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Post by skeelsy on Mar 22, 2021 12:13:31 GMT
Harry "cleverly" wins another penalty by ignoring the ball and deliberately making contact with the Villa defender. So smart. Good old Harry !
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2021 12:15:51 GMT
I don’t get the fuss about that one yesterday.
He’s just standing then gets kicked by the defender.
It’s a penalty all day long and rash crap defending.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 12:18:29 GMT
It was a foul and a stupid one.
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Post by werrington on Mar 22, 2021 12:20:11 GMT
This was my point in another thread in regards the abuse referees get in regards getting decisions wrong and the FA should look at decisions and then ban a player who has blatantly cheated for a period of time then the clubs would clamp down on it
It’s ok for managers to slam referees when they get it horrendously wrong when it affects their club but not say anything when it goes in their favour
If players stopped cheating it would not put referees in a terrible situation
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Post by butlerstreetbertie on Mar 22, 2021 12:23:19 GMT
Ref had no alternative, Kane deliberately lets the ball go to take the tackle. Gamesmanship yes, cheating no. Not like his dive against Fulham a few weeks ago where the ref didn't give the penalty but should have cautioned him.
Also has history, booked against Wolves by Stuart Atwell for simulation, (i.e. cheating).
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Post by brizzlestokie on Mar 22, 2021 12:25:06 GMT
I was really surprised by the reaction to the penalty yesterday.
I guess you could say it's gamesmanship on Kane's part in that he chose to ignore the ball and move in front of the defender, but ultimately the defender slid in and took him out, didn't he? It's not like there wasn't contact or anything. Kane seems to have become a bit of a target for this sort of criticism.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 22, 2021 12:42:02 GMT
Nick Powell is a master of winning a foul in this way - he puts himself between the defender and ball and waits for the inevitable to happen.
Its clearly not cheating if you play for a foul and actually get fouled.
Cheating is when u dive with no contact.
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Post by callas12 on Mar 22, 2021 12:50:50 GMT
My bro's a Villa fan & was moaning his bag off blaming everyone but Matty Cash for his reckless lunge last night. I said straight away it was a peno all day long. Bro was moaning about Spurs players diving around & the ref ruining the game for giving the penalty etc! I said hang on, reference the Spurs players allegedly diving around, take a look at what Grealish does all game long when he's playing! & on the subject of Grealish, had what happened to Kane happened to Grealish you'd of been screaming penalty!
How fickle are footy fans hey, told him to man up & to take his AVFC Rose tinted spectacles off!! Even their manager Dean Smith who usually finds all sorts of excuses after a loss said that 2x mistakes cost them 2x goals today!
I just know that if that Kane incident was replicated in a big game in a future tournament for England my bro would of screaming penalty & would celebrate the resulting scoring of the penalty!
He's easy to wind up at the moment as my constant telling him Villa are a one man team & struggle without Grealish is looking so evident now despite his early claims they are far from a one man team! The Sky pundits made me laugh yesterday when they said Villa are like the Beatles without McCartney when Grealish isn't playing!
Definitely think Kane is a world class striker & he's a clever player. To be able to buy an advantage is not cheating, it's just outsmarting your opposing players & yesterday was a fine example of that. If Cash hadn't gone to ground for an imaginary cross that didn't come & had stayed on his feet it would of been a goal kick, simple as that really. Sometimes a player mixing a natural ability & utilising the dark arts now and again make a good player an outstanding one.
Ronaldo, Maradona, Suaruez, Diego Costa all expamples of players who have natural ability but also have that little but extra! Kane is definitely one of them..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 13:27:11 GMT
I don’t get the fuss about that one yesterday. He’s just standing then gets kicked by the defender. It’s a penalty all day long and rash crap defending. This 100%. Kane’s actions when he constantly “makes a back for the defender” though are something completely different. I’d suggest that is tantamount to cheating, but yesterday was just plain stupid by the defender. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 22, 2021 13:32:05 GMT
I hate seeing penalties like that, you should have to score a proper goal.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Mar 22, 2021 14:24:46 GMT
Cash just kicks his legs from under him.
It's a stonewall penno.
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 22, 2021 14:27:19 GMT
It's clearly a Tottenham "thing", playing for the penalty, or cheating as it is better described. Kane does it a lot and so does Deli Ali when he is playing. The Monkey faced diver (Bale) was usually the best actor of the lot, and probably will be again when playing regularly.
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Post by redstriper on Mar 22, 2021 14:30:32 GMT
Kane is soon to lead us on a european campaign where there will be all sorts of cheating by other national teams and (if the rugby is anything to go by) some very harsh treatment from referees who appear to have an "anyone but england" mentality at the moment. We have enough unpopularity to deal with without moaning at our own.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 22, 2021 14:41:35 GMT
I don’t get the fuss about that one yesterday. He’s just standing then gets kicked by the defender. It’s a penalty all day long and rash crap defending. This 100%. Kane’s actions when he constantly “makes a back for the defender” though are something completely different. I’d suggest that is tantamount to cheating, but yesterday was just plain stupid by the defender. Loads of players do that. It's almost accepted that as soon as you are in control of the ball, if you position your body between the ball and an opponent, you will get a foul awarded. It drives me nuts, especially when the fouled player clearly has no options available other than to fall over and get a soft foul. If they have no other options available, it's probably not a foul, they've just chosen to throw themselves to the floor! I can guarantee you'll see this several times a game in the upcoming Euros. That's just a general gripe about it, not seen the Kane penalty. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2021 14:51:56 GMT
This 100%. Kane’s actions when he constantly “makes a back for the defender” though are something completely different. I’d suggest that is tantamount to cheating, but yesterday was just plain stupid by the defender. Loads of players do that. It's almost accepted that as soon as you are in control of the ball, if you position your body between the ball and an opponent, you will get a foul awarded. It drives me nuts, especially when the fouled player clearly has no options available other than to fall over and get a soft foul. If they have no other options available, it's probably not a foul, they've just chosen to throw themselves to the floor! I can guarantee you'll see this several times a game in the upcoming Euros. That's just a general gripe about it, not seen the Kane penalty. But if you do then get kicked, it's a foul surely? It's just bad defending. |
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Post by MooG on Mar 22, 2021 18:33:58 GMT
Cheat is hash here I think. Yes he "bought it", but there's no obligation to avoid the contact just because he could have. It's not like the penalties that annoy me where the forward wraps his leg around a defenders and then hits the deck.
Kane probably need to get a medical check up though as, like many players, his nerves don't work properly; given the complete lack of correlation between the force and point of contact; and which part of his body he holds while writhing on the ground.
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Post by mrpickles on Mar 22, 2021 18:45:11 GMT
Nick Powell is a master of winning a foul in this way - he puts himself between the defender and ball and waits for the inevitable to happen. Its clearly not cheating if you play for a foul and actually get fouled. Cheating is when u dive with no contact. Was just going to post about Nick Powell too. An absolute master at it. I honestly don't see how this is cheating from Kane. It's just clever play. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 18:45:48 GMT
Bit of a strange incident to use to call him a cheat.
It was a clear penalty.
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 22, 2021 18:47:43 GMT
Kane knew what he was doing. Cash was pretty rash all night and Kane went to play on his side in the second half specifically.
Cheat isn't the right word to use because he didn't dive. He was blatantly fouled but Kane initiated the foul with his movement in the box.
It was clever use of the dark arts.
I would suggest we try it but we probably wouldn't score it anyways... 🤣
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 22, 2021 18:49:20 GMT
Nobody will moan if he does it in the Euros. It’s a bit snidey but a definite peno for me
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 22, 2021 18:51:10 GMT
This was my point in another thread in regards the abuse referees get in regards getting decisions wrong and the FA should look at decisions and then ban a player who has blatantly cheated for a period of time then the clubs would clamp down on it It’s ok for managers to slam referees when they get it horrendously wrong when it affects their club but not say anything when it goes in their favour If players stopped cheating it would not put referees in a terrible situation Players have cheated from day one, whether it's diving or claiming a throw in when they know they were the last player to touch the ball. The referee has all the power on the pitch, the laws are in place, they need to be better. They need to be stronger and book footballers - they will soon stop when they're missing matches, appearance money and bonuses. |
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Post by mattythestokie on Mar 22, 2021 19:18:56 GMT
I don’t get the fuss about that one yesterday. He’s just standing then gets kicked by the defender. It’s a penalty all day long and rash crap defending. This 100%. Kane’s actions when he constantly “makes a back for the defender” though are something completely different. I’d suggest that is tantamount to cheating, but yesterday was just plain stupid by the defender. The thing he does when he backs in to a defender is so ridiculously reckless and is a red card all day. It’s only a matter of time before someone lands on their neck and break it. Its a red in Rugby and should be in football. Yesterday’s is strange. I don’t get the uproar for it. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 22, 2021 19:41:19 GMT
If you want to stop cheating get rid of referees
No point diving then
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Post by spiderpuss on Mar 22, 2021 19:53:56 GMT
Rubbish defending plain and simple. Penalty.
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 22, 2021 22:33:47 GMT
Shite from Kane as not only was it cheating but he was prepared to let the ball run out of play and forfeit not getting in a cross - in what was a very dangerous area, but equally utterly toss defending.
Cheating is now an acceptable part of the game - which is why I am not.
I would rather lose than have to cheat to win.
Bring in the red card for simulation and more importantly retrospective red cards and it would stop a lot of it, as Refs seem petrified to even get the yellow out during game time.
Kane roles about like a little snowflake also trying to get the opposing player sent off or carded - and after the last game in his interview, he talked about how he and his Spurs mates show humility and how important it is to be humble - cheating little hypocritical tw^t
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Post by ElworthPotter on Mar 22, 2021 22:45:12 GMT
He’s a master of “winning” free kicks and pens, but yesterday he’s just letting the ball run and the guy slides in rashly. Penalty for me.
Genuine question: if he “wins”/“earns” one to win us a Euro knockout match, do you slate him for it?
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Post by skeelsy on Mar 23, 2021 10:39:56 GMT
Cash's intentions was merely to block the cross. Kane declined to attempt a cross but instead struck out his right leg with the intention of connecting with Cash's sliding block. It saddens me that that so many people are so easily duped.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2021 10:45:10 GMT
Cash's intentions was merely to block the cross. Kane declined to attempt a cross but instead struck out his right leg with the intention of connecting with Cash's sliding block. It saddens me that that so many people are so easily duped. Intention doesn't matter. He kicked him and it was a foul. You can't kick someone and then plead it's not a foul because you didn't mean to. It's still a foul. |
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Post by tuum on Mar 23, 2021 15:31:50 GMT
I would just get rid of penalties. Give a direct free kick at the point of the infringement. It might not stop the cheating but at least you wouldn't get a free shot at goal.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 23, 2021 16:42:51 GMT
Kane is soon to lead us on a european campaign where there will be all sorts of cheating by other national teams and (if the rugby is anything to go by) some very harsh treatment from referees who appear to have an "anyone but england" mentality at the moment. We have enough unpopularity to deal with without moaning at our own. Oi!! What are you suggesting? We beat you fair and square! (unless of course you are talking about the semifinal when the ref thought England were playing in the all black strip?)  |
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