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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 27, 2021 16:07:45 GMT
I think the point is more simple than that: they're both extremely offensive so it should be socially normal to do neither. Seems a sensible approach to me. I think we will have to agree to disagree on this because it seems clear to me personally that there’s a big difference between the two, as evidenced by the amount of people who used to believe in the ideas that these protesters are fighting for, but now believe those same ideas to be ridiculous - with some of those very same people going as far as to ridicule the ideas that their family members still hold dear. The internet is full of former (insert organised religion here). Racial abuse and the satirisation of ideas are so different. I'm not sure we're really talking about the same thing. I'm talking about two things being extremely offensive to sections of society, so as a society it makes sense not to do those things. It used to be "normal" to refer to darkies, coloureds, n*ggers, coons etc thankfully now nobody does despite it not being within statute not to do so. Similar approach to depictions of Mohammed would also avoid similar offence being caused, without it needing to be a law, which is what the imam is sensibly proposing here. Happy to leave it there.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 27, 2021 16:08:43 GMT
The point is, they're not laws, which is why the Imam is suggesting that both should be socially unacceptable. That's fine if they are not laws it is not illegal to do either so why the protests no laws broken no one guilty, get this lad back into the classroom disperse those breaking the law at the gates issue them with fixed penalty fines for breaking covid legislation, fine the organiser £10,000, charge them with public order offences and let the kids carry on learning as per the law. The protests are because they find it offensive. Something doesn't have to be illegal to be protested against!
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 27, 2021 16:11:26 GMT
That's fine if they are not laws it is not illegal to do either so why the protests no laws broken no one guilty, get this lad back into the classroom disperse those breaking the law at the gates issue them with fixed penalty fines for breaking covid legislation, fine the organiser £10,000, charge them with public order offences and let the kids carry on learning as per the law. The protests are because they find it offensive. The protesters are breaking the law which is illegal.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 27, 2021 16:13:33 GMT
The protests are because they find it offensive. The protesters are breaking the law which is illegal. They might well be, but that wasn't what you said in your reply, which was to ask why are they protesting.
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Post by mattyd2 on Mar 27, 2021 16:19:37 GMT
They could be on the moon for all it matters, the use of them is illegal in the UK. Youre right, there are none in mainland UK but there are some in NI. Will they reach that far... The new range of Karchers are very powerful.. Lol... Maybe that's the answer...get a load of Karchers in.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 27, 2021 16:22:13 GMT
You offensive and ridiculous turd. To be fair Momo, there are Muslims and then there are these twats protesting. I don't generalise here and there is a difference. This is a just a small group of arseholes which do not represent the general Muslim population. Hence, there is no defence for them and they should be dealt with. I'm sick to death of people pissing their pants and protesting over nothing with no respect or tolerance for anyone else. That's as maybe but what that individual has suggested I am 'happy' to see is beneath contempt. He is a sewer rat.
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Post by mattyd2 on Mar 27, 2021 16:22:16 GMT
He's appears to be happy to see a civilised country dragged into the middle ages where old men marry and rape children, women are treated as second class citizens and gay people are stoned to death or thrown from high buildings, then try's to take the moral high ground massive hypocrite. You offensive and ridiculous turd. Deny. Deflect Discredit. Less of the abuse people might actually start to take you seriously. More qwerty less dirty would be a start.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 27, 2021 16:24:02 GMT
You offensive and ridiculous turd. Deny. Deflect Discredit. Less of the abuse people might actually start to take you seriously. More qwerty less dirty would be a start. Leave me alone, moron.
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Post by mattyd2 on Mar 27, 2021 16:26:22 GMT
Deny. Deflect Discredit. Less of the abuse people might actually start to take you seriously. More qwerty less dirty would be a start. Leave me alone, moron. Why use the word moron. Unnecessary. This is your big weakness. You just cant help yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 16:27:19 GMT
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this because it seems clear to me personally that there’s a big difference between the two, as evidenced by the amount of people who used to believe in the ideas that these protesters are fighting for, but now believe those same ideas to be ridiculous - with some of those very same people going as far as to ridicule the ideas that their family members still hold dear. The internet is full of former (insert organised religion here). Racial abuse and the satirisation of ideas are so different. I'm not sure we're really talking about the same thing. I'm talking about two things being extremely offensive to sections of society, so as a society it makes sense not to do those things. It used to be "normal" to refer to darkies, coloureds, n*ggers, coons etc thankfully now nobody does despite it not being within statute not to do so. Similar approach to depictions of Mohammed would also avoid similar offence being caused, without it needing to be a law, which is what the imam is sensibly proposing here. Happy to leave it there. I think we’re talking about the same thing but just seeing it differently.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 27, 2021 16:29:10 GMT
Why use the word moron. Unnecessary. This is your big weakness. You just cant help yourself. Stop stalking me you sad, sad, man. Get your kicks elsewhere. Maybe shouting at Muslims or something, that seems to be your thing.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 27, 2021 16:33:50 GMT
You offensive and ridiculous turd. Deny. Deflect Discredit. Less of the abuse people might actually start to take you seriously. More qwerty less dirty would be a start. And that's my issue with him. I don't disagree with him wholeheartedly but I don't subscribe to his polarised view of life either. It sends everything off down a ridiculous path and stifles any possibility for debate. I'd say this is exactly the same with posters of the other political bent, but rarely do they seem to behave as ridiculously vile as this character. I find his manner of posting on either board utterly abhorrent and rarely interact with him as a result to avoid the vicious attitude he spits. It doesn't foster any feeling of their being any great intellect worth interacting with, the exact opposite in fact. He shouts loudest so he must be right, the sort of person any reasonable individual would outright avoid in the real world. It adds nothing to the board and I find it astonishing it's left to continue unchecked.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 27, 2021 16:38:17 GMT
Deny. Deflect Discredit. Less of the abuse people might actually start to take you seriously. More qwerty less dirty would be a start. And that's my issue with him. I don't disagree with him wholeheartedly but I don't subscribe to his polarised view of life either. It sends everything off down a ridiculous path and stifles any possibility for debate. I'd say this is exactly the same with posters of the other political bent, but rarely do they seem to behave as ridiculously vile as this character. I find his manner of posting on either board utterly abhorrent and rarely interact with him as a result to avoid the vicious attitude he spits. It doesn't foster any feeling of their being any great intellect worth interacting with, the exact opposite in fact. He shouts loudest so he must be right, the sort of person any reasonable individual would outright avoid in the real world. It adds nothing to the board and I find it astonishing it's left to continue unchecked. A user you seem to want interact with has accused me of being happy with the rape of children earlier on this thread. The user you are responding to sent me 290 individual threat of violence last year. Forgive me if I don't give two fucks what you think.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 27, 2021 16:40:23 GMT
Why use the word moron. Unnecessary. This is your big weakness. You just cant help yourself. A little less conversation a little more administration might help.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 27, 2021 16:42:37 GMT
Why use the word moron. Unnecessary. This is your big weakness. You just cant help yourself. A little less conversation a little more administration might help. They have a lot of kids though Muslim women don't they. They have to be in by 6 and you never see them in kebab shops do you?
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Post by thevoid on Mar 27, 2021 16:42:51 GMT
And that's my issue with him. I don't disagree with him wholeheartedly but I don't subscribe to his polarised view of life either. It sends everything off down a ridiculous path and stifles any possibility for debate. I'd say this is exactly the same with posters of the other political bent, but rarely do they seem to behave as ridiculously vile as this character. I find his manner of posting on either board utterly abhorrent and rarely interact with him as a result to avoid the vicious attitude he spits. It doesn't foster any feeling of their being any great intellect worth interacting with, the exact opposite in fact. He shouts loudest so he must be right, the sort of person any reasonable individual would outright avoid in the real world. It adds nothing to the board and I find it astonishing it's left to continue unchecked. A user you seem to want interact with has accused me of being happy with the rape of children earlier on this thread. The user you are responding to sent me 290 individual threat of violence last year. Forgive me if I don't give two fucks what you think. Time to retire to the Deep House thread? Meet you there later if you want
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 27, 2021 16:47:24 GMT
The protesters are breaking the law which is illegal. They might well be, but that wasn't what you said in your reply, which was to ask why are they protesting. They are breaking the law any idea why the police are not applying the law to them ?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 27, 2021 16:49:06 GMT
Youre right, there are none in mainland UK but there are some in NI. Will they reach that far... The new range of archers are very powerful.. Lol... Maybe that's the answer...get a load of archers in. Fucking hell, bit over the top that...
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Post by mattyd2 on Mar 27, 2021 16:49:39 GMT
Why use the word moron. Unnecessary. This is your big weakness. You just cant help yourself. Stop stalking me you sad, sad, man. Get your kicks elsewhere. Maybe shouting at Muslims or something, that seems to be your thing. Never shouted at a muslim in my life. I did once shout at a man in china though, he trod on my foot on the Shanghai underground, and I had gout at the time. Hurt like hell. Does that make me Xenophobic.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 27, 2021 16:50:20 GMT
They might well be, but that wasn't what you said in your reply, which was to ask why are they protesting. They are breaking the law any idea why the police are not applying the law to them ? No idea. Why not complain to your MP about how certain sections of society are favoured/treated differently?
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Post by mattyd2 on Mar 27, 2021 16:52:19 GMT
Will they reach that far... The new range of archers are very powerful.. Lol... Maybe that's the answer...get a load of archers in. Fucking hell, yes I agree with you not in the least bit over the top that... Thanks for agreeing...😁
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Post by Orbs on Mar 27, 2021 16:54:10 GMT
You offensive and ridiculous turd. To be fair Momo, there are Muslims and then there are these twats protesting. I don't generalise here and there is a difference. This is a just a small group of arseholes which do not represent the general Muslim population. Hence, there is no defence for them and they should be dealt with. I'm sick to death of people pissing their pants and protesting over nothing with no respect or tolerance for anyone else. 'Generalisation' is the main thing that happens on these threads. Look for the language like 'they' 'we' and most recently there appeared to be a problem with being a ‘single child’ or being from a ‘single parent background’ I've asked the poster to explain these comments but to no avail.
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Post by mattyd2 on Mar 27, 2021 16:54:16 GMT
Slightly 9ff topic. Germany is an anagram of Meg Ryan, which is where she was born...who knew eh...
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 27, 2021 16:55:22 GMT
Stop stalking me you sad, sad, man. Get your kicks elsewhere. Maybe shouting at Muslims or something, that seems to be your thing. Never shouted at a muslim in my life. I did once shout at a man in china though, he trod on my foot on the Shanghai underground, and I had gout at the time. Hurt like hell. Does that make me Xenophobic. Very painful gout, I did shout at a delivery man from the curry house when he turned up an hour late, the food was stone cold cheeky fcuker tried to leave it on the step and run off as I had already paid for it on my CC, not sure if he was Muslim though I did get a full refund in the end.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 27, 2021 16:59:17 GMT
They are breaking the law any idea why the police are not applying the law to them ? No idea. Why not complain to your MP about how certain sections of society are favoured/treated differently? Good advice that I will also write to the Superintendent of N.Yorks Police for an explanation for why his officers are not doing the job the public are paying them to do I will let you know if I get a reply from either.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 27, 2021 17:00:08 GMT
For a start, the police to remove them? Secondly, it would be good if they could at least publically identify the scum chanting " we want your blood". That's pretty fair isn't it? If that's true then remove him from the country. Likewise, do the same with those protesting against the police and defacing public property. This soft touch approach to everything has gone far enough with people protesting over fuck all. Get a job, a family, and live your life. Stop trying to ruin and complicate it for everyone else. Indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 17:00:45 GMT
That's fine if they are not laws it is not illegal to do either so why the protests no laws broken no one guilty, get this lad back into the classroom disperse those breaking the law at the gates issue them with fixed penalty fines for breaking covid legislation, fine the organiser £10,000, charge them with public order offences and let the kids carry on learning as per the law. The protests are because they find it offensive. Something doesn't have to be illegal to be protested against! Offended by a cartoon, so much that the community protests about it. Didn't see any of their "communities" protesting about the grooming gangs, or the suicide bombings that have happened. Strange that. It's almost as if they aren't offended in the slightest, and were just waiting for an excuse to show their disdain towards a free speaking culture that they are obviously so against. I've got an idea, if you don't like what this country and it's people stand for, then fuck off somewhere you feel more comfortable.
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Post by Orbs on Mar 27, 2021 17:00:58 GMT
Why use the word moron. Unnecessary. This is your big weakness. You just cant help yourself. A little less conversation a little more administration please. Worst Elvis cover ever.
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Post by mattyd2 on Mar 27, 2021 17:02:16 GMT
Never shouted at a muslim in my life. I did once shout at a man in china though, he trod on my foot on the Shanghai underground, and I had gout at the time. Hurt like hell. Does that make me Xenophobic. Very painful gout, I did shout at a delivery man from the curry house when he turned up an hour late, the food was stone cold cheeky fcuker tried to leave it on the step and run off as I had already paid for it on my CC, not sure if he was Muslim though I did get a full refund in the end. Was it after 6pm .
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Post by mattyd2 on Mar 27, 2021 17:04:22 GMT
The protests are because they find it offensive. Something doesn't have to be illegal to be protested against! Offended by a cartoon, so much that the community protests about it. Didn't see any of their "communities" protesting about the grooming gangs, or the suicide bombings that have happened. Strange that. It's almost as if they aren't offended in the slightest, and were just waiting for an excuse to show their disdain towards a free speaking culture that they are obviously so against. I've got an idea, if you don't like what this country and it's people stand for, then fuck off somewhere you feel more comfortable. I seem to remember hoardes of Muslims taking to the streets celebrating 9/11. Tehran maybe, Islamabad maybe, nope...Bradford and Luton.
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