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Post by thevoid on Feb 13, 2021 19:16:10 GMT
It’s not fickle, we’ve been absolute shite for 3 months And some of the fans have been shite. You can't be a Stoke fan long if you think this is shit I've been going to Stoke since the late 80s and this is shit. Over to you.
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Post by houstonsteve on Feb 13, 2021 19:18:41 GMT
They will need to be cheap, British and know their station. MON gets to the end of the season to sort it out anyway for me.
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 13, 2021 19:20:03 GMT
Worryingly, our recent history shows that Rowett was possibly the best we've had in recent years. Our recruitment, of both players and managers has been woeful. Scholes and Coates jr have a lot to answer for Here is a big part of the problem. Our issues start much, much higher up the pyramid
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 13, 2021 19:20:56 GMT
It’s not fickle, we’ve been absolute shite for 3 months And some of the fans have been shite. You can't be a Stoke fan long if you think this is shit 🤣 alright mate
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 13, 2021 19:22:55 GMT
I understand that mate and I was in that camp. But you have you admit the results are terrible and even more worrying the performances are worse, a lot worse I agree results have not been good enough. I don't agree performances have reflected the mood on here. There's been a couple of really poor ones (today included) but we recently outplayed Reading and Blackburn for example. We're trying to play a more possession based style too. He's building for next year, I just think there's a massive overreaction right now. You say that but how long does this “over reaction” go on for. We’re in a massive rut
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 13, 2021 19:23:02 GMT
Alex Neil would fancy it you'd think. The situation here is still better than at Preston by the calibre of players on our books, which will always attract managers even if we know the reality from watching them. He's about to throw his CV in the ring by default if Lindsay continues his good form there. Nothing more attractive to owners than seeing other managers drag good performances out of players your current boss has deemed not good enough. Notice he has not long renewed his deal and had it changed to a 12 month rolling contract... Hmm. I don't see him as a massive upgrade though, do you? I think we've just got to accept our FFP-restricted medicine for a while. We can't really strengthen properly until we're out of its shackles. It's just loans and cheap gambles, not a winning recipe really. He's going to get criticism for Brown in the circumstances, which is obviously fair enough. The process of slow squad churn and coming out the other side is going to be a long one, whoever is in charge. It's hard to buy new players who are going to be part of a challenging team on the budget we'll have for the next year unless we cash in on Campbell or Collins In my opinion, MON has got loads more credit in the bank. It's easy to forget the hellhole we in when he took over and how much shite he's has to wade through to get some of the garbage out of the club, and he's still only about half way there, if that. Is it fair to say we were overachieving last season? Confidence was high, Campbell was flying at times and Powell was excelling. I really don't know anymore. Mikel has confused things massively, Allen has looked dreadful and Clucas has been a shadow of last season Is Allen finished? It'll take a lot of evidence for MON to be convinced - but it was always going to be a big ask for him to come back quickly from an achilles rupture at 30+. I hope he'll go back to Powell behind Fletcher, but I'm not holding my breath, as baffling as it seems. We're in a bit of a holding pattern - but I think MON deserves to be the one holding it for a long while yet. Agree Fuller - MON is up for criticism for sure but I also remember where we were last year. With FFP, we won't be exchanging our personnel for anyone exciting any time soon. Also agree with staffs post that Pep couldn't get a [promotion-earning] tune out of these guys. MON has been getting a tune, not a great one yet - but he's using a trumpet that's been run over by a lorry. On the Oatcake, only critiquing MON and not screaming for his head makes me a "happy clapper." Just like posting ANY opinion on Bojan or Pulis is nearly suicidal! But that's OK - it's one of the reasons I enjoy this forum. Some of the arguments can't be duplicated anywhere else! Lampard? All he did was borrow a rich man's Bentley and drive it for 18 months. That's not long enough to prove anything, good or bad. (And he wouldn't come here anyway) I guess...if our goal is to be playing at the division BELOW this then by all means - let's drag that old list out and change the manager... yet again... [sigh] Yeah that's really worked for us.
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Post by christhepotter on Feb 13, 2021 19:26:13 GMT
It’s not fickle, we’ve been absolute shite for 3 months And some of the fans have been shite. You can't be a Stoke fan long if you think this is shit I’ve been going 43 yrs and this is more than shit tbh
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Post by wearestoke80 on Feb 13, 2021 19:30:20 GMT
It’s not fickle, we’ve been absolute shite for 3 months And some of the fans have been shite. You can't be a Stoke fan long if you think this is shit How have they been Shite ? Because they have a different opinion to yours ? Fucking idiot
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Post by toad on Feb 13, 2021 19:32:01 GMT
I agree results have not been good enough. I don't agree performances have reflected the mood on here. There's been a couple of really poor ones (today included) but we recently outplayed Reading and Blackburn for example. We're trying to play a more possession based style too. He's building for next year, I just think there's a massive overreaction right now. You say that but how long does this “over reaction” go on for. We’re in a massive rut I'll be a lot more worried if we don't win in the next 3.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 13, 2021 19:33:13 GMT
Hmm. I don't see him as a massive upgrade though, do you? I think we've just got to accept our FFP-restricted medicine for a while. We can't really strengthen properly until we're out of its shackles. He's going tp get criticism for Brown in the circumstances, which is obviously fair enough. The process of slow squad churn and coming out the other side is going to be a long one, whoever is in charge. It's hard to buy new players who are going to be part of a challenging team on the budget we'll have for the next year unless we cash in on Campbell or Collins In my opinion, MON has got loads more credit in the bank. It's easy to forget the hellhole we in when he took over and how much shite he's has to wade through to get some of the garbage out of the club, and he's still only about half way there, if that. Is it fair to say we were overachieving last season? Confidence was high, Campbell was flying at times and Powell was excelling. I really don't know anymore. Mikel has confused things massively. Is Allen finished? It'll take a lot of evidence to be convinced - but it was always going to be a big ask for him to come back quickly from an achilles rupture at 30+. I hope he'll go back to Powell behind Fletcher, but I'm not holding my breath, as baffling as it seems. We're in a bit of a holding pattern - but I think MON deserves to be the one holding it for a long while yet. We're a Championship club though and we'll only ever attract Championship managers now. Regardless of who comes in and goes out, you'll only ever get a marginal upgrade unless you drop on a gem. That's just the lay of the land in a post parachute world. The idea at this level is to get a manager that extracts every last ounce out of the squad you have in the building at any one time and also one that can build from nothing and extracts every last bit of value out of the market, and whilst I'm genuinely not calling for his head, can you honestly say this manager is doing that this season? I see a manager, who yes is hamstrung somewhat with the current wage issues, who has cast aside squad players and replaced them with players who are not as good in some areas, play key players out of position and utilise key FFP money by bringing in loan players who are potential at best. I look at a manager like Neil, who has lost key players in key positions for pennies and is having to extract every last ounce out of players like Liam Lindsay, Ched Evans and Brad Potts! I look further afield at a manager like Paul Warne at Rotherham, who has got his squad to be technically the fittest team in the league to try and bridge a gap he has no right of bridging given his budget. I look at what Paul Cook achieved with Wigan last season. A cruel points deduction cost his promotion form Wigan a place in this league, yet he was getting top level Championship performances out of players like Nathan Byrne, Sam Morsy, Jamal Lowe, Kiefer Moore, Che Dunkley and Cedric Kipre. He single handedly turned Anthonee Robinson from a nobody in Everton reserves to a left back for AC Milan in 12 months, before injury stopped it. Like I say, I'm not calling for his head but I think if people open their eyes they will see the bigger picture. It's a pointless exercise though. If MON left tomorrow you could bet your house and home on them going for Neil Harris... 2 years ago you could have posted 'I look at Nathan Jones, who has taken Luton up 2 divisions with a fast-paced attacking diamond system that's seen them score *quotes number of goals*' Gary Rowett's done a decent job everywhere else but failed miserably here, Nathan Jones has been brilliant twice now at Luton yet was a disaster, MON saved us last year but is now struggling... This job, thanks to the financial situation we've created for ourselves, is an extremely difficult task that won't be solved by changing the manager at the first sign of trouble. Any of those guys you mention are going to have to work with the same bunch of players that have struggled to perform under 3 or 4 different managers, and as FM points out, they'll be restricted in exactly the same way that MON is in the transfer market. We desperately need a couple of wins just to stop this nonsense.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Feb 13, 2021 19:34:08 GMT
And some of the fans have been shite. You can't be a Stoke fan long if you think this is shit I've been going to Stoke since the late 80s and this is shit. Over to you. You would have seen a lot worse than this then
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 13, 2021 19:34:51 GMT
And some of the fans have been shite. You can't be a Stoke fan long if you think this is shit How have they been Shite ? Because they have a different opinion to yours ? Fucking idiot 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Post by peterpan1 on Feb 13, 2021 19:34:53 GMT
Definitely not fat Frank. I do think the game is passing us by however. The club's insistence on a British manager is severely hampering us. The likes of Bielsa brings a different way of thinking and approach to the game. Foreign players have not always worked for us (Wimmer, Etebo, Jese etc) but it's no coincidence that our most recent successful team included the likes of N'Zonzi, Arnautovic, Bojan & Shaq. We maybe hampered by FFP, but how do Norwich dig out the likes of Pukki and Beundia? I still sincerely hope O'Neil is successful, but until the hierarchy at the club take their blinkers off, we're in for a long slog.
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 13, 2021 19:38:16 GMT
If frank is fat then we all fucked
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Feb 13, 2021 19:39:22 GMT
And some of the fans have been shite. You can't be a Stoke fan long if you think this is shit How have they been Shite ? Because they have a different opinion to yours ? Fucking idiot Just read some of the posts. When the ground was open, the booing and moaning, if the team goes through a bad patch the attendance drops like a stone. Keep swearing sad case
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 13, 2021 19:40:18 GMT
Absolutely not.
We’ve improved under MON and he’s still got my backing. That being said he needs to learn from this season and make sure the recruitment is right in the summer.
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Post by bingbang on Feb 13, 2021 19:41:23 GMT
I would love to see Hughes back, on the understanding he was allowed to say what went on before. I know there were players recruited who he had no involvement with.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 13, 2021 19:41:44 GMT
We're a Championship club though and we'll only ever attract Championship managers now. Regardless of who comes in and goes out, you'll only ever get a marginal upgrade unless you drop on a gem. That's just the lay of the land in a post parachute world. The idea at this level is to get a manager that extracts every last ounce out of the squad you have in the building at any one time and also one that can build from nothing and extracts every last bit of value out of the market, and whilst I'm genuinely not calling for his head, can you honestly say this manager is doing that this season? I see a manager, who yes is hamstrung somewhat with the current wage issues, who has cast aside squad players and replaced them with players who are not as good in some areas, play key players out of position and utilise key FFP money by bringing in loan players who are potential at best. I look at a manager like Neil, who has lost key players in key positions for pennies and is having to extract every last ounce out of players like Liam Lindsay, Ched Evans and Brad Potts! I look further afield at a manager like Paul Warne at Rotherham, who has got his squad to be technically the fittest team in the league to try and bridge a gap he has no right of bridging given his budget. I look at what Paul Cook achieved with Wigan last season. A cruel points deduction cost his promotion form Wigan a place in this league, yet he was getting top level Championship performances out of players like Nathan Byrne, Sam Morsy, Jamal Lowe, Kiefer Moore, Che Dunkley and Cedric Kipre. He single handedly turned Anthonee Robinson from a nobody in Everton reserves to a left back for AC Milan in 12 months, before injury stopped it. Like I say, I'm not calling for his head but I think if people open their eyes they will see the bigger picture. It's a pointless exercise though. If MON left tomorrow you could bet your house and home on them going for Neil Harris... 2 years ago you could have posted 'I look at Nathan Jones, who has taken Luton up 2 divisions with a fast-paced attacking diamond system that's seen them score *quotes number of goals*' Gary Rowett's done a decent job everywhere else but failed miserably here, Nathan Jones has been brilliant twice now at Luton yet was a disaster, MON saved us last year but is now struggling... This job, thanks to the financial situation we've created for ourselves, is an extremely difficult task that won't be solved by changing the manager at the first sign of trouble. Any of those guys you mention are going to have to work with the same bunch of players that have struggled to perform under 3 or 4 different managers, and as FM points out, they'll be restricted in exactly the same way that MON is in the transfer market. We desperately need a couple of wins just to stop this nonsense. We just desperately need a couple of wins, regardless of this 'nonsense'.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Feb 13, 2021 19:43:24 GMT
How have they been Shite ? Because they have a different opinion to yours ? Fucking idiot Just read some of the posts. When the ground was open, the booing and moaning, if the team goes through a bad patch the attendance drops like a stone. Keep swearing sad case And what do expect after that shower? Cartwheels? They paid for their ticket they are entitled to boo clap or whatever the fuck they want.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2021 19:47:01 GMT
I would love to see Hughes back, on the understanding he was allowed to say what went on before. I know there were players recruited who he had no involvement with. He’s said pretty much the opposite.
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Post by bingbang on Feb 13, 2021 19:49:09 GMT
I would love to see Hughes back, on the understanding he was allowed to say what went on before. I know there were players recruited who he had no involvement with. He’s said pretty much the opposite. Ever thought they are given their pay off on the grounds they keep shtum. I bet there are things Toxic would like to say but can’t.
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Post by bingbang on Feb 13, 2021 19:50:27 GMT
Seems to me a certain Mr. Scholes is getting an easy ride again 😬
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 13, 2021 19:54:08 GMT
It was shit today. And I certainly didn't realise quite the extent Campbell's ability to get us goals and nose us in front at important times was carrying us. But he's nowhere near the sack. Not sure it's worth this type of thread The squad is distinctly average and no new manager will have the maneuverability with FFP to make drastic changes. Its average but we don't even look that right now, we could put a decent starting 11 together, even without Campbell we're better than we're seeing right now, sacraficing your best player for a shit system isn't good management and niether is dropping an inform midfielder for one of your favorites.
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Post by hughjarse on Feb 13, 2021 19:54:18 GMT
If we replace the manager it should be Paul Cook IMO. Lampard had a worse record at Derby than Rowett. As an outside bet I'd go for Paul Warne at Rotherham. Wow. Paul Warne over MON - is this how bad it's become ?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 13, 2021 19:54:41 GMT
Pep Guardiola couldn't get a tune out of the pile of crap we have playing for us. MON did, why is he so scared of going back to what was working?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2021 19:55:56 GMT
He’s said pretty much the opposite. Ever thought they are given their pay off on the grounds they keep shtum. I bet there are things Toxic would like to say but can’t. In which case he’d presumably do that and keep scthum rather than tacitly criticise the club for leaving too much of the recruitment to him, which is what he did when he went to Southampton?
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Post by hughjarse on Feb 13, 2021 19:57:11 GMT
My thinking on this ... Frank knows Harry redknapp , who knows Tony Pulis Tony Pulis will happily explain to them what he thinks of his Tony scholes There is no way Frank is coming to Stoke Hold on..... Tony Pulis knows Rory Delap. Rory Delap knows Liam Delap and Liam Delap knows Pep Guardiola .....hmmmm
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 13, 2021 19:57:20 GMT
He’s said pretty much the opposite. Ever thought they are given their pay off on the grounds they keep shtum. I bet there are things Toxic would like to say but can’t. So keep scthum then and not say they were your signings. Edit, beaten to it.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 13, 2021 19:58:10 GMT
And some of the fans have been shite. You can't be a Stoke fan long if you think this is shit How have they been Shite ? Because they have a different opinion to yours ? Fucking idiot Yep and Yep
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 13, 2021 20:02:58 GMT
How have they been Shite ? Because they have a different opinion to yours ? Fucking idiot Just read some of the posts. When the ground was open, the booing and moaning, if the team goes through a bad patch the attendance drops like a stone. Keep swearing sad case "And some of the fans have been shite.
You can't be a Stoke fan long if you think this is shit "
Keep swearing hypocrite.
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