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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 13, 2021 17:34:10 GMT
Pep Guardiola couldn't get a tune out of the pile of crap we have playing for us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 18:21:24 GMT
My thinking on this ... Frank knows Harry redknapp , who knows Tony Pulis Tony Pulis will happily explain to them what he thinks of his Tony scholes
There is no way Frank is coming to Stoke
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 13, 2021 18:21:41 GMT
I’d be very tempted.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 13, 2021 18:25:00 GMT
Paul Cook would suit us but I’d give MON a good few games yet.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 13, 2021 18:27:12 GMT
Does anyone think anyone of any calibre would be remotely interested with us in this FFP bind?
We'll be scrummaging down the back of the sofa for another 18 months yet.
There are about 5 or 6 decent players in the squad, and one of those is 34 next month and another will be coming back from serious injury next season - and we're no real position to change things around.
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Post by tejstokie on Feb 13, 2021 18:27:32 GMT
I wouldn't mind tbh. As long as job #1 is seeing Allen off in the summer. Frank knows what a midfielder should be doing. Also, with the current state of MON decisions, I'd rather one of those Yorkshire commentator blokes, they'd at least see it for what it is. Shite.
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Post by toad on Feb 13, 2021 18:28:29 GMT
No. We were looking doomed this time 12 months ago. We're now 10th. Lower your expectations, it will take another couple of windows before you can fairly judge the current manager.
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Post by loosestools on Feb 13, 2021 18:31:00 GMT
Paul Cook would suit us but I’d give MON a good few games yet. At least with somebody like Cook we would have the prospect of a run of entertaining games and some wins like he produced at Wigan. Why not?
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Post by march4 on Feb 13, 2021 18:32:11 GMT
I think Lampard now considers himself to be a Prem manager.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 13, 2021 18:33:50 GMT
Does anyone think anyone of any calibre would be remotely interested with us in this FFP bind? We'll be scrummaging down the back of the sofa for another 18 months yet. There are about 5 or 6 decent players in the squad, and one of those is 34 next month and another will be coming back from serious injury next season - and we're no real position to change things around. Alex Neil would fancy it you'd think. The situation here is still better than at Preston by the calibre of players on our books, which will always attract managers even if we know the reality from watching them. He's about to throw his CV in the ring by default if Lindsay continues his good form there. Nothing more attractive to owners than seeing other managers drag good performances out of players your current boss has deemed not good enough. Notice he has not long renewed his deal and had it changed to a 12 month rolling contract...
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Post by march4 on Feb 13, 2021 18:33:50 GMT
No. We were looking doomed this time 12 months ago. We're now 10th. Lower your expectations, it will take another couple of windows before you can fairly judge the current manager. We were told to give him three windows. He has had three windows. Unless he turns things round I can’t see him getting any more windows. We aren’t Everest Double Glazing!
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Post by PottersBrim on Feb 13, 2021 18:35:39 GMT
Worryingly, our recent history shows that Rowett was possibly the best we've had in recent years.
Our recruitment, of both players and managers has been woeful.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 13, 2021 18:37:38 GMT
Worryingly, our recent history shows that Rowett was possibly the best we've had in recent years. Our recruitment, of both players and managers has been woeful. Scholes and Coates jr have a lot to answer for
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Post by toad on Feb 13, 2021 18:39:59 GMT
No. We were looking doomed this time 12 months ago. We're now 10th. Lower your expectations, it will take another couple of windows before you can fairly judge the current manager. We were told to give him three windows. He has had three windows. Unless he turns things round I can’t see him getting any more windows. We aren’t Everest Double Glazing! Okay... In 3 windows we've gone from bottom of the league to 10th. Yet there seems to be no acknowledgement of that progress on here.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 13, 2021 18:41:28 GMT
No. We were looking doomed this time 12 months ago. We're now 10th. Lower your expectations, it will take another couple of windows before you can fairly judge the current manager. We were told to give him three windows. He has had three windows. Unless he turns things round I can’t see him getting any more windows. We aren’t Everest Double Glazing! Why do some people think the longer we are in this division the easier it will be to get out of it? Beats me.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 13, 2021 18:43:15 GMT
Does anyone think anyone of any calibre would be remotely interested with us in this FFP bind? We'll be scrummaging down the back of the sofa for another 18 months yet. There are about 5 or 6 decent players in the squad, and one of those is 34 next month and another will be coming back from serious injury next season - and we're no real position to change things around. Alex Neil would fancy it you'd think. The situation here is still better than at Preston by the calibre of players on our books, which will always attract managers even if we know the reality from watching them. He's about to throw his CV in the ring by default if Lindsay continues his good form there. Nothing more attractive to owners than seeing other managers drag good performances out of players your current boss has deemed not good enough. Notice he has not long renewed his deal and had it changed to a 12 month rolling contract... At least if Neil's interviews were boring you could just look at his cheek blemish.
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Post by stokie1947 on Feb 13, 2021 18:44:27 GMT
despite these pathetic performances and yes he deserves the sack i will be very surprised if he get's it the board will stick with him till at least a month into next season
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Feb 13, 2021 18:44:50 GMT
Eddie Howe.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Feb 13, 2021 18:46:28 GMT
If we failed to beat Sheff Wed or Luton, would he be under pressure. Never thought I would be saying that in November. He’s under pressure now, we’re too kind as supporters Fickle support, always has been
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 13, 2021 18:49:11 GMT
We were told to give him three windows. He has had three windows. Unless he turns things round I can’t see him getting any more windows. We aren’t Everest Double Glazing! Okay... In 3 windows we've gone from bottom of the league to 10th. Yet there seems to be no acknowledgement of that progress on here. I understand that mate and I was in that camp. But you have you admit the results are terrible and even more worrying the performances are worse, a lot worse
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 13, 2021 18:50:10 GMT
He’s under pressure now, we’re too kind as supporters Fickle support, always has been It’s not fickle, we’ve been absolute shite for 3 months
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2021 18:50:27 GMT
Worryingly, our recent history shows that Rowett was possibly the best we've had in recent years. Our recruitment, of both players and managers has been woeful. He really wasn’t.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 13, 2021 18:51:03 GMT
Does anyone think anyone of any calibre would be remotely interested with us in this FFP bind? We'll be scrummaging down the back of the sofa for another 18 months yet. There are about 5 or 6 decent players in the squad, and one of those is 34 next month and another will be coming back from serious injury next season - and we're no real position to change things around. Alex Neil would fancy it you'd think. The situation here is still better than at Preston by the calibre of players on our books, which will always attract managers even if we know the reality from watching them. He's about to throw his CV in the ring by default if Lindsay continues his good form there. Nothing more attractive to owners than seeing other managers drag good performances out of players your current boss has deemed not good enough. Notice he has not long renewed his deal and had it changed to a 12 month rolling contract... Hmm. I don't see him as a massive upgrade though, do you? I think we've just got to accept our FFP-restricted medicine for a while. We can't really strengthen properly until we're out of its shackles. It's just loans and cheap gambles, not a winning recipe really. He's going to get criticism for Brown in the circumstances, which is obviously fair enough. The process of slow squad churn and coming out the other side is going to be a long one, whoever is in charge. It's hard to buy new players who are going to be part of a challenging team on the budget we'll have for the next year unless we cash in on Campbell or Collins In my opinion, MON has got loads more credit in the bank. It's easy to forget the hellhole we in when he took over and how much shite he's has to wade through to get some of the garbage out of the club, and he's still only about half way there, if that. Is it fair to say we were overachieving last season? Confidence was high, Campbell was flying at times and Powell was excelling. I really don't know anymore. Mikel has confused things massively, Allen has looked dreadful and Clucas has been a shadow of last season Is Allen finished? It'll take a lot of evidence for MON to be convinced - but it was always going to be a big ask for him to come back quickly from an achilles rupture at 30+. I hope he'll go back to Powell behind Fletcher, but I'm not holding my breath, as baffling as it seems. We're in a bit of a holding pattern - but I think MON deserves to be the one holding it for a long while yet.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 13, 2021 18:51:13 GMT
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Post by loosestools on Feb 13, 2021 19:00:12 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 13, 2021 19:04:33 GMT
Alex Neil would fancy it you'd think. The situation here is still better than at Preston by the calibre of players on our books, which will always attract managers even if we know the reality from watching them. He's about to throw his CV in the ring by default if Lindsay continues his good form there. Nothing more attractive to owners than seeing other managers drag good performances out of players your current boss has deemed not good enough. Notice he has not long renewed his deal and had it changed to a 12 month rolling contract... Hmm. I don't see him as a massive upgrade though, do you? I think we've just got to accept our FFP-restricted medicine for a while. We can't really strengthen properly until we're out of its shackles. He's going tp get criticism for Brown in the circumstances, which is obviously fair enough. The process of slow squad churn and coming out the other side is going to be a long one, whoever is in charge. It's hard to buy new players who are going to be part of a challenging team on the budget we'll have for the next year unless we cash in on Campbell or Collins In my opinion, MON has got loads more credit in the bank. It's easy to forget the hellhole we in when he took over and how much shite he's has to wade through to get some of the garbage out of the club, and he's still only about half way there, if that. Is it fair to say we were overachieving last season? Confidence was high, Campbell was flying at times and Powell was excelling. I really don't know anymore. Mikel has confused things massively. Is Allen finished? It'll take a lot of evidence to be convinced - but it was always going to be a big ask for him to come back quickly from an achilles rupture at 30+. I hope he'll go back to Powell behind Fletcher, but I'm not holding my breath, as baffling as it seems. We're in a bit of a holding pattern - but I think MON deserves to be the one holding it for a long while yet. We're a Championship club though and we'll only ever attract Championship managers now. Regardless of who comes in and goes out, you'll only ever get a marginal upgrade unless you drop on a gem. That's just the lay of the land in a post parachute world. The idea at this level is to get a manager that extracts every last ounce out of the squad you have in the building at any one time and also one that can build from nothing and extracts every last bit of value out of the market, and whilst I'm genuinely not calling for his head, can you honestly say this manager is doing that this season? I see a manager, who yes is hamstrung somewhat with the current wage issues, who has cast aside squad players and replaced them with players who are not as good in some areas, play key players out of position and utilise key FFP money by bringing in loan players who are potential at best. I look at a manager like Neil, who has lost key players in key positions for pennies and is having to extract every last ounce out of players like Liam Lindsay, Ched Evans and Brad Potts! I look further afield at a manager like Paul Warne at Rotherham, who has got his squad to be technically the fittest team in the league to try and bridge a gap he has no right of bridging given his budget. I look at what Paul Cook achieved with Wigan last season. A cruel points deduction cost his promotion form Wigan a place in this league, yet he was getting top level Championship performances out of players like Nathan Byrne, Sam Morsy, Jamal Lowe, Kiefer Moore, Che Dunkley and Cedric Kipre. He single handedly turned Anthonee Robinson from a nobody in Everton reserves to a left back for AC Milan in 12 months, before injury stopped it. Like I say, I'm not calling for his head but I think if people open their eyes they will see the bigger picture. It's a pointless exercise though. If MON left tomorrow you could bet your house and home on them going for Neil Harris...
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Feb 13, 2021 19:06:12 GMT
Fickle support, always has been It’s not fickle, we’ve been absolute shite for 3 months And some of the fans have been shite. You can't be a Stoke fan long if you think this is shit
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Post by RF10 on Feb 13, 2021 19:08:38 GMT
MoN will get us winning.
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Post by toad on Feb 13, 2021 19:09:25 GMT
Okay... In 3 windows we've gone from bottom of the league to 10th. Yet there seems to be no acknowledgement of that progress on here. I understand that mate and I was in that camp. But you have you admit the results are terrible and even more worrying the performances are worse, a lot worse I agree results have not been good enough. I don't agree performances have reflected the mood on here. There's been a couple of really poor ones (today included) but we recently outplayed Reading and Blackburn for example. We're trying to play a more possession based style too. He's building for next year, I just think there's a massive overreaction right now.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 13, 2021 19:14:18 GMT
Hmm. I don't see him as a massive upgrade though, do you? I think we've just got to accept our FFP-restricted medicine for a while. We can't really strengthen properly until we're out of its shackles. He's going tp get criticism for Brown in the circumstances, which is obviously fair enough. The process of slow squad churn and coming out the other side is going to be a long one, whoever is in charge. It's hard to buy new players who are going to be part of a challenging team on the budget we'll have for the next year unless we cash in on Campbell or Collins In my opinion, MON has got loads more credit in the bank. It's easy to forget the hellhole we in when he took over and how much shite he's has to wade through to get some of the garbage out of the club, and he's still only about half way there, if that. Is it fair to say we were overachieving last season? Confidence was high, Campbell was flying at times and Powell was excelling. I really don't know anymore. Mikel has confused things massively. Is Allen finished? It'll take a lot of evidence to be convinced - but it was always going to be a big ask for him to come back quickly from an achilles rupture at 30+. I hope he'll go back to Powell behind Fletcher, but I'm not holding my breath, as baffling as it seems. We're in a bit of a holding pattern - but I think MON deserves to be the one holding it for a long while yet. We're a Championship club though and we'll only ever attract Championship managers now. Regardless of who comes in and goes out, you'll only ever get a marginal upgrade unless you drop on a gem. That's just the lay of the land in a post parachute world. The idea at this level is to get a manager that extracts every last ounce out of the squad you have in the building at any one time and also one that can build from nothing and extracts everyblast bit of value out of the market, and whilst I'm genuinely not calling for his head, can you honestly say this manager is doing that this season? I see a manager, who yes is hamstrung somewhat with the current wage issues, who has cast aside squad players and replace them with players who are not as good in some areas, play key players out of position and utilise key FFP money by bringing in loan players who are potential at best. I look at a manager like Neil, who has lost key players in key positions for pennies and is having to extract every last ounce out of players like Liam Lindsay, Ched Evans and Brad Potts! I look further afield at a manager like Paul Warne at Rotherham, who has got his squad to be technically then fittest team in the league to try and bridge a gap he has no right of bridging given his budget. I look at what Paul Cook achieved with Wigan last season. A cruel points deduction cost his promotion form Wigan a place in this league, yet he was getting top level Championship performances out of players like Nathan Byrne, Sam Morsy, Jamal Lowe, Kiefer Moore, Che Dunkley and Cedric Kipre. He single handedly turned Anthonee Robinson from a nobody in Everton reserves to a left back for AC Milan in 12 months. Like I say, I'm not calling for his head but I think if people open their eyes they will see the bigger picture. It's a pointless exercise though. If MON left tomorrow you could bet your house and home on them going for Neil Harris... Yeah, those are all good points. I could certainly see the sense in Paul Cook if the axe did for some reason fall some time soon, although Neil was obviously very much the No.1 choice last time, so who knows? He ticks all their boxes. I think the main attraction of Clarke and Matondo were their cheap-as-chipsness and it's hard to be too critical of MON's business until we know exactly how closely we're nudging up against the absolute limits of FFP (and we have got Doughty to come in, in a couple of months, who could be another key addition as we go forward). MON is rightly going to get severe criticism if the football continues to be as utterly devoid of anything as it has been since Christmas. Hopefully he'll be forced to go back to Powell behind the striker, and hopefully that's the panacea we've been looking for to unlock things (but sadly I fear it won't be!)
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