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Post by slother on Mar 23, 2021 12:49:10 GMT
I don't think Powell is good enough for a promotion side. Make of that what you will.
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 23, 2021 13:43:39 GMT
MON will want two players for each position (roughly speaking), maybe a first team squad of around 24 / 25 before we get on to the like of a Coates or a Forrester. We must have about 35 reporting back for pre-srason training in July At least a dozen will have to go, if we can find willing clubs to take them.
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Post by yyy on Mar 23, 2021 14:56:15 GMT
It's not an inspiring list is it that, Powell, Davies and Clucas would be on my new contract to do list
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 31, 2021 9:20:45 GMT
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Post by mowlee on Mar 31, 2021 10:11:05 GMT
so MON’s got another free year too finished anywhere an try an work out how he wants too play
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Post by independent on Mar 31, 2021 13:19:25 GMT
Rubbish. I wouldn't be surprised to see us challenging for the top 6 next season, despite the restrictions MON is working under. I think you need to take a few memory pills. What he has managed to do in 15 months is remarkable. From bringing on young players, re-organising recruitment, and signing 12 players for an outlay of £3 million. Add in the difference in our league position despite all our injuries and a game every 3 days. Include the lack of moaning from MON about the problems he's faced and one can only marvel at your dreadfully written comment. I'm afraid the content is as bad as the grammar.
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Post by mowlee on Mar 31, 2021 13:44:41 GMT
Rubbish. I wouldn't be surprised to see us challenging for the top 6 next season, despite the restrictions MON is working under. I think you need to take a few memory pills. What he has managed to do in 15 months is remarkable. From bringing on young players, re-organising recruitment, and signing 12 players for an outlay of £3 million. Add in the difference in our league position despite all our injuries and a game every 3 days. Include the lack of moaning from MON about the problems he's faced and one can only marvel at your dreadfully written comment. I'm afraid the content is as bad as the grammar. content as bad as the grammar hahahahah!! I don’t give a flying fuck what u think.. bad grammar.. memory pills.. yeah whatever.. I can think an do whatever I want an it’s got fuck all too do with u
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 31, 2021 17:54:24 GMT
Why are you participating on a message board if you're not interested in discussing opinions which are at variance to your own?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 16, 2021 8:22:51 GMT
We're making some good progress on this lot!
Looks like the big decisions/negotiations we'll have to make are Davies, Smith, Tymon, Thompson, Batth, Chester and Allen?
All the others will hopefully go this summer - and the youngsters like Forrester and Taylor will hopefully be straightforward.
Outside chance of Fletcher - but would think this was his last season?
GK: Davies 2022
Bursik 2023 Bonham 2023
Blondy Unknown, but long-term
RB: Smith 2022
Edwards 2024
LB: Tymon 2022
Fox 2023
CB: Chester 2022 Batth 2022 Forrester 2022 Taylor 2022
Souttar 2025 Wilmot 2025
MID: Allen 2022 Thompson 2022 Powell 2022 Vrancic "initially" 2022 (probable option)
Clucas 2023 Etebo 2023 (hopefully leaving next summer if Watford stay up) TOB 2023 Sorensen Unknown ("long-term" deal signed in '18 )
RW: Ince 2022
LW: McClean 2022 Doughty Unknown, but long-term
STR: Gregory 2022 Vokes 2022 Fletcher 2022
Afobe 2023
Campbell 2024
Brown Unknown, but long-term
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Post by themistocles on Jul 16, 2021 8:39:55 GMT
We need Bursik on a longer deal
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Post by superpej on Jul 16, 2021 11:57:50 GMT
Dumped an entire team which is not bad going - 4-5-1 Gunn: Bauer, Wimmer, Collins, Lindsay (plus Bruno); Etebo, Mikkel, Woods, Ndeai, Cousins; Afobe
On the bench (clearance sale) Vokes, Gregory, Ince and McClean
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 12:30:23 GMT
We're making some good progress on this lot! Looks like the big decisions/negotiations we'll have to make are Davies, Smith, Tymon, Thompson, Batth, Chester and Allen? All the others will hopefully go this summer - and the youngsters like Forrester and Taylor will hopefully be straightforward. Outside chance of Fletcher - but would think this was his last season? GK:Davies 2022 Bursik 2023 Bonham 2023 Blondy Unknown, but long-term RB:Smith 2022 Edwards 2024 LB:Tymon 2022 Fox 2023 CB:Chester 2022 Batth 2022 Forrester 2022 Taylor 2022 Souttar 2025 Wilmot 2025 MID:Allen 2022 Thompson 2022 Powell 2022 Vrancic "initially" 2022 (probable option) Clucas 2023 Etebo 2023 (hopefully leaving next summer if Watford stay up) TOB 2023 Sorensen Unknown ("long-term" deal signed in '18 ) RW:Ince 2022 LW:McClean 2022 Doughty Unknown, but long-term STR:Gregory 2022 Vokes 2022 Fletcher 2022 Afobe 2023 Campbell 2024 Brown Unknown, but long-term I agree with the big decisions bit. I’d be surprised if Batth leaves Stoke, same with Smith. I imagine that when it comes to renewal, they’ll take a reduced term after holding out for a while. I can’t see them getting much better offers than basic salary anywhere else, and despite winning promotion in the past, they aren’t stand out players in this team. This has to be Tymon’s last chance saloon, and the same argument could be made for Thompson. Both need to step up a lot this season.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 1, 2022 13:45:56 GMT
Who's out of contract in te summer as we stand then?
Davies Smith Batth Chester Allen Thompson (although Stoke have automatic option according to the Sentinel - along with Powell and Brown) Ince Fletcher
Duhaney? (will it be extended beyond this month with Edwards back?) Vrancic - you'd think he must have already have hit the required appearances to trigger another year
Still another 18 months of Afobe and Etebo. Heartbreaking
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Post by RF10 on Jan 1, 2022 14:04:11 GMT
Who's out of contract in te summer as we stand then? Davies Smith Batth Chester Allen Thompson (although Stoke have automatic option according to the Sentinel - along with Powell and Brown) Ince Fletcher Duhaney? (will it be extended beyond this month with Edwards back?) Vrancic - you'd think he must have already have hit the required appearances to trigger another year Still another 18 months of Afobe and Etebo. Heartbreaking I wouldn't be bothered if everyone of them left apart from Vrancic and Fletcher who a decent to have in the squad. Think time has come for Allen to leave.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 1, 2022 15:11:16 GMT
Who's out of contract in te summer as we stand then? Davies Smith Batth Chester Allen Thompson (although Stoke have automatic option according to the Sentinel - along with Powell and Brown) Ince Fletcher Duhaney? (will it be extended beyond this month with Edwards back?) Vrancic - you'd think he must have already have hit the required appearances to trigger another year Still another 18 months of Afobe and Etebo. Heartbreaking I wouldn't be bothered if everyone of them left apart from Vrancic and Fletcher who a decent to have in the squad. Think time has come for Allen to leave. I’d be keeping Thompson, Vrancic, Fletcher, Smith and Batth to be honest. Thompson must be on next to nothing and our most balanced midfield has seen him in it. I don’t know what he has to do to beat Allen to the number one spot when fit, because he’s better all round. Vrancic and Fletcher will both offer a lot from the bench and in important games. Batth is only 31 and as a squad player, is fine. I doubt we’d get much better to sit on the bench for Souttar (and we do need a direct physical replacement for him). Smith may well see his time gradually reduced, but one extra season while (hopefully) Coates comes of age, or Edwards offers something more isn’t going to hurt us. None of those players are problems in the squad. Our recruitment team seems pretty small. I’d rather us concentrate on finding a better goalkeeper, a solid defensive midfield and an actual left-footed centre back instead of replacing half of the first team.
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Post by RF10 on Jan 1, 2022 16:25:37 GMT
I wouldn't be bothered if everyone of them left apart from Vrancic and Fletcher who a decent to have in the squad. Think time has come for Allen to leave. I’d be keeping Thompson, Vrancic, Fletcher, Smith and Batth to be honest. Thompson must be on next to nothing and our most balanced midfield has seen him in it. I don’t know what he has to do to beat Allen to the number one spot when fit, because he’s better all round. Vrancic and Fletcher will both offer a lot from the bench and in important games. Batth is only 31 and as a squad player, is fine. I doubt we’d get much better to sit on the bench for Souttar (and we do need a direct physical replacement for him). Smith may well see his time gradually reduced, but one extra season while (hopefully) Coates comes of age, or Edwards offers something more isn’t going to hurt us. None of those players are problems in the squad. Our recruitment team seems pretty small. I’d rather us concentrate on finding a better goalkeeper, a solid defensive midfield and an actual left-footed centre back instead of replacing half of the first team. I see your points on all of them, however we should be looking to replace them with better alternatives if we want to go places. Having players to simply make up the numbers to give you a squad won't achieve that.
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Post by westgatelakes on Jan 1, 2022 20:39:36 GMT
Allen will definitely leave as he sold his farm in slindon months ago and, by all accounts has relocated back to Wales.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2022 20:43:02 GMT
Who's out of contract in te summer as we stand then? Davies Smith Batth Chester Allen Thompson (although Stoke have automatic option according to the Sentinel - along with Powell and Brown) Ince Fletcher Duhaney? (will it be extended beyond this month with Edwards back?) Vrancic - you'd think he must have already have hit the required appearances to trigger another year Still another 18 months of Afobe and Etebo. Heartbreaking Vrancic for definite. Maybe Fletcher. After that the rest can go.
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Post by Jimm on Jan 1, 2022 20:45:48 GMT
Chester will resign, that I am sure of
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 1, 2022 20:54:44 GMT
Allen will definitely leave as he sold his farm in slindon months ago and, by all accounts has relocated back to Wales. May fancy being the next Wales manager?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 1, 2022 21:06:48 GMT
Allen will definitely leave as he sold his farm in slindon months ago and, by all accounts has relocated back to Wales. May fancy being the next Wales manager? Allen will be offered a deal question will be does he get a better offer but Blackburn showed contrary to some views we are definitely worse without him
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 1, 2022 21:11:21 GMT
We need to repeat last summer's action of letting a dozen first team squad leave and find fresh players from the juniors or brought in. But based on the last four transfer windows, someone other than MON needs to be doing it.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Jan 1, 2022 21:20:27 GMT
May fancy being the next Wales manager? Allen will be offered a deal question will be does he get a better offer but Blackburn showed contrary to some views we are definitely worse without him Agree. Even Bayern conceded that it would be madness to sell Allen at the moment (and he detests Allen). He lost the plot a bit against Derby, but has to remain until we find an equall or better replacement - which frankly ain’t happening.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2022 21:23:03 GMT
Allen will be offered a deal question will be does he get a better offer but Blackburn showed contrary to some views we are definitely worse without him Agree. Even Bayern conceded that it would be madness to sell Allen at the moment (and he detests Allen). He lost the plot a bit against Derby, but has to remain until we find an equall or better replacement - which frankly ain’t happening. We’d need to get another in. But if we sold him we surely would? No one’s daft enough to buy him though. Replacing him would be easy.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 1, 2022 21:29:11 GMT
The midfield needs a complete revamp. We need more legs in there, more physicality in there and frankly more football in there. The way the inexperienced Derby midfield danced around us the other night was downright embarassing. We had the warning sign a few weeks previous when Joe Rothwell had a party in there at our expense.
So far, MON has signed Jordan Thompson, Jon-Obi Mikel, Tashan Oakley-Boothe and Mario Vrancic to solve our issues and start a 'rebuild'.
Thompson I like and think is a good signing and has improved and will improve further, Mikel was bang average - borderline disaster, TOB is/was a cheap punt that hasn't paid off (shit happens) and Vrancic is a here and now signing that has done well. Overall i'm not sure what the plan is here though? Signings of the profiles of Mikel and Vrancic are short termers that are the cherry on the cake type signings to provide depth and experience. The others are project type signings that should pay off long term. We seem to be building our seasons sround the experienced profile type signings rather than using them as the finishing touches.
It's clear where we are short.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 4, 2022 13:35:19 GMT
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Post by neddy on Jan 4, 2022 14:24:15 GMT
I do just wonder if players out of contract is affecting things? Maybe quite a number know they are gonners and are not inclined to play for a contract? Baath being the exception? Just a thought?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2022 14:28:47 GMT
I do just wonder if players out of contract is affecting things? Maybe quite a number know they are gonners and are not inclined to play for a contract? Baath being the exception? Just a thought? Aren’t they playing for a contract either way though?
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Post by neddy on Jan 4, 2022 14:30:21 GMT
I do just wonder if players out of contract is affecting things? Maybe quite a number know they are gonners and are not inclined to play for a contract? Baath being the exception? Just a thought? Aren’t they playing for a contract either way though? You could argue they should be but I’m not witnessing too much of it!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 4, 2022 14:39:10 GMT
I wonder how many we're actually considering extending?
Would think Thompson will get the extra year, as well as Vrancic who will play enough games to trigger it automatically.
Hopefully Batth, Allen, Ince and Chester are nailed-on to go.
Which leaves:
Davies Smith Fletcher
Not sure about any of those 3.
Davies probably won't want to sign up to be No.2 to Bursik. Fletcher will be 35 and 36 by the time any additional year deal finishes. Could go either way there, depending on what wage he wants.
And Smith is very tricky. It'd have to be on massively reduced terms - but I'd be inclined to get rid
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