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Post by stokecitytalke on Apr 17, 2021 13:38:37 GMT
At least we can't get relegated now!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 17, 2021 13:39:27 GMT
Job done for MON.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Apr 17, 2021 13:52:28 GMT
Is that it then for this season can we all fuck off and not have to endure the fucking dross that's been dished up for the last 8 months any more? 10 years since we battered Bolton 5-0 at Wembley and this is what we're now reduced to playing for safety in a really mediocre Championship. Gouranga.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 17, 2021 15:12:24 GMT
Is that it then for this season can we all fuck off and not have to endure the fucking dross that's been dished up for the last 8 months any more? 10 years since we battered Bolton 5-0 at Wembley and this is what we're now reduced to playing for safety in a really mediocre Championship. Gouranga. Cue the same for years to come.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 15:35:34 GMT
Sadly , I think the plan for next season is to stay up
The club is run for the benefit of Tony scholes , John coates , Kevin wimmer , Ince , vokes , badou, Afobe etc ...none of whom play for us
This is a big problem for the team manager
In the circumstances , staying up is not a bad effort
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Post by franklin on Apr 17, 2021 15:45:33 GMT
Were definitely safe from any excitement thats for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 16:21:30 GMT
Is that it then for this season can we all fuck off and not have to endure the fucking dross that's been dished up for the last 8 months any more? 10 years since we battered Bolton 5-0 at Wembley and this is what we're now reduced to playing for safety in a really mediocre Championship. Gouranga. Not really. The damage was done years before, and we're still recovering. I've been listing all the mathematical facts from time to time, but it's all a joke really. At no point were we "playing for safety". We just weren't able to climb any higher, so at the same time we were never in with a chance of going up, although early season form was encouraging. We're just one of the mediocre championship reflected in the fact we're placed exactly middle of the league table (with Luton looking to steal past us). The disappointment is that as we carried momentum into this season and were doling positively we weren't able to build on that, but there's good reasons for that. Boring, but acceptable.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 17, 2021 16:44:39 GMT
Is that it then for this season can we all fuck off and not have to endure the fucking dross that's been dished up for the last 8 months any more? 10 years since we battered Bolton 5-0 at Wembley and this is what we're now reduced to playing for safety in a really mediocre Championship. Gouranga. Not really. The damage was done years before, and we're still recovering. I've been listing all the mathematical facts from time to time, but it's all a joke really. At no point were we "playing for safety". We just weren't able to climb any higher, so at the same time we were never in with a chance of going up, although early season form was encouraging. We're just one of the mediocre championship reflected in the fact we're placed exactly middle of the league table (with Luton looking to steal past us). The disappointment is that as we carried momentum into this season and were doling positively we weren't able to build on that, but there's good reasons for that. Boring, but acceptable. As I said at once Ty got injured, there went our chances for the playoffs!
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 17, 2021 17:05:23 GMT
Not really. The damage was done years before, and we're still recovering. I've been listing all the mathematical facts from time to time, but it's all a joke really. At no point were we "playing for safety". We just weren't able to climb any higher, so at the same time we were never in with a chance of going up, although early season form was encouraging. We're just one of the mediocre championship reflected in the fact we're placed exactly middle of the league table (with Luton looking to steal past us). The disappointment is that as we carried momentum into this season and were doling positively we weren't able to build on that, but there's good reasons for that. Boring, but acceptable. As I said at once Ty got injured, there went our chances for the playoffs! No club, going anywhere, can have one, single player that can make that much difference though surely?
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 17, 2021 17:26:06 GMT
As I said at once Ty got injured, there went our chances for the playoffs! No club, going anywhere, can have one, single player that can make that much difference though surely? You might be right, but I actually think we would have had 10-12 points more now with Ty on the pitch. When he got injured we were 1-0 up against Cardiff and we got a penalty, Ty would have scored and given us the 3 points. Vokes missed and gave Cardiff a boost instead! That would have been 3 points already, and I'm sure he would have won us several games after that.
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 17, 2021 17:35:12 GMT
No club, going anywhere, can have one, single player that can make that much difference though surely? You might be right, but I actually think we would have had 10-12 points more now with Ty on the pitch. When he got injured we were 1-0 up against Cardiff and we got a penalty, Ty would have scored and given us the 3 points. Vokes missed and gave Cardiff a boost instead! That would have been 3 points already, and I'm sure he would have won us several games after that. I take your point. I agree to an extent, but, who gets anywhere rewriting history? What if we get the penalty Tys fit and misses it?
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 17, 2021 17:40:41 GMT
You might be right, but I actually think we would have had 10-12 points more now with Ty on the pitch. When he got injured we were 1-0 up against Cardiff and we got a penalty, Ty would have scored and given us the 3 points. Vokes missed and gave Cardiff a boost instead! That would have been 3 points already, and I'm sure he would have won us several games after that. I take your point. I agree to an extent, but, who gets anywhere rewriting history? What if we get the penalty Tys fit and misses it? It's hard to show any kind of proof here, just a gut feeling you know!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 17:44:42 GMT
Not really. The damage was done years before, and we're still recovering. I've been listing all the mathematical facts from time to time, but it's all a joke really. At no point were we "playing for safety". We just weren't able to climb any higher, so at the same time we were never in with a chance of going up, although early season form was encouraging. We're just one of the mediocre championship reflected in the fact we're placed exactly middle of the league table (with Luton looking to steal past us). The disappointment is that as we carried momentum into this season and were doling positively we weren't able to build on that, but there's good reasons for that. Boring, but acceptable. As I said at once Ty got injured, there went our chances for the playoffs! It's too simplistic to say that one player's absence, and a young one at that, is the reason we're not doing better. He's just a perfect example of how absence makes the heart grow fonder. My guess that is that even with Ty in the team we would still have finished outside the top 6.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 17:49:41 GMT
You might be right, but I actually think we would have had 10-12 points more now with Ty on the pitch. When he got injured we were 1-0 up against Cardiff and we got a penalty, Ty would have scored and given us the 3 points. Vokes missed and gave Cardiff a boost instead! That would have been 3 points already, and I'm sure he would have won us several games after that. I take your point. I agree to an extent, but, who gets anywhere rewriting history? What if we get the penalty Tys fit and misses it? He'll be run out of town, tarred and feathered. No. An unacceptable amount of pressure is being put onto Ty's shoulders. Even when he is fit, it could take him a while to reach the form he was in before the injury.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Apr 17, 2021 17:50:50 GMT
We are safe but after the last 3 games of turgid utter dross the future looks very bleak. I find it almost impossible to see anything positive from those games & nothing convinces me that things will improve. What we are seeing now is no better than what Rowett or Jones served up who by the looks of things could both finish above us.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 17, 2021 18:32:57 GMT
As I said at once Ty got injured, there went our chances for the playoffs! It's too simplistic to say that one player's absence, and a young one at that, is the reason we're not doing better. He's just a perfect example of how absence makes the heart grow fonder. My guess that is that even with Ty in the team we would still have finished outside the top 6. That might be right, but without him we didn't have a chance at all! That was my point really! As I said earlier, this was just a gut feeling and something which is hard to prove of course!
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Post by wilcopotter on Apr 17, 2021 18:52:18 GMT
Won 14, lost 14, drew 14 in 12th place. It’s not been great, we’ve had real bad luck with injuries and some of our “stars” have been poor. All things taken into consideration it’s improvement on last season. We’re a million miles from the Premier League now. Hopefully, more improvement next season. But with MON or without, I don’t think so. No real upturn, sadly, until June 2022 when all the non shooting mercenaries ride out of town imo.
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Post by karl on Apr 17, 2021 19:08:06 GMT
I think getting safe next season will be our first goal and if we make it to the playoffs it will be a bonus. It will not be until the season after once all the old contracts expire we will have a real chance of promotion and possibly going up automatically.
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Post by questionable on Apr 17, 2021 19:17:28 GMT
I think getting safe next season will be our first goal and if we make it to the playoffs it will be a bonus. It will not be until the season after once all the old contracts expire we will have a real chance of promotion and possibly going up automatically. I’m still amazed that people keep saying that after the “old” contracts expire we’ll be a force to be reckoned with, what about the shit we keep signing are they not on contracts then?? We haven’t signed a good player yet alone a mediocre player for years and certainly not someone who can push us on in this league, all in all it’s a very, very bleak future face it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 5:18:35 GMT
It's too simplistic to say that one player's absence, and a young one at that, is the reason we're not doing better. He's just a perfect example of how absence makes the heart grow fonder. My guess that is that even with Ty in the team we would still have finished outside the top 6. That might be right, but without him we didn't have a chance at all! That was my point really! As I said earlier, this was just a gut feeling and something which is hard to prove of course! Again I disagree. If you rely on just one player to get you results then you are a very poor manager and your team is very poor. Given that Campbell is a young player who was not even first choice at the start of the season - not even second choice - we must have planned without him! We should have been able to carry on without him, but with Fletcher also injury prone and Powell inconsistent, we did not make it easy upon ourselves. The manager's refusal to play the excellent homegrown talent until the 41st game of the season is also a bit of an own goal. But ultimately it was never the manager's ambition to seek promotion and I think that was wise.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 18, 2021 8:10:42 GMT
That might be right, but without him we didn't have a chance at all! That was my point really! As I said earlier, this was just a gut feeling and something which is hard to prove of course! Again I disagree. If you rely on just one player to get you results then you are a very poor manager and your team is very poor. Given that Campbell is a young player who was not even first choice at the start of the season - not even second choice - we must have planned without him! We should have been able to carry on without him, but with Fletcher also injury prone and Powell inconsistent, we did not make it easy upon ourselves. The manager's refusal to play the excellent homegrown talent until the 41st game of the season is also a bit of an own goal. But ultimately it was never the manager's ambition to seek promotion and I think that was wise. Take Pukki or Toney out of their teams and replace them with Brown, do you still think they would be where they are?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 8:37:20 GMT
Again I disagree. If you rely on just one player to get you results then you are a very poor manager and your team is very poor. Given that Campbell is a young player who was not even first choice at the start of the season - not even second choice - we must have planned without him! We should have been able to carry on without him, but with Fletcher also injury prone and Powell inconsistent, we did not make it easy upon ourselves. The manager's refusal to play the excellent homegrown talent until the 41st game of the season is also a bit of an own goal. But ultimately it was never the manager's ambition to seek promotion and I think that was wise. Take Pukki or Toney out of their teams and replace them with Brown, do you still think they would be where they are? They'd be thereabouts, because they have a a fair amount of good players in the team and on the bench. I think Brentford, who btw looks like missing out on promotion AGAIN, probably already has someone ready should Toney leave, because that's been their business model for a number of years, since Benham bought the club. And while they are different, Norwich tends to do the same thing. It might seem difficult to imagine another Pukki, but don't forget they signed him on a free. There are plenty of unknown frees with quality out there where that'd be Scandinavia or East European countries. Of course scfc will sign none of them on principle. I think Brown might struggle to be automatic choice, but play him to his strengths and he might still get 10 goals a season, probably more at Norwich than Brentford.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 18, 2021 8:41:00 GMT
Take Pukki or Toney out of their teams and replace them with Brown, do you still think they would be where they are? They'd be thereabouts, because they have a a fair amount of good players in the team and on the bench. I think Brentford, who btw looks like missing out on promotion AGAIN, probably already has someone ready should Toney leave, because that's been their business model for a number of years, since Benham bought the club. And while they are different, Norwich tends to do the same thing. It might seem difficult to imagine another Pukki, but don't forget they signed him on a free. There are plenty of unknown frees with quality out there where that'd be Scandinavia or East European countries. Of course scfc will sign none of them on principle. I think Brown might struggle to be automatic choice, but play him to his strengths and he might still get 10 goals a season, probably more at Norwich than Brentford. We'll probably never get the answers so I just leave it there.
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