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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 24, 2021 19:31:22 GMT
If you measure him against say Liam Lawrence in our promotion season, it's not even comparable. What was it, 14 goals Lawrence scored and 10+ assists? This guy is nowhere close and the fact we are clinging onto him being the answer shows how far we've sunk. Sack him off and get a proven, quality winger. Very little chance of us being able to BUY any proven, quality player until the constraints of FFP are lessened - hopefully in 12 months time. For that reason, I'd like to see Rabbi back on loan next season - especially if we could do the deal in time to give him a full preseason with our squad.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 24, 2021 19:33:20 GMT
There was more to him than that today though wasn’t there? Bit like Tymon at the Forest game last season....one swallow etc etc. I thought he played well when he came on against Cov as well. Fair play, he’d been nightmarishly bad before that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 19:38:04 GMT
If you measure him against say Liam Lawrence in our promotion season, it's not even comparable. What was it, 14 goals Lawrence scored and 10+ assists? This guy is nowhere close and the fact we are clinging onto him being the answer shows how far we've sunk. Sack him off and get a proven, quality winger. I mean Lawrence had scored 10 goals in 73 appearances for Sunderland. By your maths you wouldn't have signed Lawrence because he didn't have the stats of Lawrence
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Post by yyy on Apr 24, 2021 19:39:27 GMT
I think I'd take him next season if we can get an option to buy clause for a very decent price so if he hits it off it's win win, its worth another season for me in that instance. He definatly showed something today, tracked back well a few times too which is handy to have a player with that pace doing. He also showed his ability to take a man or three on too and he is rapid.
As others have said it can take a player a few games to find their bearings, especially as he hasn't played much first team football anywhere.
Looks the type of player to me that can have too much time with the ball atm and his decision making with that time is not the best whereas if he has no time he doesn't over think it but just does it. Decision making and reading the game is something that can come with games and coaching, at the end of the day he has hardly played any first team football, anywhere so he is still a bit raw
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Post by march4 on Apr 24, 2021 19:40:05 GMT
Did he actually score the goal today.
From the replay he got to the ball first but his touch didn’t look like it directed the ball goalwards. The defender’s touch redirected it into the net.
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Post by march4 on Apr 24, 2021 19:40:33 GMT
Oh and he played well today!
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 24, 2021 19:40:57 GMT
I think I'd take him next season if we can get an option to buy clause for a very decent price so if he hits it off it's win win, its worth another season for me in that instance. He definatly showed something today, tracked back well a few times too which is handy to have a player with that pace doing. He also showed his ability to take a man or three on too and he is rapid. As others have said it can take a player a few games to find their bearings, especially as he hasn't played much first team football anywhere. Looks the type of player to me that can have too much time with the ball atm and his decision making with that time is not the best whereas if he has no time he doesn't over think it but just does it. Decision making and reading the game is something that can come with games and coaching, at the end of the day he has hardly played any first team football, anywhere so he is still a bit raw A potential front 4 of Campbell Doherty powell matondo is frightening in the pace stakes if it work.
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Post by yyy on Apr 24, 2021 19:44:24 GMT
I think I'd take him next season if we can get an option to buy clause for a very decent price so if he hits it off it's win win, its worth another season for me in that instance. He definatly showed something today, tracked back well a few times too which is handy to have a player with that pace doing. He also showed his ability to take a man or three on too and he is rapid. As others have said it can take a player a few games to find their bearings, especially as he hasn't played much first team football anywhere. Looks the type of player to me that can have too much time with the ball atm and his decision making with that time is not the best whereas if he has no time he doesn't over think it but just does it. Decision making and reading the game is something that can come with games and coaching, at the end of the day he has hardly played any first team football, anywhere so he is still a bit raw A potential front 4 of Campbell Doherty powell matondo is frightening in the pace stakes if it work. Agree with that one, say we managed to get promoted aswell and he had a successful loan we could easily buy him and he would come in useful as we would be playing counter attacking football in the Premiership, would be a great outball. He's got two more games to impress as someone else has said
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Post by NassauDave on Apr 24, 2021 19:44:25 GMT
Bit like Tymon at the Forest game last season....one swallow etc etc. I thought he played well when he came on against Cov as well. Fair play, he’d been nightmarishly bad before that. We just need better quality mate and he's one of many that we have who is just not good enough.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 24, 2021 20:02:51 GMT
If you measure him against say Liam Lawrence in our promotion season, it's not even comparable. What was it, 14 goals Lawrence scored and 10+ assists? This guy is nowhere close and the fact we are clinging onto him being the answer shows how far we've sunk. Sack him off and get a proven, quality winger. I mean Lawrence had scored 10 goals in 73 appearances for Sunderland. By your maths you wouldn't have signed Lawrence because he didn't have the stats of Lawrence True enough but I think you're kidding yourself if you think this guy is anywhere close to Lawrence.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 24, 2021 20:03:55 GMT
Alfie will play, Tyrese will play, Norton or Varian should get a few games second half of the season. I'd like to see them both get a loan out and come back in Jan. Like it or Brown is going to play, Powell will start when fit so if Th and Alfie are fit that's all the front berths covered with JM and Tymon as cover. The two loanees haven't changed a single game so why spend the money repeating the mistake ? Because they might help us get where we need to be? Do you think? Certainly not the fella who the thread us about surely.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 24, 2021 20:06:14 GMT
I thought he played well when he came on against Cov as well. Fair play, he’d been nightmarishly bad before that. We just need better quality mate and he's one of many that we have who is just not good enough. I was totally ready to never speak of him again before his cameo the other night mate, now I’d be inclined to just give him the next couple of games before making a call.
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Post by Ron on Apr 24, 2021 20:09:07 GMT
Whilst they may have vastly overpaid let’s not forget Schalke paid big money for him. Whilst he didn’t set the world alight he was starting Bundesliga games (albeit in an awful side) even this season.
He needed playing and a run of games.
Why folk, including many on this thread, honestly think we can just go out there and get the real deal is beyond me.
When we were promoted we did well out of signing players who had lost their way elsewhere if I recall?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 24, 2021 20:09:13 GMT
Because they might help us get where we need to be? Do you think? Certainly not the fella who the thread us about surely. I wouldn’t have said so before the last couple of games but he’s worth another couple of starts in these last two dead rubbers surely?
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 24, 2021 20:19:09 GMT
But by O'Neill's own admission,he's been limited to games as we don't play a system which involves wingers,you couldn't make it up if you tried !!
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Post by lordb on Apr 24, 2021 20:22:52 GMT
Like who, in that position? Alfie will play, Tyrese will play, Norton or Varian should get a few games second half of the season. I'd like to see them both get a loan out and come back in Jan. Like it or Brown is going to play, Powell will start when fit so if Th and Alfie are fit that's all the front berths covered with JM and Tymon as cover. The two loanees haven't changed a single game so why spend the money repeating the mistake ? Varian is decent but given he's older not convinced he's going to make Championship level, think he will be let go, can see him playing in Scotland or back in Ireland
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Post by lordb on Apr 24, 2021 20:24:22 GMT
If you measure him against say Liam Lawrence in our promotion season, it's not even comparable. What was it, 14 goals Lawrence scored and 10+ assists? This guy is nowhere close and the fact we are clinging onto him being the answer shows how far we've sunk. Sack him off and get a proven, quality winger. How? FFP continues to prevent that for another year. Going to have to be gambles not proven players
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 20:24:37 GMT
He came back from a major injury when we got him, right? Perhaps a loan until January, if he has a decent last two games and then see? It’s hard to know with young players coming back from long spells out the game.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 24, 2021 20:25:46 GMT
If you measure him against say Liam Lawrence in our promotion season, it's not even comparable. What was it, 14 goals Lawrence scored and 10+ assists? This guy is nowhere close and the fact we are clinging onto him being the answer shows how far we've sunk. Sack him off and get a proven, quality winger. How? FFP continues to prevent that for another year. Going to have to be gambles not proven players So what is our limit with ffp? What are we allowed to spend?
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Post by wilcopotter on Apr 24, 2021 20:26:28 GMT
To quote Elvis, “Return to sender “.
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Post by yyy on Apr 24, 2021 20:34:51 GMT
He came back from a major injury when we got him, right? Perhaps a loan until January, if he has a decent last two games and then see? It’s hard to know with young players coming back from long spells out the game. He also played a nice ball today to Fletcher That miss controlled it, it looked a good 40/50 yard pass, something you would expect Powell to do. So he's got an eye for a pass in his locker
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 24, 2021 20:40:45 GMT
As a punt/project for a couple hundred K I think he'd be worth a go but for me he's to far off what we need, we need to be loaning players that can contribute regularly straight away.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 24, 2021 21:11:41 GMT
He could be a real asset (and presumably reasonably cheap) next year on today's showing but no idea if he can follow it up. He's obviously got summat about him. We should have used him more often with passes to run onto Did some important tracking back too Hope we keep him for next season
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 22:05:01 GMT
I mean Lawrence had scored 10 goals in 73 appearances for Sunderland. By your maths you wouldn't have signed Lawrence because he didn't have the stats of Lawrence True enough but I think you're kidding yourself if you think this guy is anywhere close to Lawrence. I can see why after seeing him for about 180 mins you would be easily in a position to make this assumption
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 24, 2021 22:29:05 GMT
As a punt/project for a couple hundred K I think he'd be worth a go but for me he's to far off what we need, we need to be loaning players that can contribute regularly straight away. Standard footy fan stuff isn't it - player has one good game and then all of a sudden he's the answer to years of problems.. He'll probably have a shitter next week and then the masses will want his head on a stick. He's not the answer and like you say, we need players who can contribute with immediate effect if we are to be serious promotion contenders. If we are happy finishing 12th/13th again then maybe he's got a place.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 24, 2021 22:32:25 GMT
As a punt/project for a couple hundred K I think he'd be worth a go but for me he's to far off what we need, we need to be loaning players that can contribute regularly straight away. Standard footy fan stuff isn't it - player has one good game and then all of a sudden he's the answer to years of problems.. He'll probably have a shitter next week and then the masses will want his head on a stick. He's not the answer and like you say, we need players who can contribute with immediate effect if we are to be serious promotion contenders. If we are happy finishing 12th/13th again then maybe he's got a place. Bit harsh, he’s a young kid who was uprooted abroad, clearly struggled in the environment and lost confidence which is blatantly obvious since he joined us. However, credit to him today for fronting up and just maybe he could have a good end to the season. If he does, we should try to get him back next season
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 24, 2021 22:44:16 GMT
Standard footy fan stuff isn't it - player has one good game and then all of a sudden he's the answer to years of problems.. He'll probably have a shitter next week and then the masses will want his head on a stick. He's not the answer and like you say, we need players who can contribute with immediate effect if we are to be serious promotion contenders. If we are happy finishing 12th/13th again then maybe he's got a place. Bit harsh, he’s a young kid who was uprooted abroad, clearly struggled in the environment and lost confidence which is blatantly obvious since he joined us. However, credit to him today for fronting up and just maybe he could have a good end to the season. If he does, we should try to get him back next season Maybe I'm being harsh but in the cameos I've seen him prior to today he's looked total dross. Let's see how he gets on in these final couple of games then make a decision.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 24, 2021 22:48:17 GMT
Bit harsh, he’s a young kid who was uprooted abroad, clearly struggled in the environment and lost confidence which is blatantly obvious since he joined us. However, credit to him today for fronting up and just maybe he could have a good end to the season. If he does, we should try to get him back next season Maybe I'm being harsh but in the cameos I've seen him prior to today he's looked total dross. Let's see how he gets on in these final couple of games then make a decision. Exactly, cameos. It’s worth playing him for the rest of the season to find out. He can’t be that bad bearing in mind the clubs he’s been at so far, sometimes something just clicks.
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 24, 2021 22:55:22 GMT
I'd like to see what he can do alongside Fletcher in a 2 Fletcher ???!!!!! Are we seriously considering Fletcher as out great white hope for next season ??!!! Spends three times the amount of time in the infirmary than on the field. Will he get any younger and any fitter next year ??!!!
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Post by bgreen13 on Apr 24, 2021 23:28:04 GMT
He's not shown anywhere near enough.
If he's cheap as chips then maybe but I'd think we'll be looking elsewhere.
Clarke looked like he could be good for another season though.
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