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Post by loosestools on Feb 13, 2021 18:23:08 GMT
I agree with the sentiment that we are a team in transition and MON still has credit in the bank with me as we would be playing Peterborough today in all likelihood without him. However, the thing with teams in transition, work in progress etc is that they rebuild over time which takes shrewdness in the transfer market and also quite a bit of cash. I think the obstacles to rebuilding are that if we are hampered by FFP, it will be for more than one transfer window. In the summer we may have to settle for our second choice in Fox at LB as we'll never sign RND, there is clearly an issue in midfield and ageing players, Fletcher will be a year older as well, we don't have a proper RB that the manager trusts and both the young wide players are on loan and won't be here. All of which cost money to sort, which we can't spend. If I read the terms 'team in transition' and credit in the bank ' once more I might just flip.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 13, 2021 18:28:55 GMT
If you had to drop one of Allen or Clucas, who would you drop? Allen Me too. I thought Clucas was the best of the bad bunch in midfield today
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 13, 2021 18:30:02 GMT
Each of the last four managers have lost their job before the penny has dropped for them on Allen. If he's fit, he'll start next match. If you had to drop one of Allen or Clucas, who would you drop? A bollock 🤪
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 13, 2021 18:31:21 GMT
I agree with the sentiment that we are a team in transition and MON still has credit in the bank with me as we would be playing Peterborough today in all likelihood without him. However, the thing with teams in transition, work in progress etc is that they rebuild over time which takes shrewdness in the transfer market and also quite a bit of cash. I think the obstacles to rebuilding are that if we are hampered by FFP, it will be for more than one transfer window. In the summer we may have to settle for our second choice in Fox at LB as we'll never sign RND, there is clearly an issue in midfield and ageing players, Fletcher will be a year older as well, we don't have a proper RB that the manager trusts and both the young wide players are on loan and won't be here. All of which cost money to sort, which we can't spend. Summer 2022 will be when we are able to compete in the transfer market. Before then the only option is to sell Collins and/or Campbell to generate cash.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 13, 2021 18:32:50 GMT
Can MON please cheer us up by getting Bojan back?
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Post by loosestools on Feb 13, 2021 18:40:29 GMT
Can MON please cheer us up by getting Bojan back? He would be a wasted player within an uninspiring management set up and in an awful team set up.
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Post by thehoof on Feb 13, 2021 18:46:10 GMT
If you had to drop one of Allen or Clucas, who would you drop? Allen Both of them and the statue that is Mikel. Replace them with Cousins, Thompson and Powell. Fletcher, Brown ( only because he moves whereas Rabbi is utterly clueless) and Clarke/ McLean upfront.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 13, 2021 19:00:29 GMT
If you had to drop one of Allen or Clucas, who would you drop? Allen Offers more than Clucas currently.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 13, 2021 19:40:00 GMT
We were and as I keep saying he needs to drop this god awful system and go back to the set up that saw us in great form and kept us up, its bizarre he's so unwilling to do it. This is true. We are not as good as we we were at the end of last season. His “improvements” seem to have made us worse. Impossible to imagine us scoring last season’s 3, 4 or 5 goals against anybody now. The defensive improvement we traded for the scoring success is also disintegrating fast. He needs to try something different or we’ll be rapidly overtaken. Somebody has pointed out that relegated Hull had the same number of points from the same number of games this time last season. That sounds like a timely warning. Nothing can be taken for granted. I can't get my head around it, injuries have taken their tole, I can understand that argument to a point but we were missing one player today and maybe a rightback from what the manager would probably consider his strongest team and we looked awful, not in the game at any point. As you say something needs to change, he needs to have a serious rethink.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 13, 2021 19:44:22 GMT
We just don’t have the players to content for promotion and the manager pretty much admitted it in the pre-match press conference. This is a 3-5 year work in progress.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 13, 2021 19:51:00 GMT
Offers more than Clucas currently. You asked a very specific question and I answered it. Personally, I wouldn't play either of them.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 13, 2021 20:11:12 GMT
Offers more than Clucas currently. You asked a very specific question and I answered it. Personally, I wouldn't play either of them. What would your midfield look like Paul?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 13, 2021 20:19:56 GMT
You asked a very specific question and I answered it. Personally, I wouldn't play either of them. What would your midfield look like Paul? 4231 With Powell playing as a number 10 in front of Mikel and Cousins. Cousins would sit.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 13, 2021 20:27:22 GMT
What would your midfield look like Paul? 4231 With Powell playing as a number 10 in front of Mikel and Cousins. Cousins would sit. Can't argue with that although I may be tempted to go with Thompson instead of Mikel to provide a bit more energy.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 13, 2021 20:30:27 GMT
4231 With Powell playing as a number 10 in front of Mikel and Cousins. Cousins would sit. Can't argue with that although I may be tempted to go with Thompson instead of Mikel to provide a bit more energy. Yes that would be my first alternative too. I nearly typed Mikel/Thompson but didn't want to appear a bit ambiguous.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 20:45:16 GMT
With still only 7 pts off the play off places - I think its just a season of managing expectations by all concerned - Stoke to finish around 7 to 10pts off the play offs. For that statement to have any validity it would require that we actually won games. We have won a game, 1 in 15 games...
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Post by thehoof on Feb 13, 2021 20:47:48 GMT
What would your midfield look like Paul? 4231 With Powell playing as a number 10 in front of Mikel and Cousins. Cousins would sit. What does Mikel actually offer? He created the goal at Preston and that’s it. He’s okay when the game is played at a slow pace and he's given time to play it sideways or 3 or 4 yards forward; the moment he has to up a gear, he simply can’t do it. Look at today’s first goal- as Cantrell comes into the box, Mikel is within touching distance - over the next 5 yards, Mikel loses 3 yards on Cantwell. He is absolutely busted now as a player.
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Post by barnscfc1 on Feb 13, 2021 20:52:11 GMT
4231 With Powell playing as a number 10 in front of Mikel and Cousins. Cousins would sit. What does Mikel actually offer? He created the goal at Preston and that’s it. He’s okay when the game is played at a slow pace and he's given time to play it sideways or 3 or 4 yards forward; the moment he has to up a gear, he simply can’t do it. Look at today’s first goal- as Cantrell comes into the box, Mikel is within touching distance - over the next 5 yards, Mikel loses 3 yards on Cantwell. He is absolutely busted now as a player. it reminds me of Fletcher from WBA, great player in his day, a busted flush now...
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Post by karl on Feb 13, 2021 22:40:49 GMT
Too many players form has dropped. The only possitive is Powell's goal return.
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Post by independent on Feb 14, 2021 3:39:43 GMT
Too many players form has dropped. The only possitive is Powell's goal return. How many players have played well this season? We've tried different formations, combinations etc.etc. Everyone on this forum suggests a variety of team selections which will magically result in the same players suddenly looking a million dollars and becoming world beaters. Dream on. We've been offering players to clubs anywhere in the world for the last two years and can't get them off our hands. Even PreCovid we couldn't get clubs to take them on loan and just pay their wages. With a bit of luck we'll be able to get rid of 6 or 7 this year whose contracts are up. But it will be June 2022 when 19 players contracts are up that we will be able to make the changes that we need, and be clear of FFP. Even then we will be paying 2.5 million in wages for another year to a couple of players who will never kick a ball for us. With no parachute money next year it's going to be very difficult to stay within FFP rules without selling a player or two that we wish to keep. Hopefully we can manage that. MON worked in finance and knew the situation when he took the job. I am amazed that he was willing to manage the club with the restrictions that he had to work under, knowing that it would be June 2022 before he could start to build a team of his own. He must have thought that he would be able to sell a few players or at least get them off the wage bill. There are a lot of unemployed footballers at the moment and there will be a hell of a lot more in 4 months time. We have to hope that the contracts that we don't renew will enable us to sign a couple of decent players on wages we can afford. Either way next season is likely to be a slog. The accounts due shortly will be very interesting.
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 14, 2021 8:46:31 GMT
Too many players form has dropped. The only possitive is Powell's goal return. How many players have played well this season? We've tried different formations, combinations etc.etc. Everyone on this forum suggests a variety of team selections which will magically result in the same players suddenly looking a million dollars and becoming world beaters. Dream on. We've been offering players to clubs anywhere in the world for the last two years and can't get them off our hands. Even PreCovid we couldn't get clubs to take them on loan and just pay their wages. With a bit of luck we'll be able to get rid of 6 or 7 this year whose contracts are up. But it will be June 2022 when 19 players contracts are up that we will be able to make the changes that we need, and be clear of FFP. Even then we will be paying 2.5 million in wages for another year to a couple of players who will never kick a ball for us. With no parachute money next year it's going to be very difficult to stay within FFP rules without selling a player or two that we wish to keep. Hopefully we can manage that. MON worked in finance and knew the situation when he took the job. I am amazed that he was willing to manage the club with the restrictions that he had to work under, knowing that it would be June 2022 before he could start to build a team of his own. He must have thought that he would be able to sell a few players or at least get them off the wage bill. There are a lot of unemployed footballers at the moment and there will be a hell of a lot more in 4 months time. We have to hope that the contracts that we don't renew will enable us to sign a couple of decent players on wages we can afford. Either way next season is likely to be a slog. The accounts due shortly will be very interesting. He’s on £1.6 million a year it’s a no brainer
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 14, 2021 9:53:53 GMT
I've stopped looking up the table, I'm now watching over my shoulder! Ty's injury is simply not the only reason for our slide! What's happened!?
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 14, 2021 11:09:38 GMT
I've stopped looking up the table, I'm now watching over my shoulder! Ty's injury is simply not the only reason for our slide! What's happened!? I'm sure most could see that our position was a false one? We scored way over the average shots per goal ratio, limiting oppositions but creating nothing. But it's now Burnside or even shifted the other way, we continue to create little but concede far too many against most teams (chances). We also don't save many. The club are not prepared for the premier League in any way. Dare I say that we never were, we certainly have not kept with the changing trends and times in football.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 11:23:39 GMT
Too many players form has dropped. The only possitive is Powell's goal return. How many players have played well this season? We've tried different formations, combinations etc.etc. Everyone on this forum suggests a variety of team selections which will magically result in the same players suddenly looking a million dollars and becoming world beaters. Dream on. We've been offering players to clubs anywhere in the world for the last two years and can't get them off our hands. Even PreCovid we couldn't get clubs to take them on loan and just pay their wages. With a bit of luck we'll be able to get rid of 6 or 7 this year whose contracts are up. But it will be June 2022 when 19 players contracts are up that we will be able to make the changes that we need, and be clear of FFP. Even then we will be paying 2.5 million in wages for another year to a couple of players who will never kick a ball for us. With no parachute money next year it's going to be very difficult to stay within FFP rules without selling a player or two that we wish to keep. Hopefully we can manage that. MON worked in finance and knew the situation when he took the job. I am amazed that he was willing to manage the club with the restrictions that he had to work under, knowing that it would be June 2022 before he could start to build a team of his own. He must have thought that he would be able to sell a few players or at least get them off the wage bill. There are a lot of unemployed footballers at the moment and there will be a hell of a lot more in 4 months time. We have to hope that the contracts that we don't renew will enable us to sign a couple of decent players on wages we can afford. Either way next season is likely to be a slog. The accounts due shortly will be very interesting. You can't say that he hasn't started building a team, with his own players. What you can say is that his "own" players haven't been very good.
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Post by marylandstoke on Feb 14, 2021 18:04:45 GMT
Ugh
Just saw the “highlights” guessing we were even worse than they gave us credit for?
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Post by stokemark on Feb 15, 2021 9:50:45 GMT
I wonder if MON has a football mentor ? I think that, despite his age, the issue is lack of experience at this level and he needs a helping hand.
He is a good manager and if supported and helped properly (ie. not by Tony Schioes or Jon Coates) he can succeed but I think he needs help and the question is is he brave enough to admit it himself.
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Post by meirman61 on Feb 18, 2021 1:26:04 GMT
That was one of the weirdest games I have ever seen. Norwich impressive in the final third but poor at the back. We had enough opportunities to develop into goal scoring situations ( many as a result of Norwich mistakes) but had no idea how to take advantage. We just seem to lack football intelligence, unbelievable at times. Unless they strengthen at the back they'll be going the same way as before and straight back down
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