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Post by sheds1862 on Apr 25, 2021 5:52:40 GMT
Whilst they may have vastly overpaid let’s not forget Schalke paid big money for him. Whilst he didn’t set the world alight he was starting Bundesliga games (albeit in an awful side) even this season. He needed playing and a run of games. Why folk, including many on this thread, honestly think we can just go out there and get the real deal is beyond me. When we were promoted we did well out of signing players who had lost their way elsewhere if I recall? Surely the fee Schalke paid is irrelevant ? I give you Vokes .
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Post by nott1 on Apr 25, 2021 5:58:05 GMT
He's not been match fit until this game as he's only been brought off the bench for a few minutes for the most part. A good pre-season and he'll an exciting asset!
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 25, 2021 7:46:21 GMT
Tough one this, will we won't we sign him again?. Before yesterday I am sure we would all say no we shouldn't, but there are glimpses of what he could offer, certainly off the bench. Tricky one..wonder what MON is thinking.
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Post by lordb on Apr 25, 2021 8:13:39 GMT
How? FFP continues to prevent that for another year. Going to have to be gambles not proven players So what is our limit with ffp? What are we allowed to spend? Small amounts like what we have spent so far under this manager Going out and spending £10m on proven Championship players isn't possible unless we sell
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Post by DC1863 on Apr 25, 2021 8:41:57 GMT
If you measure him against say Liam Lawrence in our promotion season, it's not even comparable. What was it, 14 goals Lawrence scored and 10+ assists? This guy is nowhere close and the fact we are clinging onto him being the answer shows how far we've sunk. Sack him off and get a proven, quality winger. I agree we have too many developing players in that position at similar ages: Rabbi, Tymon, Clarke and we do need someone who is already proven at this level. But at 20 Lawrence was playing a bit part in Mansfield's League Two promotion season. Given that Matondo is battling for a Euro 2021 place with Wales and he's just given (for me) a breakthrough Championship performance and just 20, suggests he could develop into a far superior player than Liam ever was.
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Post by Cns on Apr 25, 2021 8:46:14 GMT
A bit raw, but potential for him to develop, so he's better off not coming here if he wants to fulfill it.
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Post by Gods on Apr 25, 2021 8:58:01 GMT
What happened with the goal? He seemed to scuff the shot or perhaps an OG from the defender sliding in?
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Post by raythesailor on Apr 25, 2021 10:10:12 GMT
What was remarkable about his goal was the run he made to get into that position.
With surprising anticipation he ran at great speed from very deep and left the Forest defence standing..
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 25, 2021 11:14:52 GMT
Don't see why we wouldn't try to loan him again. Can you imagine him going to somewhere like Derby and tearing up the league next season? If he's had a difficult time injury and confidence wise but his attitude has been right and he is beginning to show the attributes he undoubtedly has we 'd be stupid not to loan him with an option to buy him at the end of the season. Quickly too before other clubs realise what a player he might be.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 25, 2021 11:19:33 GMT
He's not been match fit until this game as he's only been brought off the bench for a few minutes for the most part. A good pre-season and he'll an exciting asset! How has he not been match fit before yesterday? And what suddenly meant he was? Was it that he played well? 😂 He played well on his debut and then nothing since. I get that it will take time but he hasn’t had matches to get match fit in, that’s my issue here.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Apr 25, 2021 11:47:03 GMT
Young lad runs rings about a bog standard forest team. Does that warrant any additional interest. Not at the moment. Do it against play off favourites Bournemouth on the last game and it may raise an optimistic eyebrow.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 25, 2021 18:17:14 GMT
He's not been match fit until this game as he's only been brought off the bench for a few minutes for the most part. A good pre-season and he'll an exciting asset! How has he not been match fit before yesterday? And what suddenly meant he was? Was it that he played well? 😂 He played well on his debut and then nothing since. I get that it will take time but he hasn’t had matches to get match fit in, that’s my issue here. He's had injuries since he signed and has hardly played full matches, mostly off the bench for a few minutes, so getting match fit has been a problem. He must have been doing some serious fitness training recently to show pace like he did yesterday. If we can get him playing like that he'll be well worth keeping I think.
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Post by Ron on Apr 25, 2021 18:21:28 GMT
Whilst they may have vastly overpaid let’s not forget Schalke paid big money for him. Whilst he didn’t set the world alight he was starting Bundesliga games (albeit in an awful side) even this season. He needed playing and a run of games. Why folk, including many on this thread, honestly think we can just go out there and get the real deal is beyond me. When we were promoted we did well out of signing players who had lost their way elsewhere if I recall? Surely the fee Schalke paid is irrelevant ? I give you Vokes . point I make is that, as a young player, there was something about him to make them spend that money.... or they just thought it was the thing to do after Sancho did so well at Dortmund
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 25, 2021 20:51:46 GMT
When I first saw the title of this thread I thought it was about a Dildo Rabbi has to stay based on what we have seen in the last 2 games. I like what I have seen of RND, Clarke looks a decent player too, Campbell to come back, Powell in form. We need a worldy central defender to go bring Souttar on and a few other positions need tinkering with, but there is a little glimmer of hope that we may have a team that is genuine top half material next season and maybe not be the hard slog we are all expecting it to be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 20:54:54 GMT
If you measure him against say Liam Lawrence in our promotion season, it's not even comparable. What was it, 14 goals Lawrence scored and 10+ assists? This guy is nowhere close and the fact we are clinging onto him being the answer shows how far we've sunk. Sack him off and get a proven, quality winger. I agree we have too many developing players in that position at similar ages: Rabbi, Tymon, Clarke and we do need someone who is already proven at this level. But at 20 Lawrence was playing a bit part in Mansfield's League Two promotion season. Given that Matondo is battling for a Euro 2021 place with Wales and he's just given (for me) a breakthrough Championship performance and just 20, suggests he could develop into a far superior player than Liam ever was. One performance 😂 I actually think Matondo has been unlucky as he was injured long term prior to coming to us. However, he’s had one good game for us. Maybe don’t equivocate his potential to that of one of the better wide midfielders we’ve had in a few decades just yet.
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 25, 2021 21:31:37 GMT
If you measure him against say Liam Lawrence in our promotion season, it's not even comparable. What was it, 14 goals Lawrence scored and 10+ assists? This guy is nowhere close and the fact we are clinging onto him being the answer shows how far we've sunk. Sack him off and get a proven, quality winger. Tom Ince was proven at this level.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 1, 2021 15:55:21 GMT
I hope we can come to an arrangement so he's here next season. You can see him improving every game
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Post by christhepotter on May 1, 2021 15:56:48 GMT
I hope we can come to an arrangement so he's here next season. You can see him improving every game You must be taking the piss , he’s had two ok’ish games , the rest he’s been wank , we shouldn’t be wasting what little money we have on him
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Post by chuckrocky on May 1, 2021 15:56:56 GMT
Literally the only player worth a mention today.
Definitely worth another loan next season.
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Post by jeycov on May 1, 2021 15:57:55 GMT
Literally the only player worth a mention today. Definitely worth another loan next season. Agree , hope he wants to stay
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 1, 2021 16:07:00 GMT
I hope we can come to an arrangement so he's here next season. You can see him improving every game You must be taking the piss , he’s had two ok’ish games , the rest he’s been wank , we shouldn’t be wasting what little money we have on him He's hardly played though? And you can see he's a young player improving quickly when given a chance
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Post by christhepotter on May 1, 2021 16:09:37 GMT
You must be taking the piss , he’s had two ok’ish games , the rest he’s been wank , we shouldn’t be wasting what little money we have on him He's hardly played though? And you can see he's a young player improving quickly when given a chance And we have little money so no need waste it on him , we need players who are going make an impact
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 1, 2021 16:11:50 GMT
He's hardly played though? And you can see he's a young player improving quickly when given a chance And we have little money so no need waste it on him , we need players who are going make an impact I don't think we're paying his wages.
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Post by christhepotter on May 1, 2021 16:12:41 GMT
And we have little money so no need waste it on him , we need players who are going make an impact I don't think we're paying his wages. I bet we are paying something
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2021 16:23:25 GMT
He was ok today but not for me on the evidence overall.
We need better.
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Post by toad on May 1, 2021 16:48:41 GMT
Good again today, encouraging progression over the last two games. Still quite raw but our only threat again today. Would have him back next season. Him, Doughty and Tyrese should provide good options out wide.
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Post by nott1 on May 1, 2021 16:49:02 GMT
MOTM
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Post by wearestoke80 on May 1, 2021 16:51:40 GMT
Good today but another 1 good game in 5 player. Not good enough.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 1, 2021 17:00:05 GMT
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Post by nottsover60 on May 1, 2021 17:13:12 GMT
I hope we can come to an arrangement so he's here next season. You can see him improving every game You must be taking the piss , he’s had two ok’ish games , the rest he’s been wank , we shouldn’t be wasting what little money we have on him But his best two games have been the last two which is exactly what the original comment says - you can see he's improving. People have forgotten how ineffective Campbell was at first. I can see this lad having a very good season next year if he stays. What was nice encouraging today was the obvious enjoyment he was having. He looked so much more relaxed than when he first came which I hope means he'd like to stay given the chance.
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