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Post by numpty40 on Apr 10, 2021 21:14:34 GMT
Is there a slower more cumbersome team in the Championship than Stoke?
The back three are the reason we defend so deep, throw in a completely slow and cumbersome midfield and a slow and cumbersome striker it's little wonder we pass the ball sideways and backwards but rarely put a shot on target.
Today was a very depressing watch.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 10, 2021 21:16:55 GMT
Is there a slower more cumbersome team in the Championship than Stoke? The back three are the reason we defend so deep, throw in a completely slow and cumbersome midfield and a slow and cumbersome striker it's little wonder we pass the ball sideways and backwards but rarely put a shot on target. Today was a very depressing watch. Our team has been slow and cumbersome for the last 3 seasons, mainly because the squad is choc full of slow and cumbersome players. We're crying out for an injection of pace and athleticism in the team from the full backs and defensive midfielders right through to the forwards. It has to be the priority in the summer...... |
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 10, 2021 21:28:24 GMT
It's speed of thought as well. Apart from Powell and Fletcher you can almost hear the cogs turning when our players get the ball.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 10, 2021 21:34:29 GMT
Brown and Matondo are supposed to be fast but they are crap footballers! We need more guile and steel
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 10, 2021 21:36:23 GMT
Is there a slower more cumbersome team in the Championship than Stoke? The back three are the reason we defend so deep, throw in a completely slow and cumbersome midfield and a slow and cumbersome striker it's little wonder we pass the ball sideways and backwards but rarely put a shot on target. Today was a very depressing watch. No haven't seen one, outstanding achievement considering the amount of investment it has taken  to all involved you have surpassed the worst levels of incompetence imaginable. |
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Post by castleblack on Apr 10, 2021 21:53:08 GMT
listening on the radio there is no excited build up,its here there ,back over there,up down ,nearly,not quite,oh and and back again,,,,no threat,no pace and no excitement,,where did it all go wrong!!....yes we have had massive injuries and poor recruitment but surely once you put the shirt on you have a bit of pride ,,,ffs,in hindsight the best football hughes gave us was beyond our expectations!!,,and as an aside,when hughes lost his direction and we were prospecting for a new manager the experts on here were so anti Moyes,,,and Brenda was a non starter,,,look where they are now!! it begs a question of how the club owners think?.Unfortunately mr oneil is not as good as old jimmy was in goal and he will be out before to long.,,ps,i did think he could turn us around .so i think it will be another decade in the wilderness.and another thing,,,all the clubs our regular oatcake experts said were not worthy are in line to pick up their tickets to be back up on the gravy train. the fucking worst thing is vale bit the bullet and have won six on the bounce!!!!think about it!!green horns in the football game taking big decisions at the right timeffs.
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Post by walton corner on Apr 11, 2021 9:23:32 GMT
MON ...insists they play from the back but we don’t we play AROUND the back ..Chester to baath to soutter to smith to soutter to baath to Chester to soutter or baath and hoof upfield...id much prefer the goalkeeper to launch it 2/3 of the pitch upfield and challenge for it and pick up the second ball and go from there ....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 9:33:14 GMT
Hopefully Doughty when he's fit
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Post by wuzza on Apr 11, 2021 9:36:32 GMT
If this team has any ‘characteristics’ I’m darned if I can identify them.
That free kick by Fletcher last week is about the only moment out of the bang ordinary I can remember this season !
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Post by tqstokie on Apr 11, 2021 10:04:20 GMT
The number of times I watch the full back receive the ball in acres of space and I'm screaming run, he controls it looks up and then passes it backwards or across the back line. Are they not encouraged to attack the space in front of them. Attacking the space means that an opponent has to move to cover the run and hence creates space. It is all pretty basic. Then we wonder why we can't find a way through.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 11, 2021 10:13:33 GMT
Is there a slower more cumbersome team in the Championship than Stoke? The back three are the reason we defend so deep, throw in a completely slow and cumbersome midfield and a slow and cumbersome striker it's little wonder we pass the ball sideways and backwards but rarely put a shot on target. Today was a very depressing watch. Are you surprised when we bring Lurch on as our impact sub? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2021 10:18:30 GMT
When was the last time we didn’t? 2015ish? And even then it wasn’t overly fast but they had good movement.
The last genuinely fast player we had was Moses I think.
We’ve got no one currently. Brown doesn’t look quick. And Matondo could be but we certainly haven’t seen it.
It sums up our transfers really.
Do those at a certain level not value pace?
Or have 4/5 consecutive managers not thought we needed it?
Or a bit of both?
Any which way it’s a fucking farce.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 11, 2021 10:25:28 GMT
It seems to me that the OP description can be applied all the way up the line to the very top of the club.
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Post by chamberlain on Apr 11, 2021 10:31:00 GMT
Is there a slower more cumbersome team in the Championship than Stoke? The back three are the reason we defend so deep, throw in a completely slow and cumbersome midfield and a slow and cumbersome striker it's little wonder we pass the ball sideways and backwards but rarely put a shot on target. Today was a very depressing watch. The answer to your 1st sentence is no ,there is very little pace in the side .I watched Watford v Reading on Friday night and they looked light years in front of us . |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 11, 2021 10:36:43 GMT
We lack pace for sure but we lack a host of other things as well. We lack physicality, we lack pace, we lack endurance, we lack brains and we lack ability.
One things for absolute certain, we don't have an awful lot going for us and we haven't had for a number of years.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 11, 2021 10:59:52 GMT
In the past we’ve had many many crap players and many many crap managers but in all my many many years supporting Stoke City I can’t ever remember feeling so despondent about all things to do with the club. We’ve managed to drop from a team playing beautiful free flowing football, hailed as Stokelona, with some of the worlds top players to a team of third rate plodders.
Who’s to blame for this demise? I think we all know the answer don’t we?
The degree of mis-management at Stoke City by board and CE in particular has been mind boggling wasting tens of £millions on sub standard rubbish or individuals who had no desire at all to play for the club.
This particular parrots never been so sick as he is now.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 11, 2021 12:43:37 GMT
Norrington-Davies is certainly fast, but yesterday he met another fullback, Colin, who was able to outrun him. Not seen this before this season!  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2021 12:48:13 GMT
Norrington-Davies is certainly fast, but yesterday he met another fullback, Colin, who was able to outrun him. Not seen this before this season! He’s someone who could be so good but actually overall I think he’s been poor for us. Defensively he’s average at the absolute best. He gets forward well but does nothing with it. And he’s stupid, the block thing he did yesterday being another example of unnecessary stupidity. You can see there’s a player in there for sure. And it’d be no surprise to see him flourish but he needs to learn fast. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 11, 2021 12:53:17 GMT
Norrington-Davies is certainly fast, but yesterday he met another fullback, Colin, who was able to outrun him. Not seen this before this season! He’s someone who could be so good but actually overall I think he’s been poor for us. Defensively he’s average at the absolute best. He gets forward well but does nothing with it. And he’s stupid, the block thing he did yesterday being another example of unnecessary stupidity. You can see there’s a player in there for sure. And it’d be no surprise to see him flourish but he needs to learn fast. I like him, but his crossing is woeful!. When it comes to defending he is great one on one, but he can be drawn out of position, yes. Still probably our best left back even when Fox is fit, but Fox is not a bad alternative. I've also read a lot of positive things about our youngster Edward Jones so hopefully we won't need another left back next season. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2021 12:56:13 GMT
He’s someone who could be so good but actually overall I think he’s been poor for us. Defensively he’s average at the absolute best. He gets forward well but does nothing with it. And he’s stupid, the block thing he did yesterday being another example of unnecessary stupidity. You can see there’s a player in there for sure. And it’d be no surprise to see him flourish but he needs to learn fast. I like him, but his crossing is woeful!. When it comes to defending he is great one on one, but he can be drawn out of position, yes. Still probably our best left back even when Fox is fit, but Fox is not a bad alternative. I've also read a lot of positive things about our youngster Edward Jones so hopefully we won't need another left back next season. Jones looks ok yeah. More of a steady sort though from what I’ve seen. Which is no bad thing. Would be good to see him live and against some pacy players. Technically though he’s a very good footballer and looks very sound defensively. I guess it’s just hard to judge and on the other side you have Coates who does all that and looks like a 100m sprinter up and down the flank. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 11, 2021 13:00:54 GMT
I like him, but his crossing is woeful!. When it comes to defending he is great one on one, but he can be drawn out of position, yes. Still probably our best left back even when Fox is fit, but Fox is not a bad alternative. I've also read a lot of positive things about our youngster Edward Jones so hopefully we won't need another left back next season. Jones looks ok yeah. More of a steady sort though from what I’ve seen. Which is no bad thing. Would be good to see him live and against some pacy players. Technically though he’s a very good footballer and looks very sound defensively. I guess it’s just hard to judge and on the other side you have Coates who does all that and looks like a 100m sprinter up and down the flank. I would really like to see those two youngsters in a couple of the games we have left, what's there to lose!?  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2021 13:03:36 GMT
Jones looks ok yeah. More of a steady sort though from what I’ve seen. Which is no bad thing. Would be good to see him live and against some pacy players. Technically though he’s a very good footballer and looks very sound defensively. I guess it’s just hard to judge and on the other side you have Coates who does all that and looks like a 100m sprinter up and down the flank. I would really like to see those two youngsters in a couple of the games we have left, what's there to lose!? Yup there’s no reason at all. The only worry I’d have with Coates is him getting done at the far post. But we know Smith can’t defend the post from crosses so it’s no issue to see how Coates does. Going forward he will offer more pace and power and a good delivery. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 11, 2021 13:17:50 GMT
I would really like to see those two youngsters in a couple of the games we have left, what's there to lose!? Yup there’s no reason at all. The only worry I’d have with Coates is him getting done at the far post. But we know Smith can’t defend the post from crosses so it’s no issue to see how Coates does. Going forward he will offer more pace and power and a good delivery. I'd say we are used to right backs being done at the far post as this is a weakness for both Smith and Edwards. Anyway it would be nice to see how Coates could cope with Championship football.  |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 11, 2021 13:22:19 GMT
We have trouble passing to our own players even at walking pace, God knows how we would cope if we moved the ball quicker.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2021 14:35:26 GMT
Yup there’s no reason at all. The only worry I’d have with Coates is him getting done at the far post. But we know Smith can’t defend the post from crosses so it’s no issue to see how Coates does. Going forward he will offer more pace and power and a good delivery. I'd say we are used to right backs being done at the far post as this is a weakness for both Smith and Edwards. Anyway it would be nice to see how Coates could cope with Championship football. Exactly and I have no clue if Coates would tbh. He doesn’t seem to get done too often at u23 level but it’s a different ball game isn’t it up the leagues. But him getting towered by Jutiewicz I can accept as part of a learning curve. It happening to Smith time and time again just shows he’s a bad full back. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 11, 2021 14:48:04 GMT
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Post by march4 on Apr 11, 2021 16:05:03 GMT
Our players are clearly unfit.
Goodness only knows what they do in training.
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Post by skemstokie on Apr 11, 2021 16:23:43 GMT
Is there a slower more cumbersome team in the Championship than Stoke? The back three are the reason we defend so deep, throw in a completely slow and cumbersome midfield and a slow and cumbersome striker it's little wonder we pass the ball sideways and backwards but rarely put a shot on target. Today was a very depressing watch. I still think our biggest problem is the opposition know there is little chance of a crisp long pass out of defence so they can afford to push up and close us down in the final quarter Mikel and others often slow it down further with sideways or backwards passes all so predictable,we just invite pressuring. |
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 11, 2021 18:08:46 GMT
Our players are clearly unfit. Goodness only knows what they do in training. Totally agree March. There 2 things we are absolutely best in the league at - have been for the past few years. Running out of gas and Getting hurt. I don't get it. |
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Post by greenhuff on Apr 11, 2021 19:26:16 GMT
3 things ..those 2 and buying shit players
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to all involved you have surpassed the worst levels of incompetence imaginable. 
