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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 10, 2021 15:26:39 GMT
So, goal goes in, VAR get involved, first look if defender touched ball. No
Next, the ceremonial moving and jiggering of the red and blue lines. The attackers line is on his boot, the furthest forward of all his bits that it is legal to score with. However, VAR then moves the defender line to the defenders hand which is down and to his side.
My question is, why is defenders hand treated differently in this instance than an attackers? Surely the rule should be if you can’t defend with it it’s not that last point.
Apologies as this is part rant, the cats is watching the football mice on the screen with me but, in my experiences, feline knowledge of the offside rule in times of VAR is, at best, shaky.
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 10, 2021 15:33:20 GMT
So, goal goes in, VAR get involved, first look if defender touched ball. No Next, the ceremonial moving and jiggering of the red and blue lines. The attackers line is on his boot, the furthest forward of all his bits that it is legal to score with. However, VAR then moves the defender line to the defenders hand which is down and to his side. My question is, why is defenders hand treated differently in this instance than an attackers? Surely the rule should be if you can’t defend with it it’s not that last point. Apologies as this is part rant, the cats is watching the football mice on the screen with me but, in my experiences, feline knowledge of the offside rule in times of VAR is, at best, shaky. The rules change depending if it will go for or against a big team |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 10, 2021 19:58:50 GMT
In women’s football I’ve seen VAR rule a striker offside by a nipple in 2019 WWC.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 20:17:22 GMT
In women’s football I’ve seen VAR rule a striker offside by a nipple in 2019 WWC. To be fair, on a cold day that could be quite a margin. |
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Post by ab61 on Apr 10, 2021 20:45:16 GMT
In women’s football I’ve seen VAR rule a striker offside by a nipple in 2019 WWC. To be fair, on a cold day that could be quite a margin. 😁😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 20:57:33 GMT
It used to be a joke but genuinely Suarez's teeth or Ozil's eyeballs could be offside in this day and age.
Ibrahimovic's nose maybe?
Gary Lineker's ears?
Gary Flitcroft's erection?
All offside.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 10, 2021 21:30:45 GMT
So, goal goes in, VAR get involved, first look if defender touched ball. No Next, the ceremonial moving and jiggering of the red and blue lines. The attackers line is on his boot, the furthest forward of all his bits that it is legal to score with. However, VAR then moves the defender line to the defenders hand which is down and to his side. My question is, why is defenders hand treated differently in this instance than an attackers? Surely the rule should be if you can’t defend with it it’s not that last point. Apologies as this is part rant, the cats is watching the football mice on the screen with me but, in my experiences, feline knowledge of the offside rule in times of VAR is, at best, shaky. Hands and arms don’t count for any player |
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 10, 2021 21:31:42 GMT
It's made up science - arbitrary lines drawn to support a guess.
If they are going down this ridiculous route have a hundred cameras looking across the pitch and use AI to analyse the footage.
They won't of course because they wouldn't be able to manipulate decisions.
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 10, 2021 22:30:18 GMT
It's made up science - arbitrary lines drawn to support a guess. If they are going down this ridiculous route have a hundred cameras looking across the pitch and use AI to analyse the footage. They won't of course because they wouldn't be able to manipulate decisions. Pretty certain at this point Fergie would have had a network and photoshop expert hacked in to VAR. “Oh Aye, you could see the defenders third leg was playing him on” |
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 10, 2021 22:34:46 GMT
It bollocks it should be the exact same in reverse!
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Post by cheadlestokie on Apr 11, 2021 0:11:01 GMT
I have seen nothing that proves the exact moment when the ball leaves the players foot or head from the last pass and therefore these minute decisions cannot be accurate
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Post by werrington on Apr 11, 2021 4:40:29 GMT
So, goal goes in, VAR get involved, first look if defender touched ball. No Next, the ceremonial moving and jiggering of the red and blue lines. The attackers line is on his boot, the furthest forward of all his bits that it is legal to score with. However, VAR then moves the defender line to the defenders hand which is down and to his side. My question is, why is defenders hand treated differently in this instance than an attackers? Surely the rule should be if you can’t defend with it it’s not that last point. Apologies as this is part rant, the cats is watching the football mice on the screen with me but, in my experiences, feline knowledge of the offside rule in times of VAR is, at best, shaky. Hands and arms don’t count for any player It goes to the end of your sheet sleeve mate ....bizarre I know but thems the rules |
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Post by Boothen on Apr 11, 2021 5:01:03 GMT
VAR is a fucking joke and is ruining the game. It should be scrapped as a failed experiment and consigned to the history books.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 11, 2021 5:05:02 GMT
Hands and arms don’t count for any player It goes to the end of your sheet sleeve mate ....bizarre I know but thems the rules Yep, the “t-shirt line”. Hence hands and arms don’t count |
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Post by milky on Apr 12, 2021 17:21:25 GMT
Another absolute farce involving VAR in the West Brom v Southampton game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 17:30:34 GMT
Another absolute farce involving VAR in the West Brom v Southampton game. VAR is without doubt the shittest invention in football. |
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Post by hackworth on Apr 12, 2021 17:32:33 GMT
The excuse for the shocking decision is that the cameras were in the wrong position to enable the lines to be drawn. Thats complete bollocks, you could see with your own eyes he was onside.
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 12, 2021 18:18:55 GMT
Shocking.
Are we really expected to believe that we are 100% certain that the lines are being drawn at the exact moment the carpet slipper meets the Casey?
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 12, 2021 18:59:10 GMT
Shocking. Are we really expected to believe that we are 100% certain that the lines are being drawn at the exact moment the carpet slipper meets the Casey? Or indeed at the exact moment the casey *leaves* the carpet slipper. There will be a few milliseconds difference between those two moments - maybe enough for an armpit to stray offside? Which one is used ad why? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 22:42:44 GMT
So, goal goes in, VAR get involved, first look if defender touched ball. No Next, the ceremonial moving and jiggering of the red and blue lines. The attackers line is on his boot, the furthest forward of all his bits that it is legal to score with. However, VAR then moves the defender line to the defenders hand which is down and to his side. My question is, why is defenders hand treated differently in this instance than an attackers? Surely the rule should be if you can’t defend with it it’s not that last point. Apologies as this is part rant, the cats is watching the football mice on the screen with me but, in my experiences, feline knowledge of the offside rule in times of VAR is, at best, shaky. The offside rule is crap. I don't mind VAR, but its being asked to do work on a crap rule. A boot in front doesn't (to me) indicate that the player was deliberately trying to get one over, nor does it really feel like it confers an advantage. I honestly don't see why they don't make it more clear. Something like: "the player has to be completely ahead of the defender" or "half the body of the player needs to be ahead of the defender". These fine-margins just makes it feel more like football or basketball than I care soccer to be. |
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 13, 2021 0:16:18 GMT
So, goal goes in, VAR get involved, first look if defender touched ball. No Next, the ceremonial moving and jiggering of the red and blue lines. The attackers line is on his boot, the furthest forward of all his bits that it is legal to score with. However, VAR then moves the defender line to the defenders hand which is down and to his side. My question is, why is defenders hand treated differently in this instance than an attackers? Surely the rule should be if you can’t defend with it it’s not that last point. Apologies as this is part rant, the cats is watching the football mice on the screen with me but, in my experiences, feline knowledge of the offside rule in times of VAR is, at best, shaky. The offside rule is crap. I don't mind VAR, but its being asked to do work on a crap rule. A boot in front doesn't (to me) indicate that the player was deliberately trying to get one over, nor does it really feel like it confers an advantage. I honestly don't see why they don't make it more clear. Something like: "the player has to be completely ahead of the defender" or "half the body of the player needs to be ahead of the defender". These fine-margins just makes it feel more like football or basketball than I care soccer to be. On a personal level I assume, as you have used football and soccer in the same sentence, that what you really meant to say was American Throw Ball? By the by, if you bring basketball into this please do explain the modern ‘traveling’ rule? You get one step, and then one more for every All Star game you’ve been in? |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 13, 2021 1:15:57 GMT
So, goal goes in, VAR get involved, first look if defender touched ball. No Next, the ceremonial moving and jiggering of the red and blue lines. The attackers line is on his boot, the furthest forward of all his bits that it is legal to score with. However, VAR then moves the defender line to the defenders hand which is down and to his side. My question is, why is defenders hand treated differently in this instance than an attackers? Surely the rule should be if you can’t defend with it it’s not that last point. Apologies as this is part rant, the cats is watching the football mice on the screen with me but, in my experiences, feline knowledge of the offside rule in times of VAR is, at best, shaky. The offside rule is crap. I don't mind VAR, but its being asked to do work on a crap rule. A boot in front doesn't (to me) indicate that the player was deliberately trying to get one over, nor does it really feel like it confers an advantage. I honestly don't see why they don't make it more clear. Something like: "the player has to be completely ahead of the defender" or "half the body of the player needs to be ahead of the defender". These fine-margins just makes it feel more like football or basketball than I care soccer to be. How would either of those suggestions make the rule clearer, or the margin any less fine? Particularly “half the body” - how in god’s name would that be judged? They wouldn’t. They’d just move the stupid laser line half a yard or so further down the pitch, while making 99% of non-VAR-assisted assistant referees’ jobs virtually impossible, because how the hell do you judge whether one small part of a body is overlapping another small part of another body when they’re moving in different directions, at speed? The law is absolutely fine. The naked eye can judge whether two people are “level” on the pitch or whether one is ahead of the other. It’s VAR that’s fucked it all up. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 13, 2021 9:43:17 GMT
Like the one yesterday you could clearly tell the bloke that scored it was onside by just looking at the picture.
They then put the lines on the wrong person you have a mistake. I get why the linesman makes that mistake, it's an easy mistake to make at the speed the game happens. But no idea how you can make that mistake looking at the replays.
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