafted many many times by simulation (cheating) and I was livid with it, then you start to realise, well it's going to happen so why not get even! That is a totally different argument. What you are saying is that everyone else is cheating , so I may as well do it. You are accepting that it is cheating. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 2, 2021 17:47:43 GMT
Just watching Nashville v Miami, where, I might add, Shawcross is doing a fine job of marshalling the defence.
Anyway a Nashville player just waved his hand in the face of a Miami player when taking a throw in, can’t be sure if he touch him or not, but the Miami player waited a few seconds, presumably until the ref was looking, and proceeded to fall the the ground clutching his face. He must have been down for two or three minutes feigning injury.
I just don’t know why they do it when it’s being broadcast on live television and everyone can see he’s a cheating twat.
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Post by Veritas on May 2, 2021 17:50:05 GMT
Richards didn't condone cheating, he said Grealish was good at buying fouls, which has happened in the game since we had referees. People should lose their shit with referees, not players. They enforce the laws. Players cheat and con the ref and you reckon it's the ref who should be slated! Bizarre. |
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Post by Squeekster on May 2, 2021 17:53:03 GMT
Micah is right, it's a case of if you can't beat them join em! When we were in the prem we got shafted many many times by simulation (cheating) and I was livid with it, then you start to realise, well it's going to happen so why not get even! That is a totally different argument. What you are saying is that everyone else is cheating , so I may as well do it. You are accepting that it is cheating. Cheating/simulation tamato/tomato which ever way you dress it up players get away with it so why not do the same? That said the bigger clubs still get away with it more than the smaller ones. |
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Post by onepara on May 2, 2021 17:54:44 GMT
The referees are too weak & don't enforce the laws. They let the players get away with it & that's why they cheat, because they can. They follow what the other players get away with. One does it so they all do it. It's down to poor refereeing. As Souness said.
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Post by independent on May 2, 2021 17:56:57 GMT
Mica Richards has gone way down in my estimation. His remarks were so obviously stupid.
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Post by franklin on May 2, 2021 18:01:45 GMT
Mica Richards has gone way down in my estimation. His remarks were so obviously stupid. A sign of the "modern" player dishonesty is a characteristic often desired over honesty and integrity. |
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Post by independent on May 2, 2021 18:02:47 GMT
The penalty decision in the Peterboro' v Lincoln game last night was a classic. Peterboro' were promoted to the Championship as a result of blatant cheating. The ref was in a perfect position to view the incident. I still don't know how it was given.
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Post by Pugsley on May 2, 2021 18:04:21 GMT
Richards didn't condone cheating, he said Grealish was good at buying fouls, which has happened in the game since we had referees. People should lose their shit with referees, not players. They enforce the laws. Players cheat and con the ref and you reckon it's the ref who should be slated! Bizarre. Ref applies the laws, Players soon stop when they miss games. It's really that simple. |
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Post by Pugsley on May 2, 2021 18:05:03 GMT
The penalty decision in the Peterboro' v Lincoln game last night was a classic. Peterboro' were promoted to the Championship as a result of blatant cheating. The ref was in a perfect position to view the incident. I still don't know how it was given.  Because the powers that be and the refs are weak as piss. |
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Post by independent on May 2, 2021 18:08:16 GMT
That is a totally different argument. What you are saying is that everyone else is cheating , so I may as well do it. You are accepting that it is cheating. Cheating/simulation tamato/tomato which ever way you dress it up players get away with it so why not do the same? That said the bigger clubs still get away with it more than the smaller ones. The point is that you either agree with cheating or you don't. It can be eliminated from the game very easily if the will is there. If it was done away with, would it be missed. |
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Post by Squeekster on May 2, 2021 18:17:46 GMT
Cheating/simulation tamato/tomato which ever way you dress it up players get away with it so why not do the same? That said the bigger clubs still get away with it more than the smaller ones. The point is that you either agree with cheating or you don't. It can be eliminated from the game very easily if the will is there. If it was done away with, would it be missed. I don't agree with it mate just simply saying that if it's acceptable for all other players, why not join them. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 18:20:45 GMT
Souness and a lot on here don't understand that being good at winning a foul doesn't equal diving.
Grealish is bloody great at getting between the man and the ball and letting reckless or shit players foul him. A dive for me is when there's no contact at all.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 2, 2021 18:22:27 GMT
Souness and a lot on here don't understand that being good at winning a foul doesn't equal diving. Grealish is bloody great at getting between the man and the ball and letting reckless or shit players foul him. A dive for me is when there's no contact at all. Agree with that |
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Post by independent on May 2, 2021 18:30:00 GMT
Maybe the fans need to unite to get rid of it like they did with the Super League. I can remember a time when we laughed at Foreigners playing in England who indulged in diving. Now we have defenders with both hands around a forward's waist at corners and players feigning injury if a hand as much as brushes their face. All of which can only be described as pathetic and would have been looked on years ago as unmanly.
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Post by independent on May 2, 2021 18:48:17 GMT
Souness and a lot on here don't understand that being good at winning a foul doesn't equal diving. Grealish is bloody great at getting between the man and the ball and letting reckless or shit players foul him. A dive for me is when there's no contact at all. Agree with that I think Souness understands the difference very well and that is not what he is complaining about. every footballer from the age of six is trained to keep his body between the ball and his opponent. this is one of the advantages of being two footed. I think what he is complaining about is: 1. the player travelling at speed, while being chased, who suddenly applies the brakes and forces his opponent to run into the back of him. 2. the player who knocks the ball forward, slows a little and throws one of his feet out to the right or left side, totally unnaturally and getting clipped by an opponent. 3. player going down without any contact whatsoever. or a player feeling a hand touching his body, without any pushing being involved, immediately going down like a sack of spuds. I think that he feels that it is a man's game and players should only go down when they can't stay on their feet. If all players did this then refs would give pens even when the player didn't go down. |
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Post by Veritas on May 2, 2021 19:15:25 GMT
Players cheat and con the ref and you reckon it's the ref who should be slated! Bizarre. Ref applies the laws, Players soon stop when they miss games. It's really that simple. But the ref has been conned! How can the ref apply the law he doesn't know there has been a breach as he has been conned. |
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Post by Pugsley on May 2, 2021 19:28:59 GMT
Ref applies the laws, Players soon stop when they miss games. It's really that simple. But the ref has been conned! How can the ref apply the law he doesn't know there has been a breach as he has been conned. They need to get better. Encouraging ex-pros to go into reffing could help. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 19:51:16 GMT
But the ref has been conned! How can the ref apply the law he doesn't know there has been a breach as he has been conned. They need to get better. Encouraging ex-pros to go into reffing could help. Or better yet, the young players who don't make it out of the academy system. Players who believed they'd make a career of it but don't cut it at professional level. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 3, 2021 5:50:09 GMT
I think Souness understands the difference very well and that is not what he is complaining about. every footballer from the age of six is trained to keep his body between the ball and his opponent. this is one of the advantages of being two footed. I think what he is complaining about is: 1. the player travelling at speed, while being chased, who suddenly applies the brakes and forces his opponent to run into the back of him. 2. the player who knocks the ball forward, slows a little and throws one of his feet out to the right or left side, totally unnaturally and getting clipped by an opponent. 3. player going down without any contact whatsoever. or a player feeling a hand touching his body, without any pushing being involved, immediately going down like a sack of spuds. I think that he feels that it is a man's game and players should only go down when they can't stay on their feet. If all players did this then refs would give pens even when the player didn't go down. this |
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