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Post by andyapotter on Jan 30, 2021 23:16:36 GMT
7.0 Decent starting 11, decent subs. Don't know why we didn't start well, but improved. Was looking forward to the second half until the crazy sending off. Feels like we aren't far of being a decent side. Been feeling like that for a while though.
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Post by citynickscfc on Jan 30, 2021 23:18:01 GMT
7.0 Decent starting 11, decent subs. Don't know why we didn't start well, but improved. Was looking forward to the second half until the crazy sending off. Feels like we aren't far of being a decent side. Been feeling like that for a while though. Didn't you feel like our midfield had absolutely no control over the game? And the wingers didn't know if they were meant to attack or defend?
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Post by lstokie on Jan 31, 2021 0:22:17 GMT
1 from me. The sending off was harsh but it would have been easy for the ref to give at least one of the second half penalties. We were woefull for the first 30 minutes. We offer nothing upfront. This is so poor and the worst I’ve seen for so long. How is Jacob brown an option up front on his own. This is poor but it is nowhere near as bad as the majority of performances under both Rowett and Jones
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 31, 2021 0:30:55 GMT
1 from me. The sending off was harsh but it would have been easy for the ref to give at least one of the second half penalties. We were woefull for the first 30 minutes. We offer nothing upfront. This is so poor and the worst I’ve seen for so long. How is Jacob brown an option up front on his own. This is poor but it is nowhere near as bad as the majority of performances under both Rowett and Jones What if we rated him with comparisons to some of our better managers of the past? You're just being ridiculous
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Post by femark on Jan 31, 2021 0:33:44 GMT
4 Awful starting team and going for the draw again. You occasionally have some good things to say but you have a real habit of counteracting them with absolutely idiotic comments
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Post by kustokie on Jan 31, 2021 0:36:59 GMT
He can only play the cards he’s dealt. Without Powell and Campbell, it’s fairl slim pickings. We would have probably won if not for the rash tackle rash ND. Same thing with Chester two weeks ago, which also cost us another 2 points. Can’t really blame the manager for those things. Even without Powell I don’t see what Allen offers and should be dropped. For that reason alone, I’d give him 5.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 31, 2021 1:27:56 GMT
4 Awful starting team and going for the draw again. You occasionally have some good things to say but you have a real habit of counteracting them with absolutely idiotic comments Today was fucking awful. The first half was as bad a half of football we’ve produced since we got relegated. The sending off saved him really because it allowed the shite negative play he set up for to be tolerated.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 31, 2021 2:11:21 GMT
5 - I've totally lost interest.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 31, 2021 2:15:41 GMT
7 The starting line-up wasn't bad- don't think Mikel should have started, but couldn't really argue with anything else. We were appalling in the first 20-25 minutes though, far too deep and passive. When we went down to 10 men I thought MON managed the game well- two banks of four, made us hard to break down. Brown for Fletcher was the correct sub, but we could have done with a bit of pace out wide as well to at least give us a chance of breaking out. However, we got a point from difficult circumstances, so 7/10 overall. He just stuck to the game plan. The sending off saved him. Not trying to win when you have 10 men is fine as this mental thread shows. 7 😂
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Post by femark on Jan 31, 2021 9:26:54 GMT
You occasionally have some good things to say but you have a real habit of counteracting them with absolutely idiotic comments Today was fucking awful. The first half was as bad a half of football we’ve produced since we got relegated. The sending off saved him really because it allowed the shite negative play he set up for to be tolerated. We started off shit, but were gradually getting into the game. We started pressing high up the pitch forcing mistakes and actually knocked the ball around quite well. The red card completely changed the game and there’s nothing O’Neill could have done about that.
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 31, 2021 10:42:14 GMT
7. And that's for his management of the second half.
OS.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 31, 2021 16:42:53 GMT
7 Can't blame him for red and felt at 1-1 we would win after a slow start. Comfortable enough and ref didnt fall for Campbell's expected thestrics Yes, I think I'd give him 7 for those reasons. We started horribly but just before the sending off I thought we looked the more likely side to get a second. Once we were down to 10 men I didn't think we had a hope in hell of holding on for a point - but we did - and that has to be worth a 7.
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Post by Miles Offside on Jan 31, 2021 19:05:25 GMT
4
It's another away point, but the lockdown is bad enough for invoking Groundhog Day without the need for Stoke's performances to rub it in.
241 passes (compared to 588 for them) 68% pass accuracy (compared to 86% for them) and one shot on target. Another hard watch.
Other than for one passage of play, where we kept the ball for 30-40 passes, it was the basics that let us down again.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 31, 2021 20:56:00 GMT
4 It's another away point, but the lockdown is bad enough for invoking Groundhog Day without the need for Stoke's performances to rub it in. 241 passes (compared to 588 for them) 68% pass accuracy (compared to 86% for them) and one shot on target. Another hard watch. Other than for one passage of play, where we kept the ball for 30-40 passes, it was the basics that let us down again. Groundhog Day is this Tuesday. Fortunately we’re not playing.
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Post by peterpan1 on Jan 31, 2021 21:08:06 GMT
A lot of comments about if we had Powell or Campbell we'd have probably won the game. If Fletcher plays for 90mins we win the game. This has not been the case and we haven't won now for a dozen games or so.
I do cut him some slack, but what about a plan B or plan C? He's known about the problems for almost two months now.
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Post by markby on Feb 1, 2021 1:17:08 GMT
This is poor but it is nowhere near as bad as the majority of performances under both Rowett and Jones What if we rated him with comparisons to some of our better managers of the past?You're just being ridiculous Er, comparisons with Rowett and Jones are valid since MO'N is basically forced to work with their players (plus the odd loan or free transfer of his own).
Whereas if he was able to acquire better players like some of those better managers of the past, you could rightly demand better football/results.
The real test will come next season, should he be allowed to sign his own choice of players in the summer (and finally ship out the rest of the duds he inherited).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2021 1:23:22 GMT
Today was fucking awful. The first half was as bad a half of football we’ve produced since we got relegated. The sending off saved him really because it allowed the shite negative play he set up for to be tolerated. We started off shit, but were gradually getting into the game. We started pressing high up the pitch forcing mistakes and actually knocked the ball around quite well. The red card completely changed the game and there’s nothing O’Neill could have done about that. I honestly don’t think it changed anything. We had one shot on target and that was the penalty. We were toothless before it and toothless after.
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 1, 2021 1:24:09 GMT
What if we rated him with comparisons to some of our better managers of the past?You're just being ridiculous Er, comparisons with Rowett and Jones are valid since MO'N is basically forced to work with their players (plus the odd loan or free transfer of his own). Whereas if he was able to acquire better players like some of those better managers of the past, you could rightly demand better football/results. The real test will come next season, should he be allowed to sign his own choice of players in the summer (and finally ship out the rest of the duds he inherited).
Oh that's cleared it up, thanks. So on a rate the manager in any particular match we rate him for the match then upgrade that rating because it's better than the previous 2 managers could do. I'll give him 3 for the match plus 2 for the Rowett/Jones factor.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2021 1:25:18 GMT
Er, comparisons with Rowett and Jones are valid since MO'N is basically forced to work with their players (plus the odd loan or free transfer of his own). Whereas if he was able to acquire better players like some of those better managers of the past, you could rightly demand better football/results. The real test will come next season, should he be allowed to sign his own choice of players in the summer (and finally ship out the rest of the duds he inherited).
Oh that's cleared it up, thanks. So on a rate the manager in any particular match we rate him for the match then upgrade that rating because it's better than the previous 2 managers could do. I'll give him 3 for the match plus 2 for the Rowett/Jones factor. Amazing isn’t it. Absolutely backward way of thinking.
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Feb 1, 2021 8:56:09 GMT
This message board makes me smile. The ratings for the manager from 0 to 10 on the Huddersfield game.
A bit like the players ratings, from the sublime to the ridiculous. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but for those who didn't watch the game, I wouldn't have a clue what the game was like having read the managers and players ratings.
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 1, 2021 8:59:26 GMT
This message board makes me smile. The ratings for the manager from 0 to 10 on the Huddersfield game. A bit like the players ratings, from the sublime to the ridiculous. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but for those who didn't watch the game, I wouldn't have a clue what the game was like having read the managers and players ratings. Unfortunately that's a result of the manager setting up not to win but coming out smelling of roses due unfortunate events.
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Post by markby on Feb 1, 2021 16:03:28 GMT
Er, comparisons with Rowett and Jones are valid since MO'N is basically forced to work with their players (plus the odd loan or free transfer of his own). Whereas if he was able to acquire better players like some of those better managers of the past, you could rightly demand better football/results. The real test will come next season, should he be allowed to sign his own choice of players in the summer (and finally ship out the rest of the duds he inherited).
Oh that's cleared it up, thanks. So on a rate the manager in any particular match we rate him for the match then upgrade that rating because it's better than the previous 2 managers could do. I'll give him 3 for the match plus 2 for the Rowett/Jones factor. 'lstokie' commented: "This is poor but it is nowhere near as bad as the majority of performances under both Rowett and Jones."
Which considering O'Neill is being forced to work with Rowett & Jones' (dud) signings, is surely valid.
Whereas to compare performances with teams under Pulis, Macari, Waddington etc doesn't hold up, since they were working with their own players, signed when Stoke were reasonably competitive in the transfer market.
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Post by markby on Feb 1, 2021 16:09:19 GMT
This message board makes me smile. The ratings for the manager from 0 to 10 on the Huddersfield game. A bit like the players ratings, from the sublime to the ridiculous. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but for those who didn't watch the game, I wouldn't have a clue what the game was like having read the managers and players ratings. There's certainly one thing I don't understand: if a manager gets 0/10 for a 10-man away draw to a half-decent, mid table opponent, what mark would you give him for eg a hiding by a crap team at home?
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Post by lstokie on Feb 1, 2021 16:51:17 GMT
This is poor but it is nowhere near as bad as the majority of performances under both Rowett and Jones What if we rated him with comparisons to some of our better managers of the past? You're just being ridiculous Jesus Paul, calm down. I only said the football wasn't as bad as has been with his last 2 predecessors, which is a fair point I thought. Edit - Reading back this was in response to the poster saying "This is so poor and the worst I’ve seen for so long". Personally I wouldn't say the football isn't as bad as it was under either Jones or Rowett. I never suggested a manager should only be judged on recent managers.
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