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Post by numpty40 on Jan 22, 2021 23:59:26 GMT
Watching tonight's game the commentary team were unsure whether we were playing 3, 4 or 5 at the back and were talking about Clarke and McClean playing as wing backs. It appeared to me that we were playing 4-3-3. Many on here talk about the best system being 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-2-1 I watched the Liverpool v Burnley game last night and Burnley played a straightforward 4-4-2, every player knew their job and where they were supposed to be. Have coaches over complicated a simple game?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2021 0:02:40 GMT
No
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 23, 2021 0:05:31 GMT
I think we can put to bed the idea that Powell can play centre forward. Not criticising him tonight but he's much better as a number 10 drifting in from deep. I just hope either Gregory or Fletcher get fit enough to start soon.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2021 0:06:32 GMT
I think we can put to bed the idea that Powell can play centre forward. Not criticising him tonight but he's much better as a number 10 drifting in from deep. I just hope either Gregory or Fletcher get fit enough to start soon. He was way better than anyone else that has played there this season bar Fletcher.
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Post by Praetorian on Jan 23, 2021 0:08:11 GMT
Watching tonight's game the commentary team were unsure whether we were playing 3, 4 or 5 at the back and were talking about Clarke and McClean playing as wing backs. It appeared to me that we were playing 4-3-3. Many on here talk about the best system being 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-2-1 I watched the Liverpool v Burnley game last night and Burnley played a straightforward 4-4-2, every player knew their job and where they were supposed to be. Have coaches over complicated a simple game? Load of shite that, we’ve lined up largely in 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2 mostly and the players have looked competent in both and shite in both. Depends on selection, luck and a multitude of other factors. Mainly we need to start converting our periods of dominance into goals, which the manager knows and has brought in several more options in attack. People getting worked up over a 2-1 loss to Watford are just silly.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 23, 2021 0:10:34 GMT
I the formation was meant to be 4-3-3, but it was a badly played 4-3-3!!! There was absolutely no one linking the midfield to Powell, meaning Powell had to do a lot of the work himself up front!!!
I think we need to either go back to the 4-2-3-1 with Powell being the link between the midfield and the frontman, or go to a straight 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1 if ya like)!!!
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 23, 2021 0:12:44 GMT
I think we can put to bed the idea that Powell can play centre forward. Not criticising him tonight but he's much better as a number 10 drifting in from deep. I just hope either Gregory or Fletcher get fit enough to start soon. He was way better than anyone else that has played there this season bar Fletcher. Maybe but we had no creativity at all behind him. Lots of neat passing and possession but how many times did we have them worried? He's good in the air but not when he's the main striker marked by a well drilled defence.
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Post by datguy on Jan 23, 2021 0:14:14 GMT
I think we can put to bed the idea that Powell can play centre forward. Not criticising him tonight but he's much better as a number 10 drifting in from deep. I just hope either Gregory or Fletcher get fit enough to start soon. He was way better than anyone else that has played there this season bar Fletcher. I'm not sure whether it was because Watford's CB pairing were weak as pish in the air or what, but he looked like a presence up top didn't he? Thankfully it looks like Fletcher is fit soon, but I'd play Powell there over any of the others. It's just a shame we don't have any other creative presence beyond Powell.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2021 0:35:40 GMT
He was way better than anyone else that has played there this season bar Fletcher. Maybe but we had no creativity at all behind him. Lots of neat passing and possession but how many times did we have them worried? He's good in the air but not when he's the main striker marked by a well drilled defence. I agree with that and he is best as a 10. But it didn’t put anything to bed re him playing up front. He led the line well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 0:38:27 GMT
Watching tonight's game the commentary team were unsure whether we were playing 3, 4 or 5 at the back and were talking about Clarke and McClean playing as wing backs. It appeared to me that we were playing 4-3-3. Many on here talk about the best system being 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-2-1 I watched the Liverpool v Burnley game last night and Burnley played a straightforward 4-4-2, every player knew their job and where they were supposed to be. Have coaches over complicated a simple game? Load of shite that, we’ve lined up largely in 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2 mostly and the players have looked competent in both and shite in both. Depends on selection, luck and a multitude of other factors. Mainly we need to start converting our periods of dominance into goals, which the manager knows and has brought in several more options in attack. People getting worked up over a 2-1 loss to Watford are just silly. Have you forgotten about the previous 11 games?
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 23, 2021 0:42:55 GMT
Maybe but we had no creativity at all behind him. Lots of neat passing and possession but how many times did we have them worried? He's good in the air but not when he's the main striker marked by a well drilled defence. I agree with that and he is best as a 10. But it didn’t put anything to bed re him playing up front. He led the line well. I never said he didn't and I thought yet again he was our best player but I want to see him creating rather than leading the line that is why I said we could put it to bed. I'd much rather have Fletcher, Gregory or even Brown worrying centre halves and Powell drifting around behind them. Taking your most creative player out of midfield just creates new problems. Until we put Fletcher on standing on the shoulder of the last man (yes he was offside twice but it worries defenders) and let Powell drop deeper we didn't look like scoring.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 23, 2021 0:43:36 GMT
Looked like 4-1-4-1 to me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2021 0:45:21 GMT
I agree with that and he is best as a 10. But it didn’t put anything to bed re him playing up front. He led the line well. I never said he didn't and I thought yet again he was our best player but I want to see him creating rather than leading the line that is why I said we could put it to bed. I'd much rather have Fletcher, Gregory or even Brown worrying centre halves and Powell drifting around behind them. Taking your most creative player out of midfield just creates new problems. Until we put Fletcher on standing on the shoulder of the last man (yes he was offside twice but it worries defenders) and let Powell drop deeper we didn't look like scoring. I would too but I’d rather he was up front than Gregory and Brown. Neither are good enough to convert anything that’s created.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 23, 2021 0:53:00 GMT
I never said he didn't and I thought yet again he was our best player but I want to see him creating rather than leading the line that is why I said we could put it to bed. I'd much rather have Fletcher, Gregory or even Brown worrying centre halves and Powell drifting around behind them. Taking your most creative player out of midfield just creates new problems. Until we put Fletcher on standing on the shoulder of the last man (yes he was offside twice but it worries defenders) and let Powell drop deeper we didn't look like scoring. I would too but I’d rather he was up front than Gregory and Brown. Neither are good enough to convert anything that’s created. But then who would you play behind him? If anything Gregory proved last season that he may not be the best striker but he has a happy knack of being in the right place to score goals and he works hard to pressurise defenders into mistakes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2021 0:55:21 GMT
I would too but I’d rather he was up front than Gregory and Brown. Neither are good enough to convert anything that’s created. But then who would you play behind him? If anything Gregory proved last season that he may not be the best striker but he has a happy knack of being in the right place to score goals and he works hard to pressurise defenders into mistakes. Gregory is atrocious in front of goal. He scored 6 in 40 games and I bet 2 of those were penos at least. Clarke looks more like a number 10 than a winger to me. And I like TOB. I think him and Powell would link up well.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 23, 2021 1:07:16 GMT
But then who would you play behind him? If anything Gregory proved last season that he may not be the best striker but he has a happy knack of being in the right place to score goals and he works hard to pressurise defenders into mistakes. Gregory is atrocious in front of goal. He scored 6 in 40 games and I bet 2 of those were penos at least. Clarke looks more like a number 10 than a winger to me. And I like TOB. I think him and Powell would link up well. He scored some of the most important goals for us at the end of the season. Not prolific and misses more than his fair share I will admit but I think he is a better replacement for Powell the striker than any player we've got to replace Powell the creator. You may be right about Clarke or Oakley Booth but as far as I am aware Clarke has never played as, a number 10 and Oakley Booth seems to be totally out of the picture at the moment. I actually liked him when he played so I'm not condemning him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2021 1:09:51 GMT
Gregory is atrocious in front of goal. He scored 6 in 40 games and I bet 2 of those were penos at least. Clarke looks more like a number 10 than a winger to me. And I like TOB. I think him and Powell would link up well. He scored some of the most important goals for us at the end of the season. Not prolific and misses more than his fair share I will admit but I think he is a better replacement for Powell the striker than any player we've got to replace Powell the creator. You may be right about Clarke or Oakley Booth but as far as I am aware Clarke has never played as, a number 10 and Oakley Booth seems to be totally out of the picture at the moment. I actually liked him when he played so I'm not condemning him. He scored 1 in 6.6 games. That’s appalling. Lee Gregory is a woeful goalscorer. He holds the ball up ok and I can live with that but he’s shocking in front of goal.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 23, 2021 8:20:54 GMT
Watching tonight's game the commentary team were unsure whether we were playing 3, 4 or 5 at the back and were talking about Clarke and McClean playing as wing backs. It appeared to me that we were playing 4-3-3. Many on here talk about the best system being 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-2-1 I watched the Liverpool v Burnley game last night and Burnley played a straightforward 4-4-2, every player knew their job and where they were supposed to be. Have coaches over complicated a simple game? No. It’s never been a simple game, and every formation requires the players to ‘know what their job is and where they’re supposed to be’. Any formation can work if you have the players to make it work. You need to use one that gets the best out of our best players. Players do win you games but you need to create the circumstances for them to flourish.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 8:52:05 GMT
Some people, especially commentators, are just too over obsessed with defining the system. In so many way the numbers are just numbers. For the system to work it requires a certain amount of flexibility within it. So if you're at the formation when the games starts it might look like it's specific, but depending on a fair few factors, it might look like a very different one five minutes later. Some players have to adjust themselves to the system that the opposition olays, for instance. Then obviously if you're 3 down after 10 minutes changes are required. If you're 3 up after 10 minutes, it might allow for some relaxation (but be careful not to go into yoga mode). If you play a young player still finding his feet or a recently converted player they will interpret a role very differently from a specialist who may have played it day in day out for 10 years. But you do need to have a starting point which is what was on the blackboard in the dressing room minutes before the game, and also what's on the papers that assistants show to oncoming subs just before they come on.
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Post by Miles Offside on Jan 23, 2021 16:39:51 GMT
Watching tonight's game the commentary team were unsure whether we were playing 3, 4 or 5 at the back and were talking about Clarke and McClean playing as wing backs. It appeared to me that we were playing 4-3-3. Many on here talk about the best system being 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-2-1 I watched the Liverpool v Burnley game last night and Burnley played a straightforward 4-4-2, every player knew their job and where they were supposed to be. Have coaches over complicated a simple game? Yes. Top players can fit into pretty much any flexible system and make it work. We haven't got top players. A 4-4-2, with Powell just tucked behind the main striker is easily the best system for us.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 23, 2021 17:28:18 GMT
Watching tonight's game the commentary team were unsure whether we were playing 3, 4 or 5 at the back and were talking about Clarke and McClean playing as wing backs. It appeared to me that we were playing 4-3-3. Many on here talk about the best system being 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-2-1 I watched the Liverpool v Burnley game last night and Burnley played a straightforward 4-4-2, every player knew their job and where they were supposed to be. Have coaches over complicated a simple game? The confusion was down to lazy badly prepared and not very observant commentators.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 23, 2021 17:31:16 GMT
Watching tonight's game the commentary team were unsure whether we were playing 3, 4 or 5 at the back and were talking about Clarke and McClean playing as wing backs. It appeared to me that we were playing 4-3-3. Many on here talk about the best system being 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-2-1 I watched the Liverpool v Burnley game last night and Burnley played a straightforward 4-4-2, every player knew their job and where they were supposed to be. Have coaches over complicated a simple game? Yes. Top players can fit into pretty much any flexible system and make it work. We haven't got top players. A 4-4-2, with Powell just tucked behind the main striker is easily the best system for us. Top players still have favoured positions in which they’re more effective than they are in others and some formations don’t suit certain players though. Even at the highest level.
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