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Post by malteser68 on Feb 28, 2021 16:47:57 GMT
What is this fixation at Stoke with wanting only British managers and British players. No other team in the championship that matters or in the premier league has an all-British squad like us. Now this is not meant to denigrate British players at all and it’s good to have a backbone of British players but it is undeniable that all other teams vying for promotion have a mix of continental players which add some flair to their play, something which is completely absent in our player which for most of the time is really really hard to stomach. And almost all the teams which are in pole position for promotion have continental managers who actually play football. O’Neil is a dinosaur in footballing terms and his claim to fame was managing to park the bus with N Ireland against much better opposition and snatching the odd goal from set plays. Certainly not the man to take us up
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Post by theoptimist on Feb 28, 2021 17:02:49 GMT
Agree with all that.
Cue the pedant who will no doubtaly mention Mikel. The bloke has served a full career in UK before being admitted!
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 28, 2021 17:17:52 GMT
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007–08_Stoke_City_F.C._seasonOnly 2 substitute appearances for a player transferred from abroad (Phillips). Not many foreign players in the squad, only Fuller and Sidibe played most games with Zakuani, Pericard, Diao, Phillips and Ameobi not contributing an awful lot of game time. Both Fuller and Sidibe played the vast majority of their careers in Britain. It may be 13 years ago but we were promoted with that squad. Post-Brexit recruitment of foreign players from abroad, which means most players abroad considering the lack of British players abroad, will be difficult because of the rules which means that the home grown proportion of squads will grow. We had our chance to enhance our scouting abroad during our PL years and failed miserably through arrogance and laziness. That being said, our recruitment of home-grown players has been just as abysmal lately!
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Post by samuel32 on Feb 28, 2021 17:18:00 GMT
Mentioned this a few weeks ago. Someone told me it’s harder to sign foreign players because of Brexit. It’s harder but not impossible.
We’ve clearly been burnt by signing Imbula, Ndiaye & Wimmer and a few others, but if you do your due diligence on character etc there’s no reason why we can’t find a gem. Our current strategy of signing young hungry players is understandable given our circumstances, but it shouldn’t be at the expense of completely ignoring foreign talent.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Feb 28, 2021 17:28:31 GMT
Mentioned this a few weeks ago. Someone told me it’s harder to sign foreign players because of Brexit. It’s harder but not impossible. We’ve clearly been burnt by signing Imbula, Ndiaye & Wimmer and a few others, but if you do your due diligence on character etc there’s no reason why we can’t find a gem. Our current strategy of signing young hungry players is understandable given our circumstances, but it shouldn’t be at the expense of completely ignoring foreign talent. Are other clubs not signing foreign players then? |
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Post by samuel32 on Feb 28, 2021 17:56:57 GMT
Mentioned this a few weeks ago. Someone told me it’s harder to sign foreign players because of Brexit. It’s harder but not impossible. We’ve clearly been burnt by signing Imbula, Ndiaye & Wimmer and a few others, but if you do your due diligence on character etc there’s no reason why we can’t find a gem. Our current strategy of signing young hungry players is understandable given our circumstances, but it shouldn’t be at the expense of completely ignoring foreign talent. Are other clubs not signing foreign players then? They are, yes. Was making the point that we should be looking at them as well |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 28, 2021 18:36:03 GMT
Was discussing this earlier on the recruitment thread. worldfootballindex.com/2020/12/work-permits-premier-league-post-brexit-english-clubs-efl-libertadores/Looks like there's a possible path to the 15 required points for players from leagues that have been labelled Band 2 (Turkey, Belgium, Portugal, Holland) and a slightly trickier path for Band 3 (Russia, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico), provided the player has played a big % of minutes. But anything below that in 4 or 5 seems to be very tricky unless they get the big points on offer for being a regular for a top 50 nation. Band 4 (Czech Rep, Croatia, Switzerland, Spain 2, Germany 2 and France 2, Ukraine, Greece, Colombia, MLS, Austria) Band 5 (Serbia, Denmark, Poland, Slovenia, Chile, Uruguay, China) |
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Post by Jimm on Feb 28, 2021 19:23:06 GMT
Squad of British plodders with no creativity or pace and a manager that suits :)
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Post by a on Feb 28, 2021 19:49:55 GMT
What is this fixation at Stoke with wanting only British managers and British players. No other team in the championship that matters or in the premier league has an all-British squad like us. Now this is not meant to denigrate British players at all and it’s good to have a backbone of British players but it is undeniable that all other teams vying for promotion have a mix of continental players which add some flair to their play, something which is completely absent in our player which for most of the time is really really hard to stomach. And almost all the teams which are in pole position for promotion have continental managers who actually play football. O’Neil is a dinosaur in footballing terms and his claim to fame was managing to park the bus with N Ireland against much better opposition and snatching the odd goal from set plays. Certainly not the man to take us up Siri, what is a paragraph |
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 28, 2021 19:54:01 GMT
It will be interesting to see how many European players come into the Championship in the next transfer window post Brexit.
It seems like its probably going to be easier for a Championship team to get a work permit for a South American footballer than Europe, unless a European player is playing in either the Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A and Ligue 1 & wants to play at Championship level. It will be more difficult to get players from other European leagues. Those 4 are the Leagues where players should be able to get enough points for a work permit. If someone is a regular international it should also be no problem.
The regulations for South American players has been eased but then there is the issues around a player settling into a very different culture and environment.
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 28, 2021 20:39:12 GMT
It will be interesting to see how many European players come into the Championship in the next transfer window post Brexit. It seems like its probably going to be easier for a Championship team to get a work permit for a South American footballer than Europe, unless a European player is playing in either the Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A and Ligue 1 & wants to play at Championship level. It will be more difficult to get players from other European leagues. Those 4 are the Leagues where players should be able to get enough points for a work permit. If someone is a regular international it should also be no problem. The regulations for South American players has been eased but then there is the issues around a player settling into a very different culture and environment. The favelas aren't that different to Burslem. I'm sure they could cope. |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 28, 2021 21:27:53 GMT
Mentioned this a few weeks ago. Someone told me it’s harder to sign foreign players because of Brexit. It’s harder but not impossible. We’ve clearly been burnt by signing Imbula, Ndiaye & Wimmer and a few others, but if you do your due diligence on character etc there’s no reason why we can’t find a gem. Our current strategy of signing young hungry players is understandable given our circumstances, but it shouldn’t be at the expense of completely ignoring foreign talent. There is the key due diligence ! apparently Tony Teflon carries out our due diligence which would explain an awful lot about the reason we keep signing awful footballers |
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Post by peterpan1 on Feb 28, 2021 21:36:15 GMT
Squad of British plodders with no creativity or pace and a manager that suits  Unfortunately the above all equates to mid table mediocrity. |
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 28, 2021 21:39:10 GMT
Who cares?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 4:20:39 GMT
Nathan Collins isn't British or Blondy
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Post by firfuxache on Mar 1, 2021 9:00:31 GMT
Said this before. The Coates family for all their work at the club is undone by no looking at the foreign market in regards managers. The last time we had a foreign manager was 30th April 2005, one Johan Boskamp, under the Icelandic stewardship. Whatever their reasons the Coates family don’t seem to want to advocate anything but British coaches being given the chance to manage us.
As for players, many have alluded to the fact that the recent bad apples (Wimmer, N’diaye, Imbula) and to a lesser extent the Bangoura. The ones that have made a difference (Siggurdsson, Shtaniuk) seem to have been forgotten.
Pragmatic approaches need to taken now so that we can mix it with the challengers of this league or we’re in real danger of stagnating and being left too far behind.
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Post by Gods on Mar 1, 2021 10:48:34 GMT
Nathan Collins isn't British or Blondy Nathan is a good call, an exotic foreigner who has featured quite a bit. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 1, 2021 10:49:40 GMT
It's what the people of Stoke would want.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 1, 2021 10:51:20 GMT
Was discussing this earlier on the recruitment thread. worldfootballindex.com/2020/12/work-permits-premier-league-post-brexit-english-clubs-efl-libertadores/Looks like there's a possible path to the 15 required points for players from leagues that have been labelled Band 2 (Turkey, Belgium, Portugal, Holland) and a slightly trickier path for Band 3 (Russia, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico), provided the player has played a big % of minutes. But anything below that in 4 or 5 seems to be very tricky unless they get the big points on offer for being a regular for a top 50 nation. Band 4 (Czech Rep, Croatia, Switzerland, Spain 2, Germany 2 and France 2, Ukraine, Greece, Colombia, MLS, Austria) Band 5 (Serbia, Denmark, Poland, Slovenia, Chile, Uruguay, China) I fucking hate Brexit anyway but what a load of bollocks this is. |
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Post by jonnybravo on Mar 1, 2021 10:59:09 GMT
If stoke was any other type of business with the same mentality it would classed as a brexit party business
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 11:26:21 GMT
Bloody foreigners, coming over here & taking all our first-team squad places.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 1, 2021 13:31:51 GMT
It's what the people of Stoke would want. Yup this is pretty much what many of them have been pining for. |
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Post by phileetin on Mar 1, 2021 14:45:57 GMT
I think the people of stoke would like a side that was similar to the one that won the league cup .
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Post by theoptimist on Mar 1, 2021 14:48:58 GMT
I think the people of stoke would like a side that was similar to the one that won the league cup . Agreed, but that was almost half a century ago. The world has changed, even in most of Stoke-On-Trent 😀 |
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Post by J-Roar on Mar 1, 2021 17:17:11 GMT
I think the people of stoke would like a side that was similar to the one that won the league cup . Agreed, but that was almost half a century ago. The world has changed, even in most of Stoke-On-Trent 😀 You're joking aren't you? |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 1, 2021 17:28:54 GMT
I think the people of stoke would like a side that was similar to the one that won the league cup . I’m not that ambitious, I’d settle for a team I could enjoy watching regardless of where they came from and whether they achieved honours. Is it really too much to ask? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 20:13:52 GMT
Nathan Collins isn't British or Blondy Nathan is a good call, an exotic foreigner who has featured quite a bit. you've obviously never sipped a Mai Tai and frolicked around in the deep blue, exotic ocean in Co Kildare |
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Post by stokesupporter on Mar 2, 2021 19:37:12 GMT
Souttar is Australian
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Post by theoptimist on Mar 2, 2021 19:43:25 GMT
Wrong. His mother is though.
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Post by stokesupporter on Mar 3, 2021 6:28:39 GMT
Wrong. His mother is though.
He's born in Australia and plays for Australia. That makes him more Australian than British. |
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