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Post by liamo on Jul 25, 2021 14:26:11 GMT
There are 2 apps, the NHS Covid 19 app that is used for tracing, i.e. the pinger, and the NHS app that shows if you've been vaccinated, i.e. the passport. You don't need to have the pinger app as well as the passport app. my point is it will change. the idea of covid passports was absurd until less than 2 weeks ago, they were dismissed by the govt straight away. do you trust this govt to keep it's word? Probably because they were hoping for a higher percentage of vaccine uptake, say 95% of eligible adults got the vaccine there would then be no need for passports, you could trust that the vast majority of people inside a stadium or music venue would be vaccinated As it is now, you rightly will need to show proof that you breathing inside is not a danger to other people, it’s obviously not 100% safe even with double jabs but it’s the most any of us can do to get out of this mess
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Post by stokemark on Jul 25, 2021 14:27:27 GMT
Meanwhile millions take to the streets of Brazil protesting against mismanagement of the disease by their president, failure to establish an effective vaccination programme and 500,000 deaths.
Here in little old Stoke a few people refuse to show proof of their vaccinations to a turnstile operator at a football match. Grow the fuck up.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 25, 2021 14:31:37 GMT
Meanwhile millions take to the streets of Brazil protesting against mismanagement of the disease by their president, failure to establish an effective vaccination programme and 500,000 deaths. Here in little old Stoke a few people refuse to show proof of their vaccinations to a turnstile operator at a football match. Grow the fuck up. If you won’t listen now, you’ll listen later when you realise what you’ve let them do. Trouble is it’ll be too late then.
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 25, 2021 14:33:51 GMT
my point is it will change. the idea of covid passports was absurd until less than 2 weeks ago, they were dismissed by the govt straight away. do you trust this govt to keep it's word? Probably because they were hoping for a higher percentage of vaccine uptake, say 95% of eligible adults got the vaccine there would then be no need for passports, you could trust that the vast majority of people inside a stadium or music venue would be vaccinated As it is now, you rightly will need to show proof that you breathing inside is not a danger to other people, it’s obviously not 100% safe even with double jabs but it’s the most any of us can do to get out of this mess i understand this, however, what i'm uneasy with is the growing threat of totalitarianism from our govt dictatorship. it is almost stalinesque or north korean. They will use this opportunity to have a power grab, implement rules into our lives that will become irreversible and we will be all the poorer for it. also, the idea of people abiding by the rules is laughable. We have no signal at the ground at the best of times, people will just use other people's screengrabs, or jib in at gates they have mates on, negating the whole reason for passports. I absolutely guarantee that it will filter into our financial world, and we will have given up our rights without a fight. this govt is not to be trusted in the slightest.
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Post by liamo on Jul 25, 2021 14:34:28 GMT
Meanwhile millions take to the streets of Brazil protesting against mismanagement of the disease by their president, failure to establish an effective vaccination programme and 500,000 deaths. Here in little old Stoke a few people refuse to show proof of their vaccinations to a turnstile operator at a football match. Grow the fuck up. If you won’t listen now, you’ll listen later when you realise what you’ve let them do. Trouble is it’ll be too late then. Out of interest, what do you believe this is the start of? I’m genuinely curious
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 25, 2021 14:36:46 GMT
If you won’t listen now, you’ll listen later when you realise what you’ve let them do. Trouble is it’ll be too late then. Out of interest, what do you believe this is the start of? I’m genuinely curious en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_Systemchina already cracking on like a bad dream. good citizens 'rewarded', bad/unlucky citizens punished.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 25, 2021 14:42:41 GMT
Out of interest, what do you believe this is the start of? I’m genuinely curious en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_Systemchina already cracking on like a bad dream. good citizens 'rewarded', bad/unlucky citizens punished. Exactly this. Notice we’ve already apparently got plans to use the same system to track what people eat and how much exercise they take, and reward them accordingly. Anyone who doesn’t think this is abhorrent needs their head examined.
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Post by Northy on Jul 25, 2021 14:43:14 GMT
Tell that to piers Morgan. Of course you can still get it after having both jabs, but hopefully you end up having what he had and not worse. It cuts the threat a lot more by having the jabs, so for the time being I'm afraid, get jabbed, get a possibly passport on your phone, to be able to do a lot of things with the best freedom we can at the moment So...Morgan is vaccinated but he still caught it, just mildly. Explain what difference everyone having to prove they were vaccinated would have made to this scenario. If you need that explaining to you then it's a waste of time trying to speak with you, have you had your head buried in the sand for months? Studies show the vaccines reduce the possibility of transmission up to 50% www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/science-and-technology/2021/04/yes-vaccines-block-most-transmission-of-covid-19www.gov.uk/government/news/one-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-can-cut-household-transmission-by-up-to-halfNot only does it help reduce transmission then it reduces the need for hospitalisation, therefore keeping hospital beds free for routine appointments and treatments like cancer, what you lot keep banging on about needs to happen, - you couldn't make it up if you tried !!
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 25, 2021 14:46:26 GMT
Exactly this. Notice we’ve already apparently got plans to use the same system to track what people eat and how much exercise they take, and reward them accordingly. Anyone who doesn’t think this is abhorrent needs their head examined. i didn't know if your dog misbehaves it can bring your social credit score. Bit harsh.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Jul 25, 2021 15:07:11 GMT
i've had the jabs, but i won't have the stupid app. As i work for myself, i can't be getting pinged because i've apparently been in the same vicinity of someone else who's causing me to get pinged. It means i miss out on work. I'm against the passports because it's a slow erosion of rights, and means that i'm going to have to get the app eventually, which means it'll inevitably ping me to isolate, therefore losing work and money, when i've 'followed orders' and had the jab. If you think it'll stop at just being double jabbed, you're living in a dream world. Soon it'll be "have you had your booster jabs", upload results to app. Going abroad? oh you need another jab. Not done what you've told? oh that will go on your credit file. Car insurance refused because you've not had the jab, can't get a mortgage ... proper black mirror stuff. People will laugh and snort how ridiculous this is, but we have a semi-facist govt in power right now, and they do not give 2 fucks about us proles. If you work for yourself can’t you do what a lot of employers are doing and give yourself permission to work as long as you do a daily test? talking of black mirror, I remember the first episode which seemed very far fetched at the time, but now seems quite possible!
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Post by sportsman on Jul 25, 2021 15:11:02 GMT
So where have you got your facts from, don't say off here? 🤣 If not, it must be off the bible Facebook, because all the main media are saying the exact opposite to your facts Imagine believing the media and defending them on here. Case closed. Imagine reading a Google search or a Facebook page.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 25, 2021 15:12:30 GMT
He went and caught it at the euro final. More than likely off a young toe rag who probably stuck two fingers up to the vaccine when offered it. Have the jabs, show proof on entry and reduce the risk and increase the safety and peace of mind for the rest. Really is a simple one for me. You ralise that proof of lft was compulsory for anyone attending wembley? Simple one indeed 😂 Apart from about 20 thousand people inside above the official attendance 😁
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Post by sportsman on Jul 25, 2021 15:17:10 GMT
Meanwhile millions take to the streets of Brazil protesting against mismanagement of the disease by their president, failure to establish an effective vaccination programme and 500,000 deaths. Here in little old Stoke a few people refuse to show proof of their vaccinations to a turnstile operator at a football match. Grow the fuck up. Exactly. Yet some on here keep going on about it all being too late, that the zombies are coming get us, we will turn into China, and they really will sell oxo's on buses soon
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Post by sportsman on Jul 25, 2021 15:21:28 GMT
Probably because they were hoping for a higher percentage of vaccine uptake, say 95% of eligible adults got the vaccine there would then be no need for passports, you could trust that the vast majority of people inside a stadium or music venue would be vaccinated As it is now, you rightly will need to show proof that you breathing inside is not a danger to other people, it’s obviously not 100% safe even with double jabs but it’s the most any of us can do to get out of this mess i understand this, however, what i'm uneasy with is the growing threat of totalitarianism from our govt dictatorship. it is almost stalinesque or north korean. They will use this opportunity to have a power grab, implement rules into our lives that will become irreversible and we will be all the poorer for it. also, the idea of people abiding by the rules is laughable. We have no signal at the ground at the best of times, people will just use other people's screengrabs, or jib in at gates they have mates on, negating the whole reason for passports. I absolutely guarantee that it will filter into our financial world, and we will have given up our rights without a fight. this govt is not to be trusted in the slightest. Wow. There's some loony conspiracy theorists on here. I keep going on about Google searches and Facebook, but they really are more dangerous than any government people on here are moaning about. eg. Google itchy toe and it will tell you you've got 3 weeks live 🙄
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 25, 2021 15:21:33 GMT
i've had the jabs, but i won't have the stupid app. As i work for myself, i can't be getting pinged because i've apparently been in the same vicinity of someone else who's causing me to get pinged. It means i miss out on work. I'm against the passports because it's a slow erosion of rights, and means that i'm going to have to get the app eventually, which means it'll inevitably ping me to isolate, therefore losing work and money, when i've 'followed orders' and had the jab. If you think it'll stop at just being double jabbed, you're living in a dream world. Soon it'll be "have you had your booster jabs", upload results to app. Going abroad? oh you need another jab. Not done what you've told? oh that will go on your credit file. Car insurance refused because you've not had the jab, can't get a mortgage ... proper black mirror stuff. People will laugh and snort how ridiculous this is, but we have a semi-facist govt in power right now, and they do not give 2 fucks about us proles. If you work for yourself can’t you do what a lot of employers are doing and give yourself permission to work as long as you do a daily test? talking of black mirror, I remember the first episode which seemed very far fetched at the time, but now seems quite possible! i have had the vaccines. I'm not anti-vaccine. It's the slow eroding of civil liberties i'm worried about. and yes black mirror, some episodes are frighteningly close to the bone now ....
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 25, 2021 15:23:03 GMT
i understand this, however, what i'm uneasy with is the growing threat of totalitarianism from our govt dictatorship. it is almost stalinesque or north korean. They will use this opportunity to have a power grab, implement rules into our lives that will become irreversible and we will be all the poorer for it. also, the idea of people abiding by the rules is laughable. We have no signal at the ground at the best of times, people will just use other people's screengrabs, or jib in at gates they have mates on, negating the whole reason for passports. I absolutely guarantee that it will filter into our financial world, and we will have given up our rights without a fight. this govt is not to be trusted in the slightest. Wow. There's some loony conspiracy theorists on here. I keep going on about Google searches and Facebook, but they really are more dangerous than any government people on here are moaning about. eg. Google itchy toe and it will tell you you've got 3 weeks live 🙄 what have i written that is 'loony'?
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Post by sportsman on Jul 25, 2021 15:24:33 GMT
Wow. There's some loony conspiracy theorists on here. I keep going on about Google searches and Facebook, but they really are more dangerous than any government people on here are moaning about. eg. Google itchy toe and it will tell you you've got 3 weeks live 🙄 what have i written that is 'loony'? 🤣
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 25, 2021 15:25:18 GMT
what have i written that is 'loony'? 🤣 always a good answer to a perfectly reasonable question.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Jul 25, 2021 15:28:03 GMT
If you work for yourself can’t you do what a lot of employers are doing and give yourself permission to work as long as you do a daily test? talking of black mirror, I remember the first episode which seemed very far fetched at the time, but now seems quite possible! i have had the vaccines. I'm not anti-vaccine. It's the slow eroding of civil liberties i'm worried about. and yes black mirror, some episodes are frighteningly close to the bone now .... I didn’t mention being anti-vax. The Black Mirror episode I’m on about is the pig one!
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 25, 2021 15:31:31 GMT
i have had the vaccines. I'm not anti-vaccine. It's the slow eroding of civil liberties i'm worried about. and yes black mirror, some episodes are frighteningly close to the bone now .... I didn’t mention being anti-vax. The Black Mirror episode I’m on about is the pig one! very happy to test daily if need be. PCR, lateral flow etc.. it's just the idea of a forced 'vaccine passport' that terrifies me because it simply won't end there. the pig one is so good. Watch out cameron! The one that made me grimace was > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive_%28Black_Mirror%29
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Post by Northy on Jul 25, 2021 15:32:38 GMT
Wow. There's some loony conspiracy theorists on here. I keep going on about Google searches and Facebook, but they really are more dangerous than any government people on here are moaning about. eg. Google itchy toe and it will tell you you've got 3 weeks live 🙄 what have i written that is 'loony'? 'Almost Stalinesque or North Korean' I would imagine what he was thinking of
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Post by Royal Donut on Jul 25, 2021 15:41:31 GMT
Imagine believing the media and defending them on here. Case closed. Imagine reading a Google search or a Facebook page. Imagine not having Facebook, and you can get information from somewhere else, no you can't...
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Post by simple on Jul 25, 2021 15:46:00 GMT
Like it’s already been pointed out the NHS app is different than the Covit 19 app,It was not long ago that you had to be vaccinated when travelling to certain countries this was done for protection.Can you still catch it yes but not as sphere,we will have to learn to adapat to this virus,vaccines will get better.But I think if you want to travel most countries will demand prof of vaciation.I f I have to carry a small bit of information so I can get back to watching SCFC so be it.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 25, 2021 15:59:25 GMT
Imagine reading a Google search or a Facebook page. Imagine not having Facebook, and you can get information from somewhere else, no you can't... This thread gets better 🤣 let me guess. He is down as a Dr, from california that goes spouting about what he has 1st hand knowledge of, that covid is a big conspiracy, the vaccines will turn us all into zombies obeying China. But wait. There's now a built in delay within the vaccine that doesn't kick in for about a year now that most of us have had it and it hasn't turned us all yet..... Oh stop it now you're giving me stitch.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 25, 2021 16:00:44 GMT
always a good answer to a perfectly reasonable question. Let's just say I don't know where to start with you. Beyond help.
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Post by Royal Donut on Jul 25, 2021 17:25:45 GMT
Imagine not having Facebook, and you can get information from somewhere else, no you can't... This thread gets better 🤣 let me guess. He is down as a Dr, from california that goes spouting about what he has 1st hand knowledge of, that covid is a big conspiracy, the vaccines will turn us all into zombies obeying China. But wait. There's now a built in delay within the vaccine that doesn't kick in for about a year now that most of us have had it and it hasn't turned us all yet..... Oh stop it now you're giving me stitch. Funny you should say that my nan refused a certain pill(in 1960) to stop her been sick during pregnancy with my mum, what a fool she was.
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Post by yyy on Jul 25, 2021 20:34:48 GMT
Imagine believing the media and defending them on here. Case closed. Imagine reading a Google search or a Facebook page. Imagine willingly letting your government terrifying you so much of a virus with a 99.999999% survival rate you'll willingly give up your freedoms and let them change Great Britain which is a free country ( a well earned free country that people went to war and died for) into a communist China replica where your whole sorry existence is governed by permissions and restrictions. Absolute mugs. A fcking disgrace.
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Post by stokemark on Jul 25, 2021 20:48:44 GMT
Imagine reading a Google search or a Facebook page. Imagine willingly letting your government terrifying you so much of a virus with a 99.999999% survival rate you'll willingly give up your freedoms and let them change Great Britain which is a free country ( a well earned free country that people went to war and died for) into a communist China replica where your whole sorry existence is governed by permissions and restrictions. Absolute mugs. A fcking disgrace. YYY indeed Hysterical claptrap in a time where level heads, concern for others and a dose of common sense seems desperately lacking in what is thankfully is a minority of bed wetters
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Post by keasie1863 on Jul 25, 2021 22:20:00 GMT
Imagine willingly letting your government terrifying you so much of a virus with a 99.999999% survival rate you'll willingly give up your freedoms and let them change Great Britain which is a free country ( a well earned free country that people went to war and died for) into a communist China replica where your whole sorry existence is governed by permissions and restrictions. Absolute mugs. A fcking disgrace. YYY indeed Hysterical claptrap in a time where level heads, concern for others and a dose of common sense seems desperately lacking in what is thankfully is a minority of bed wetters Oh dear,another programmed sheeple, run along with your flock.dont you dare have an individual thought.only think of the collective.remind you of anything?
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Post by liamo on Jul 25, 2021 22:35:25 GMT
Imagine reading a Google search or a Facebook page. Imagine willingly letting your government terrifying you so much of a virus with a 99.999999% survival rate you'll willingly give up your freedoms and let them change Great Britain which is a free country ( a well earned free country that people went to war and died for) into a communist China replica where your whole sorry existence is governed by permissions and restrictions. Absolute mugs. A fcking disgrace. Those people that went to war also had mandatory vaccinations… the fact that you’re even using people who died for our freedom to justify you being scared of a couple of little needles is disgusting They fought fascists, they fought tyranny, you’re fighting scientific advice, grow up and stop pretending you’re on some noble journey Also, the heroes that fought ww2 are all 80+ and most at risk from you being selfish and not getting the vaccine, how does that sit with you oh brave freedom warrior? The nazis couldn’t kill them but you breathing on them might do the job
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