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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 21, 2021 21:15:29 GMT
He's the one who would tempt me to part ways. But again, and this goes back to Hughes, who is coming in to do a better job? Agree. If we could get Wilder then it’s worth the change but unfortunately don’t think it’s realistic right now. Just out of interest why do people think Wilder would get a tune out of this lot? His Sheff Utd team this season have been slow and plodding beyond belief and the same accusations of stubbornness and having no plan B have been thrown at him like MON.....
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 21, 2021 21:17:03 GMT
Fucking coward pretty much blaming the youngsters for the defeat! Fuck off What has he said? I mean the young defender was sadly very poor as was Norton, but the majority of that team were poor today. I don't think he was poor to be honest, a couple of mistakes positionally but not poor per se. He only mentioned by name Taylor and Norton as having poor games. Said that the only reason Taylor is in the team is because we are so thin on numbers (maybe true but you don't say that publicly IMO) and said Norton struggled to make an impact, but refused to say that it was because he wasn't given a chance to make an impact.
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Post by telfordstokie on Apr 21, 2021 21:18:47 GMT
Agree. If we could get Wilder then it’s worth the change but unfortunately don’t think it’s realistic right now. Just out of interest why do people think Wilder would get a tune out of this lot? His Sheff Utd team this season have been slow and plodding beyond belief and the same accusations of stubbornness and having no plan B have been thrown at him like MON..... One terrible season this year but he had about 10 years plus of brilliant ones in a row with his various clubs before that.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Apr 21, 2021 21:18:47 GMT
Ludicrous to sack him now. Allow him till at least January The season died with Campbell's injury Last season and this was just survival I'll judge him on what he's does next season It's always a bad time to discuss after a loss Leave him till January like Hughes you mean far to late & the damage could be done which would be to late for anybody else to turn round.
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Post by a on Apr 21, 2021 21:19:45 GMT
What has he said? I mean the young defender was sadly very poor as was Norton, but the majority of that team were poor today. I don't think he was poor to be honest, a couple of mistakes positional but not poor per se. He only mentioned by name Taylor and Norton as having poor games. Said that the only reason Taylor is in the team is because we are so thin on numbers (maybe true but you don't say that publicly IMO) and said Norton struggled to make an impact, but refused to say that it was because he wasn't given a chance to make an impact. Harsh digging them out publicly if he has but hard to argue. They’re not ready yet as pretty much anyone can see and obviously wouldn’t be playing if the entire squad was fit.
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 21, 2021 21:20:59 GMT
I don't think he was poor to be honest, a couple of mistakes positional but not poor per se. He only mentioned by name Taylor and Norton as having poor games. Said that the only reason Taylor is in the team is because we are so thin on numbers (maybe true but you don't say that publicly IMO) and said Norton struggled to make an impact, but refused to say that it was because he wasn't given a chance to make an impact. Harsh digging them out publicly if he has but hard to argue. They’re not ready yet as pretty much anyone can see and obviously wouldn’t be playing if the entire squad was fit. I agree, but to publically say that a young lad is only there because he has no other choice, after coming on for his debut, is poor form
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 21, 2021 21:21:01 GMT
Just out of interest why do people think Wilder would get a tune out of this lot? His Sheff Utd team this season have been slow and plodding beyond belief and the same accusations of stubbornness and having no plan B have been thrown at him like MON..... One terrible season this year but he had about 10 years plus of brilliant ones in a row with his various clubs before that. Same as MON then albeit at international level....
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 21, 2021 21:21:35 GMT
Not saying it does. But again if we sack him who comes in and does better? The only one mentioned on here so far would be Wilder really, but that shouldn't mean we don't get rid, there's plenty of managers about, they just need to do their research on them, they have plenty of time if they start now ready for next season. I don't disagree... but only up to a point. 😬 It's the 'they' who are doing the research and responsible for the appointment that causes the head to hurt. Wilder would be a no-brainer, after that who are 'they' researching?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 21, 2021 21:22:02 GMT
Ludicrous to sack him now. Allow him till at least January The season died with Campbell's injury Last season and this was just survival I'll judge him on what he's does next season It's always a bad time to discuss after a loss Leave him till January like Hughes you mean far to late & the damage could be done which would be to late for anybody else to turn round. You think it was too late for Lambert to turn our seasons round? The bloke couldn’t buy a win and we still only went down by 3 points.....
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 21, 2021 21:23:35 GMT
What has he said? I mean the young defender was sadly very poor as was Norton, but the majority of that team were poor today. I don't think he was poor to be honest, a couple of mistakes positional but not poor per se. He only mentioned by name Taylor and Norton as having poor games. Said that the only reason Taylor is in the team is because we are so thin on numbers (maybe true but you don't say that publicly IMO) and said Norton struggled to make an impact, but refused to say that it was because he wasn't given a chance to make an impact. He said no such thing😄He said Taylor should have done better with the 1st goal and maybe the 3rd,he said Gunn should have done better for the 3rd.He also said he needs a loan next season similar to Souttar had. He said nothing about Norton until Ange asked about him making himself more available for the ball. If you’re going up slag him off(as per) at least get your facts right🙄
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 21, 2021 21:24:46 GMT
Luton above us, Millwall above us, Barnsley pissing all over us, fuck me, even Coventry could still finish above us. He has to be at some risk. Some are acting as if he's done this feeble mid table pish with Rotherham.
Fans in will be the acid test in the first few games next season, if we serve up the last three home games the pressure will really be on.
Fear of the future and lack of alternatives is never an excuse for not dealing with the present.
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Post by magwitch on Apr 21, 2021 21:24:55 GMT
Next manager of Stoke.....easy: Graham Potter. Should have been appointed after Hughes went.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 21, 2021 21:26:12 GMT
What has he said? I mean the young defender was sadly very poor as was Norton, but the majority of that team were poor today. I don't think he was poor to be honest, a couple of mistakes positionally but not poor per se. He only mentioned by name Taylor and Norton as having poor games. Said that the only reason Taylor is in the team is because we are so thin on numbers (maybe true but you don't say that publicly IMO) and said Norton struggled to make an impact, but refused to say that it was because he wasn't given a chance to make an impact. Did he really call Norton and Taylor out? If so I have no hesitation in calling him an absolute arsehole.
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Post by thehoof on Apr 21, 2021 21:26:48 GMT
Campbell, Fletcher for chunks, Fox, Collins, Clucas, Clarke. Not making excuses but we have suffered and sadly the back up just isn't good enough. Campbell is a fair call- we knew what we’d get with Fletcher, okay hold up player, not a particularly good finisher and injury prone, so I don’t think you can call his injuries as being unexpected.RND is a better left back than Fox ( my opinion), Collins was constantly being played out of position so again, I don’t think his injury matters so long as gets fit for next season and plays Centre Half, Clucas was summed up by tonight - a screaming goal, but otherwise was totally anonymous and Clarke- not our player and not picked regularly at all. MO’n has been Nath like in chopping and changing, mental substitution s, and welding himself to a formation that we don’t appear to have the players to make work. He has inherited a ton of crap, and probably staying out of trouble is as well as could be expected with an ageing, blood sucking squad; if Doughty and Campbell come back without being the players we hope they will be, next year will be a repeat of this.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 21, 2021 21:31:42 GMT
I don't think he was poor to be honest, a couple of mistakes positionally but not poor per se. He only mentioned by name Taylor and Norton as having poor games. Said that the only reason Taylor is in the team is because we are so thin on numbers (maybe true but you don't say that publicly IMO) and said Norton struggled to make an impact, but refused to say that it was because he wasn't given a chance to make an impact. Did he really call Norton and Taylor out? If so I have no hesitation in calling him an absolute arsehole. Have a listen and make your own mind up Momo
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Post by thehoof on Apr 21, 2021 21:33:45 GMT
I don't think he was poor to be honest, a couple of mistakes positional but not poor per se. He only mentioned by name Taylor and Norton as having poor games. Said that the only reason Taylor is in the team is because we are so thin on numbers (maybe true but you don't say that publicly IMO) and said Norton struggled to make an impact, but refused to say that it was because he wasn't given a chance to make an impact. Harsh digging them out publicly if he has but hard to argue. They’re not ready yet as pretty much anyone can see and obviously wouldn’t be playing if the entire squad was fit. Vokes has been in the squad all season, Mikel , Allen Danny Batth, Thompson, McClean up until his injury, Smith, Clucas from the moment he’s been fit -Angus Gunn- tell me which of these have actually had a good season? More often than not they’ve been poor; tonight offside man missed a sitter while Gunn made a decent impression of the “armless” man- big , brave ONeill didn’t mention them I suppose? I think if he dug out Norton and Taylor only, that for me would be it with him.
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Post by jhstoke91 on Apr 21, 2021 21:34:31 GMT
No matter if we stick with O'Neil or bring in someone else they are stuck with this absolute shower of a squad until next summer. Get used to it, unless we find some club stupid enough to take these players off us we are crippled by this due to ffp. I do believe with a fit Campbell we would be at least 10 points better off. Without him we are devoid of any attacking threat and ingenuity. Our hopes for next season is to rely on Campbell and Doughty coming good (big ask). IMO we stick with O'Neil unless things continue to slide for the above reasons. I would go for Chris wilder as my no.1 target or take a punt on a foreign manager like Barnsley and Norwich have done in the past.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 21, 2021 21:35:07 GMT
Next manager of Stoke.....easy: Graham Potter. Should have been appointed after Hughes went. I like Potter, and he should count his lucky stars we didn’t consider him for the role as this squad would have crippled him. They have 34 points from 32 games, they’ve played well up to the final third but they’re very lucky there’s 3 really poor teams at the bottom of the league this season......
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 21, 2021 21:35:18 GMT
Ludicrous to sack him now. Allow him till at least January The season died with Campbell's injury Last season and this was just survival I'll judge him on what he's does next season It's always a bad time to discuss after a loss Leave him till January like Hughes you mean far to late & the damage could be done which would be to late for anybody else to turn round. Give him 10 games next season, if things haven't changed, fuck him off.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 21, 2021 21:37:35 GMT
Surprising how some put their own spin on what MON “actually” said and the rationale behind his thinking
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Post by Sfance on Apr 21, 2021 21:38:18 GMT
Holden must be wondering why he drank those last two pints before he agreed to come in. I imagine he’s searching his contract for a get-out-of-jail free clause.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 21, 2021 21:44:32 GMT
It’s not about tonight though is it, it’s been months with lots of players It has but but he’s not going to be sacked. I honestly think we need to relax, forget about this season and move on. Yea I get that
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 21, 2021 21:45:37 GMT
Did he really call Norton and Taylor out? If so I have no hesitation in calling him an absolute arsehole. Have a listen and make your own mind up Momo Just listened. Utterly disgraceful interviews. His cowardice in not calling out senior pros and rounding on youngsters is almost beyond contempt
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 21, 2021 21:45:55 GMT
Agree. If we could get Wilder then it’s worth the change but unfortunately don’t think it’s realistic right now. Just out of interest why do people think Wilder would get a tune out of this lot? His Sheff Utd team this season have been slow and plodding beyond belief and the same accusations of stubbornness and having no plan B have been thrown at him like MON..... Hasn't he spent tens of millions to produce one of the worst teams in PL history? He should fit right in at the B365.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 21, 2021 21:47:02 GMT
Have a listen and make your own mind up Momo Just listened. Utterly disgraceful interviews. His cowardice in not calling out senior pros and rounding on youngsters is almost beyond contempt Over dramatic.....
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 21, 2021 21:48:26 GMT
Have a listen and make your own mind up Momo Just listened. Utterly disgraceful interviews. His cowardice in not calling out senior pros and rounding on youngsters is almost beyond contempt Very disappointed that he named and shamed Connor Taylor repeatedly but conveniently forgot Tommy Smiths name when talking about sheparding a ball out for a throw in that they scored from. It's a recurring theme from this manager.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 21, 2021 21:49:47 GMT
Have a listen and make your own mind up Momo Just listened. Utterly disgraceful interviews. His cowardice in not calling out senior pros and rounding on youngsters is almost beyond contempt Sorry mate I don’t agree,he quite rightly for me said Brown and Norton didn’t get into the game 1st half which was true and the 2 fantastic crosses that went in one of them should have been on the end of one of them in my opinion. As for Taylor I thought he played well but along with Gunn was poor the 3rd goal.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 21, 2021 21:51:41 GMT
Have a listen and make your own mind up Momo Just listened. Utterly disgraceful interviews. His cowardice in not calling out senior pros and rounding on youngsters is almost beyond contempt I just don't know how you come to that conclusion tbh Rounding on youngsters!!!...I don't get that at all. Must be a different interview. He actually said the senior players have to take more responsibility in the interview I listened to.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 21, 2021 21:55:09 GMT
Have a listen and make your own mind up Momo Just listened. Utterly disgraceful interviews. His cowardice in not calling out senior pros and rounding on youngsters is almost beyond contempt Come on momo. Listen to it again. 1. He didn’t “round” on the youngsters. He was being protective of them by saying theres a massive difference between U23’s and the Championship, especially the physicality and said they’d benefit from loans as Souttar has. 2. Without naming names of the senior players he said he’s seen enough and knows what changes he needs to make and who has a future at the club.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 21, 2021 21:55:29 GMT
If we’re going to get rid at the end of the season(which I believe he should get till Christmas) I think the only route we may go down is a young up and coming British manager who’s just quit playing, maybe they are more equipped to get a tune out of young players. I’m thinking the likes of Scott Parker, Lampard etc. Not them obviously but they are examples. I think the days of experienced managers and their methods are nearly gone.
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