How many ST do they expect to sell wacthing shite like that?

[AlbertTatlock]

With the distinct possibility that we'll be able to buy a ST for season 21/22, just how many people do they think will enticed back if all we have to look forward to is the wank football we've had to endure for the last 8 months?

5-4-1 at home against a piss poor Preston side who would have trouble scoring if they played on their own. What happened to the 4-3-3 MON supposedly preferred, they system he played when he took over and we started to look like a proper team again.

Gouranga.

[Royal Donut]

Well I'm going get one, just to give them a big kick up the arsenal 😀

[theonlooker]

It's not just the football.

If passports are required, if there is a huge change in the matchday experience and if only partial crowds are let back in, it could have a huge domino effect.

Many people would go back tomorrow if the experience was exactly the same. However, many won't pay 350+ a year to have to wave a paper passport to gain access 3 hours before kick off and to sit 3 miles away from their mates to sit and watch football like we have done this season.

The club will lose thousands overnight if that is the case.

[heworksardtho]

Apr 17, 2021 20:49:13 GMT theonlooker said:

It's not just the football.

If passports are required, if there is a huge change in the matchday experience and if only partial crowds are let back in, it could have a huge domino effect.

Many people would go back tomorrow if the experience was exactly the same. However, many won't pay 350+ a year to have to wave a paper passport to gain access 3 hours before kick off and to sit 3 miles away from their mates to sit and watch football like we have done this season.

The club will lose thousands overnight if that is the case.

Be like match day at Vale Park

[Boothen]

Don't forget, people pay money to get tied up and then abused, beaten and whipped. Given that fact it's safe to assume that there will always be people willing to pay to watch such turgid, negative football.

[thehoof]

Apr 17, 2021 21:27:15 GMT Boothen said:

Don't forget, people pay money to get tied up and then abused, beaten and whipped. Given that fact it's safe to assume that there will always be people willing to pay to watch such turgid, negative football.

They already have ST’s at Stoke- but I reckon at least 50% won’t renew.
It’s a release from the drudgery of the week, but when it is actually part of the drudgery, there are better things to spend money and time on- some of which could well be entertaining.

[crouchpotato1]

What the hell is up with some of our fans🙄
We’ve not been to a game since March 7th last year and I would imagine the majority cant wait to get back.Yes this season has been hard work but we’ve had far worse times over the past years before the premier league days and supporters turned up.

[Pugsley]

The twelfth man eh?

[prestwichpotter]

Too right. I’m not renewing until we get back in the Premier League......

[yyy]

A lot of the time watching the game this season I've been asleep for the second half, a season ticket for that? No chance.

Hopefully the manager can get what he needs this summer to add some excitement

[mickstupp]

The Coates family have kept this club alive over the last 12 months. Not only by pumping in millions to cover the cost of no match day income, but also by ensuring no redundancies for club employees and no reliance on government handouts through the furlough scheme.

The reward for their actions? We have “fans” turning their backs on the club they claim to support.

And why? Because we’ve finished mid table....

[Gods]

I doubt what is going on now will have much bearing on how well we may or may not go next season.

We are in essence fulfilling 8 or 10 end of season friendlies in front of no one at all.

[peterthornesboots]

Apr 17, 2021 20:49:13 GMT theonlooker said:

It's not just the football.

If passports are required, if there is a huge change in the matchday experience and if only partial crowds are let back in, it could have a huge domino effect.

Many people would go back tomorrow if the experience was exactly the same. However, many won't pay 350+ a year to have to wave a paper passport to gain access 3 hours before kick off and to sit 3 miles away from their mates to sit and watch football like we have done this season.

The club will lose thousands overnight if that is the case.

This.

I would renew my season ticket in an instant and everyone I know has said the same.

The quality of the football doesn't bother me in the slightest. It is about the routine. It is about being around mates. It is about being part of my club.

However, the idea of passports, not being able to sit near people, not being able to sing ... these are the things that would make me not want to renew.

Sadly, I can't see it being a 'normal' matchday experience when we return (hopefully) next season.

[potterburt]

Oh what a fickle sentiment. After a oh so troublesome year where people have been desperate for any connection to any community....

If you value your season ticket price based on what you warrant as to the entertainment level on the pitch then maybe that is loosing sight in the reason to get a season ticket?

If ya just wanna watch when it’s good then maybe just pay at the turnstile for the odd few games when it’s going good. -then you don’t have to sit there and try and support your club when it’s not top notch entertainment eh?!?

Just wonder what you think about the quality of football to ticket price ratio compared to the Man City’s / Real’s & Bayer’s - I hope you’ve been getting enough bang for your buck all this time 😔

[mickstupp]

Apr 17, 2021 21:44:28 GMT Pugsley said:

The twelfth man eh?

One of the biggest myths in English football

[generationex]

He died after the campaign to remove Tony Pulis was successful!

[ohbottom]

Apr 17, 2021 21:27:15 GMT Boothen said:

Don't forget, people pay money to get tied up and then abused, beaten and whipped.

Out of interest, where do you go to get this service? Asking for a friend....

[wilcopotter]

Season tickets sales will probably be down for a few reasons.
Some people have lost their lives, or lost friends they used to attend with so may not want come back.
Some may be to ill to attend since the last fans allowed home game.
Some people have lost their jobs so can’t afford it.
Some people will have got out the habit and found new things to do.
Some people will have just genuinely fell out of love with the club and won’t want to come - they may not feel comfortable with or to admit that but that’s their business.
If ifollow continues some may prefer to watch at home, especially if they travel and just come to the odd game.
And yes, some will be put off by the football on offer, but we’ve had worse.
I’d estimate ST will be below 12k.
Personally, I will buy one, but that’s because I’m lucky enough not to be in some of the reasons I’ve mentioned above and I just like going to the games.
Bottom line - It’s up to the individual person really and what they’re happy with. I think to try and peddle probably significant lower ST sales reasons on the fact we are now and foreseeably a mid table non- entertaining football club, with a manager that “shats himself” is a bit harsh.

[theonlooker]

Apr 17, 2021 22:19:23 GMT peterthornesboots said:

Apr 17, 2021 20:49:13 GMT theonlooker said:

It's not just the football.

If passports are required, if there is a huge change in the matchday experience and if only partial crowds are let back in, it could have a huge domino effect.

Many people would go back tomorrow if the experience was exactly the same. However, many won't pay 350+ a year to have to wave a paper passport to gain access 3 hours before kick off and to sit 3 miles away from their mates to sit and watch football like we have done this season.

The club will lose thousands overnight if that is the case.

This.

I would renew my season ticket in an instant and everyone I know has said the same.

The quality of the football doesn't bother me in the slightest. It is about the routine. It is about being around mates. It is about being part of my club.

However, the idea of passports, not being able to sit near people, not being able to sing ... these are the things that would make me not want to renew.

Sadly, I can't see it being a 'normal' matchday experience when we return (hopefully) next season.

That's pretty much where I'm at, but it extends way beyond football. I'm not partaking in this passport nonsense should it come into force for any mass gathering event.

I'm not anti vaccine and would happily take it yesterday if I could get one. I'd happily see the entire population get one.

However, that comes with an expectation from me that our lives are put back to normal the moment we are vaccinated, else what is the point of it all?

If I don't get a season ticket for those reasons it will be the first season since 89' where I haven't had one, but it will be a stand well worth making for me.

Reading around various forms of social media and football forums, it seems I won't be alone in that.

[thehoof]

Apr 17, 2021 22:24:29 GMT potterburt said:

Oh what a fickle sentiment. After a oh so troublesome year where people have been desperate for any connection to any community....

If you value your season ticket price based on what you warrant as to the entertainment level on the pitch then maybe that is loosing sight in the reason to get a season ticket?

If ya just wanna watch when it’s good then maybe just pay at the turnstile for the odd few games when it’s going good. -then you don’t have to sit there and try and support your club when it’s not top notch entertainment eh?!?

Just wonder what you think about the quality of football to ticket price ratio compared to the Man City’s / Real’s & Bayer’s - I hope you’ve been getting enough bang for your buck all this time 😔 [/
It’s not really about that is it?
Half the people playing their “ holier than thou” supporters card actually place the football down the list of why they go- they go to “ enjoy the meeting up with mates, have a few pints, etc etc..”
Surprisingly enough those are things that you can do without sitting in a football stadium.
The other thing I’ve noticed is that Stoke must have the best average attendance of any side in English football as everyone appears to have been a season ticket holder for at least 30 years.
It’s not a badge of honour to say “ I renew whatever, it’s in my blood”, it’s a choice.
The one thing that this pandemic has shown is that there are far more important things to deal with than a football match - let people make their own decisions and respect them.
For every “turncoat, fair weather fan” there is always a Chinese sheep !

[danceswithclams]

Apr 18, 2021 5:36:26 GMT wilcopotter said:

Season tickets sales will probably be down for a few reasons.
Some people have lost their lives, or lost friends they used to attend with so may not want come back.

[leesandfordstoupe]

Apr 17, 2021 22:06:52 GMT mickstupp said:

The Coates family have kept this club alive over the last 12 months. Not only by pumping in millions to cover the cost of no match day income, but also by ensuring no redundancies for club employees and no reliance on government handouts through the furlough scheme.

The reward for their actions? We have “fans” turning their backs on the club they claim to support.

And why? Because we’ve finished mid table....

It’s nothing to do with where we’ve finished or will finish. football is turgid boring shite win lose or draw.

[leesandfordstoupe]

Apr 18, 2021 6:33:59 GMT theonlooker said:

Apr 17, 2021 22:19:23 GMT peterthornesboots said:

This.

I would renew my season ticket in an instant and everyone I know has said the same.

The quality of the football doesn't bother me in the slightest. It is about the routine. It is about being around mates. It is about being part of my club.

However, the idea of passports, not being able to sit near people, not being able to sing ... these are the things that would make me not want to renew.

Sadly, I can't see it being a 'normal' matchday experience when we return (hopefully) next season.

That's pretty much where I'm at, but it extends way beyond football. I'm not partaking in this passport nonsense should it come into force for any mass gathering event.

I'm not anti vaccine and would happily take it yesterday if I could get one. I'd happily see the entire population get one.

However, that comes with an expectation from me that our lives are put back to normal the moment we are vaccinated, else what is the point of it all?

If I don't get a season ticket for those reasons it will be the first season since 89' where I haven't had one, but it will be a stand well worth making for me.

Reading around various forms of social media and football forums, it seems I won't be alone in that.

I’m not a nutty anti Vaxxer that goes around peddling crackpot ideas to others but have declined vaccines for many years as a personal choice with no consequences in unrelated matters. Despite this I took the first vaccine because I could not wait to get rid of the ridiculous restrictions the government have placed on my life. What a mug I was. Restrictions still crippling life with no immediate prospect of them being removed and people allowed to make their own choices despite the massive uptake of vaccinations.

[Northy]

Apr 18, 2021 7:52:16 GMT leesandfordstoupe said:

Apr 18, 2021 6:33:59 GMT theonlooker said:

That's pretty much where I'm at, but it extends way beyond football. I'm not partaking in this passport nonsense should it come into force for any mass gathering event.

I'm not anti vaccine and would happily take it yesterday if I could get one. I'd happily see the entire population get one.

However, that comes with an expectation from me that our lives are put back to normal the moment we are vaccinated, else what is the point of it all?

If I don't get a season ticket for those reasons it will be the first season since 89' where I haven't had one, but it will be a stand well worth making for me.

Reading around various forms of social media and football forums, it seems I won't be alone in that.

I’m not a nutty anti Vaxxer that goes around peddling crackpot ideas to others but have declined vaccines for many years as a personal choice with no consequences in unrelated matters. Despite this I took the first vaccine because I could not wait to get rid of the ridiculous restrictions the government have placed on my life. What a mug I was. Restrictions still crippling life with no immediate prospect of them being removed and people allowed to make their own choices despite the massive uptake of vaccinations.

Shit, when did I miss the overturn of the restrictions being lifted timetable, I'm sure I was at the pub on Friday afternoon and have got tomorrow off to go to Chester shopping

[boothenender]

ST sales will plummet at almost every club in England.
People have now discovered new things to do on a Saturday PM.
Going to watch the lads play was a regular past time for 1000's of people up and down the Country, C19 has shown us that there are nicer and more pleasant ways to spend our " down time".
Also we can still get our footy fix via online live viewing.
I do fear for the future for all spectator sport all around the World.
Governments all over the Earth are going to have to implement tougher C19 rules and regulations to try to prevent catastrophic amount of deaths due to this shifting and evolving disease.
Don't think that just because Braindead Boris says that we can attend the footy or go to the Pub that we are now safe.
Most Countries have blow all of their cash trying to control the spread and have failed miserably.
As we all take risks in every day life, crossing the road, flying etc, so it will be with watching sport in a Stadium filled with like minded people.
In the end it will be left to let herd imunity to weed out the weak from strong.
Your life, your choice...

[leesandfordstoupe]

Apr 18, 2021 8:02:07 GMT Northy said:

Apr 18, 2021 7:52:16 GMT leesandfordstoupe said:

I’m not a nutty anti Vaxxer that goes around peddling crackpot ideas to others but have declined vaccines for many years as a personal choice with no consequences in unrelated matters. Despite this I took the first vaccine because I could not wait to get rid of the ridiculous restrictions the government have placed on my life. What a mug I was. Restrictions still crippling life with no immediate prospect of them being removed and people allowed to make their own choices despite the massive uptake of vaccinations.

Shit, when did I miss the overturn of the restrictions being lifted timetable, I'm sure I was at the pub on Friday afternoon and have got tomorrow off to go to Chester shopping

Obviously very easily pleased. There should be no restrictions placed on vaccinated people.

[Northy]

Apr 18, 2021 8:49:51 GMT leesandfordstoupe said:

Apr 18, 2021 8:02:07 GMT Northy said:

Shit, when did I miss the overturn of the restrictions being lifted timetable, I'm sure I was at the pub on Friday afternoon and have got tomorrow off to go to Chester shopping

Obviously very easily pleased. There should be no restrictions placed on vaccinated people.

I've no idea what you mean about being easily pleased ?

[middleoftheboothen]

Apr 17, 2021 21:27:15 GMT Boothen said:

Don't forget, people pay money to get tied up and then abused, beaten and whipped. Given that fact it's safe to assume that there will always be people willing to pay to watch such turgid, negative football.

Speak for yourself boothen 😜

[mickstupp]

Apr 18, 2021 7:40:08 GMT leesandfordstoupe said:

Apr 17, 2021 22:06:52 GMT mickstupp said:

The Coates family have kept this club alive over the last 12 months. Not only by pumping in millions to cover the cost of no match day income, but also by ensuring no redundancies for club employees and no reliance on government handouts through the furlough scheme.

The reward for their actions? We have “fans” turning their backs on the club they claim to support.

And why? Because we’ve finished mid table....

It’s nothing to do with where we’ve finished or will finish. football is turgid boring shite win lose or draw.

The footballs been shit for 90% of the time I’ve been watching us. Obviously, I don’t give two flying fucks if you attend or not, please yourself.

[leesandfordstoupe]

Apr 18, 2021 9:37:14 GMT mickstupp said:

Apr 18, 2021 7:40:08 GMT leesandfordstoupe said:

It’s nothing to do with where we’ve finished or will finish. football is turgid boring shite win lose or draw.

The footballs been shit for 90% of the time I’ve been watching us. Obviously, I don’t give two flying fucks if you attend or not, please yourself.

Couldn’t agree more with your first sentence. So logically I wouldn’t but being as I nearly always have despite that fact I fear there’s little hope for me.