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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 23, 2021 20:16:13 GMT
How much to break even due to FFP? £1.5M?  |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 23, 2021 20:57:11 GMT
How much to break even due to FFP? £1.5M? Little bit less but about right. Also depends if his value was one of those losses we've been able to write down due to covid. In which case just getting his wages off the bank is a result. |
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Post by liathroid on Apr 23, 2021 20:58:28 GMT
we need to get as much as we can
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Post by yyy on Apr 23, 2021 21:01:10 GMT
Happy to see him off the wage bill, I don't think he's that good, Collins & Souttar are the future
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2021 21:02:36 GMT
Just a pretty vague statement from the manager, not a money man - but hopefully they do take him for a fee. But they probably know if they play hardball, we can't afford to have his wages on the payroll so will be forced to loan him out again for his final year if it comes to it Signed a 5-yr deal for 7m in 2017 - so looks like just short of 1.5 to break even on the books. Don't know if that's realistic for a them if they're going to have to give him a decent wage too www.transfermarkt.co.uk/az-alkmaar/transferrekorde/verein/1090That'd be a big fee by their standards |
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Post by Gob Bluth on Apr 23, 2021 22:09:08 GMT
Considering the state we’re in, simply getting another loan would be good. It would hopefully free up some time to focus on finding some desperate clubs to take the other idiots that will no doubt be back in the summer.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 23, 2021 23:01:59 GMT
I'd rather we get rid of Chester and Baath and keep Bruno.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 24, 2021 5:03:28 GMT
Bruno's more than good enough to play a part if he wants to- far better player than Batth, Chester or Lindsay.
However, he doesn't want to be here and is probably earning a high wage. Can't see anyone buying him for the sort of fee we'd need to get. These bloody contracts are crippling us.
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Post by wilcopotter on Apr 24, 2021 5:16:02 GMT
Bruno's more than good enough to play a part if he wants to- far better player than Batth, Chester or Lindsay. However, he doesn't want to be here and is probably earning a high wage. Can't see anyone buying him for the sort of fee we'd need to get. These bloody contracts are crippling us. [br Doesn’t want to be here. This is the bit the irritates me, we have a few players here better than the ones we currently have on the pitch, that would probably see us nearer the top 6 if they applied themselves , who have been happy to have signed up on big money that now don’t want to be here. As true professionals they should either apply themselves professionally and perform or, to echo a phrase from less PC snowflake times, “if they don’t like it so much, they should f@ck off”. But of course sadly, it won’t happen like that. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 24, 2021 6:09:51 GMT
Glad to see him try his hand at football after a long boxing career
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Post by dingdongbell on Apr 24, 2021 6:22:35 GMT
Bruno's more than good enough to play a part if he wants to- far better player than Batth, Chester or Lindsay. However, he doesn't want to be here and is probably earning a high wage. Can't see anyone buying him for the sort of fee we'd need to get. These bloody contracts are crippling us. [br Doesn’t want to be here. This is the bit the irritates me, we have a few players here better than the ones we currently have on the pitch, that would probably see us nearer the top 6 if they applied themselves , who have been happy to have signed up on big money that now don’t want to be here. As true professionals they should either apply themselves professionally and perform or, to echo a phrase from less PC snowflake times, “if they don’t like it so much, they should f@ck off”. But of course sadly, it won’t happen like that. Totally agree with what you are saying , my only problem is what are the reasons for them not wanting to be here . Surely part of a managers job is to make players feel welcome and settled , or if not the manager then the club employs enough staff to deal with these issues HR for instance , is it just coincidence that most of the bomb squad were foreign nationals ?. Surely they couldn’t all be bad eggs could they ?. |
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Post by musik on Apr 24, 2021 6:34:41 GMT
I had forgotten all about him. Why send out players on loan if we need them?
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 24, 2021 6:37:52 GMT
Perhaps these foreign players don’t want to be here as they are not too impressed by our dinosaur British managers and their (ahem) football...
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 24, 2021 6:54:15 GMT
I think AZ can take second place this season, will that give them a CL spot? If so they could probably afford that? Are we allowed to loan out players in the final year of their contract? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 7:34:58 GMT
[br Doesn’t want to be here. This is the bit the irritates me, we have a few players here better than the ones we currently have on the pitch, that would probably see us nearer the top 6 if they applied themselves , who have been happy to have signed up on big money that now don’t want to be here. As true professionals they should either apply themselves professionally and perform or, to echo a phrase from less PC snowflake times, “if they don’t like it so much, they should f@ck off”. But of course sadly, it won’t happen like that. Totally agree with what you are saying , my only problem is what are the reasons for them not wanting to be here . Surely part of a managers job is to make players feel welcome and settled , or if not the manager then the club employs enough staff to deal with these issues HR for instance , is it just coincidence that most of the bomb squad were foreign nationals ?. Surely they couldn’t all be bad eggs could they ?. This is not about MON, Jones or Rowett. Bruno did not want to be here the minute we were relegated, but unlike some others in bomb squad, he did agree to play on till an appropriate offer came in. It never came, but the loan to AZ was the naked maid appropriate enough if the loan led to a transfer. Unlike the other 9 loans that are going nowhere, it looks as if this one might, but until the two clubs actually talk money we won't know how realistic it is. My guess is that after long talks it will all come down to another loan and then next year we are a problem short. I don't think the majority of the bomb squad are bad eggs. Some were but they were let go: Berahino (who has an English passport, so there goes your theory) and Imbula. The others' contractual situations have for sure made things difficult for the club, but it hasn't been great for them either. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 24, 2021 8:08:39 GMT
Bruno is rubbish.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2021 8:34:04 GMT
Bruno's more than good enough to play a part if he wants to- far better player than Batth, Chester or Lindsay. However, he doesn't want to be here and is probably earning a high wage. Can't see anyone buying him for the sort of fee we'd need to get. These bloody contracts are crippling us. Yet the man who "negotiated" these contracts is still sliding into his job everyday it's sickening. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2021 8:43:29 GMT
Bruno's more than good enough to play a part if he wants to- far better player than Batth, Chester or Lindsay. However, he doesn't want to be here and is probably earning a high wage. Can't see anyone buying him for the sort of fee we'd need to get. These bloody contracts are crippling us. [br Doesn’t want to be here. This is the bit the irritates me, we have a few players here better than the ones we currently have on the pitch, that would probably see us nearer the top 6 if they applied themselves , who have been happy to have signed up on big money that now don’t want to be here. As true professionals they should either apply themselves professionally and perform or, to echo a phrase from less PC snowflake times, “if they don’t like it so much, they should f@ck off”. But of course sadly, it won’t happen like that. I agree with the sentiment but think it’s harsh in this case. He’s wanted to play a higher level since we got relegated but stuck around and applied himself and had the right pulled from under his feet on some moves too. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 24, 2021 8:54:46 GMT
Bruno's more than good enough to play a part if he wants to- far better player than Batth, Chester or Lindsay. However, he doesn't want to be here and is probably earning a high wage. Can't see anyone buying him for the sort of fee we'd need to get. These bloody contracts are crippling us. Yet the man who "negotiated" these contracts is still sliding into his job everyday it's sickening. Yes, when we were in the Prem, it's not a surprise they are higher wages than most in the Champ is it. If its the leagnth that you have a prob with we aren't/weren't the only team giving longer contracts as its spreds the costs etc over few years (I'm sure someone can better explain that than me), given what that we aren't the only ones to do it I'm guessing that it must been a possitive thing for the club. |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2021 9:01:53 GMT
Yet the man who "negotiated" these contracts is still sliding into his job everyday it's sickening. Yes, when we were in the Prem, it's not a surprise they are higher wages than most in the Champ is it. If its the leagnth that you have a prob with we aren't/weren't the only team giving longer contracts as its spreds the costs etc over few years (I'm sure someone can better explain that than me), given what that we aren't the only ones to do it I'm guessing that it must been a possitive thing for the club. Yeh really positive  pity is has led to us being hamstrung by FFP, £90m loss and counting  |
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Post by wilcopotter on Apr 24, 2021 9:44:06 GMT
[br Doesn’t want to be here. This is the bit the irritates me, we have a few players here better than the ones we currently have on the pitch, that would probably see us nearer the top 6 if they applied themselves , who have been happy to have signed up on big money that now don’t want to be here. As true professionals they should either apply themselves professionally and perform or, to echo a phrase from less PC snowflake times, “if they don’t like it so much, they should f@ck off”. But of course sadly, it won’t happen like that. I agree with the sentiment but think it’s harsh in this case. He’s wanted to play a higher level since we got relegated but stuck around and applied himself and had the right pulled from under his feet on some moves too. Maybe, but here’s my analogy. I work for Aldi on £10 an hour and was quite happy to do so but all of a sudden I don’t like the new supervisor, the decor is drab and they build a new Lidl buy my house where my mates work, but only pay £6 an hour. So I go to my manager and tell him this and ask him to make up the £4 an hour difference because I’m not committed to Aldi anymore and feel trapped and want to go to the new Lidl store. I think his reply would probably be somewhere near my sentiment of do your job or.....,if you don’t like it f.....off. Maybe I’m being a bit too simplistic about this🤔 |
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Post by nonameface on Apr 24, 2021 10:10:44 GMT
I agree with the sentiment but think it’s harsh in this case. He’s wanted to play a higher level since we got relegated but stuck around and applied himself and had the right pulled from under his feet on some moves too. Maybe, but here’s my analogy. I work for Aldi on £10 an hour and was quite happy to do so but all of a sudden I don’t like the new supervisor, the decor is drab and they build a new Lidl buy my house where my mates work, but only pay £6 an hour. So I go to my manager and tell him this and ask him to make up the £4 an hour difference because I’m not committed to Aldi anymore and feel trapped and want to go to the new Lidl store. I think his reply would probably be somewhere near my sentiment of do your job or.....,if you don’t like it f.....off. Maybe I’m being a bit too simplistic about this🤔 Footballers contracts are for fixed periods, they have a right to earn all the money from their contact. At our level you are dealing with supposedly elite talent. Typical employment is pretty much a contract for as long as your notice period. Typically dealing with those who aren't elite. Its a complete ying and yang situation. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 24, 2021 10:15:21 GMT
Yes, when we were in the Prem, it's not a surprise they are higher wages than most in the Champ is it. If its the leagnth that you have a prob with we aren't/weren't the only team giving longer contracts as its spreds the costs etc over few years (I'm sure someone can better explain that than me), given what that we aren't the only ones to do it I'm guessing that it must been a possitive thing for the club. Yeh really positive pity is has led to us being hamstrung by FFP, £90m loss and counting Yes I agree, it is a shame, but the club backed their man and he fucked it up. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2021 10:28:53 GMT
I agree with the sentiment but think it’s harsh in this case. He’s wanted to play a higher level since we got relegated but stuck around and applied himself and had the right pulled from under his feet on some moves too. Maybe, but here’s my analogy. I work for Aldi on £10 an hour and was quite happy to do so but all of a sudden I don’t like the new supervisor, the decor is drab and they build a new Lidl buy my house where my mates work, but only pay £6 an hour. So I go to my manager and tell him this and ask him to make up the £4 an hour difference because I’m not committed to Aldi anymore and feel trapped and want to go to the new Lidl store. I think his reply would probably be somewhere near my sentiment of do your job or.....,if you don’t like it f.....off. Maybe I’m being a bit too simplistic about this🤔 You are correct but football doesn’t work like that. Your job at Aldi or Lidl is far more secure than being a professional footballer even on so much less money. You theoretically if you’re on a permanent contract could work there until you’re 80. Footballers know that by the time they’re 30-32 they’re past their sell by date and only going to less and then in a few years be left jobless. So you have to accrue that wealth. I know poor them right!? But that’s what and why it is. |
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Post by fulagoals on Apr 24, 2021 10:33:13 GMT
I agree with the sentiment but think it’s harsh in this case. He’s wanted to play a higher level since we got relegated but stuck around and applied himself and had the right pulled from under his feet on some moves too. Maybe, but here’s my analogy. I work for Aldi on £10 an hour and was quite happy to do so but all of a sudden I don’t like the new supervisor, the decor is drab and they build a new Lidl buy my house where my mates work, but only pay £6 an hour. So I go to my manager and tell him this and ask him to make up the £4 an hour difference because I’m not committed to Aldi anymore and feel trapped and want to go to the new Lidl store. I think his reply would probably be somewhere near my sentiment of do your job or.....,if you don’t like it f.....off. Maybe I’m being a bit too simplistic about this🤔 Hold on, am I being a bit thick. You’re already on £10/hr at Aldi so your manager ‘making up’ another £4 puts you on £14/hr. It’s Lidl paying £6 not Aldi isn’t it? 🤔 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 12:18:43 GMT
Bruno's more than good enough to play a part if he wants to- far better player than Batth, Chester or Lindsay. However, he doesn't want to be here and is probably earning a high wage. Can't see anyone buying him for the sort of fee we'd need to get. These bloody contracts are crippling us. Yet the man who "negotiated" these contracts is still sliding into his job everyday it's sickening. You must send in a loc to the board of scfc. They will see it as a minor detail and will refer it to the non-family member, Mr Scholes Esq. Then what happens? |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2021 12:39:03 GMT
Yet the man who "negotiated" these contracts is still sliding into his job everyday it's sickening. You must send in a loc to the board of scfc. They will see it as a minor detail and will refer it to the non-family member, Mr Scholes Esq. Then what happens? If they see it as a minor detail it's no surprise we are is such a fcuking mess  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 13:13:25 GMT
You must send in a loc to the board of scfc. They will see it as a minor detail and will refer it to the non-family member, Mr Scholes Esq. Then what happens? If they see it as a minor detail it's no surprise we are is such a fcuking mess They most likely see your complaint as a minor detail, not the business side of things. I fact they will see it as less than minor... |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 24, 2021 13:18:19 GMT
I agree with the sentiment but think it’s harsh in this case. He’s wanted to play a higher level since we got relegated but stuck around and applied himself and had the right pulled from under his feet on some moves too. Maybe, but here’s my analogy. I work for Aldi on £10 an hour and was quite happy to do so but all of a sudden I don’t like the new supervisor, the decor is drab and they build a new Lidl buy my house where my mates work, but only pay £6 an hour. So I go to my manager and tell him this and ask him to make up the £4 an hour difference because I’m not committed to Aldi anymore and feel trapped and want to go to the new Lidl store. I think his reply would probably be somewhere near my sentiment of do your job or.....,if you don’t like it f.....off. Maybe I’m being a bit too simplistic about this🤔 Don't worry, Lidl pay the same now, you're freeeeee  |
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Post by hardcastle on Apr 24, 2021 17:52:23 GMT
How can Alkmaar (decent side though they might be) possibly match the kind of salary that we agreed to pay Bruno three or four years ago?
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pity is has led to us being hamstrung by FFP, £90m loss and counting 
